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Mattress for two kinds of sleepers
My partner and I need to get a new mattress but we have very
different tastes in mattress comfort. He loves pillow tops;
the softer the better. I absolutely can't sleep on them and
have massive back pain when I try - preferring quite firm
mattresses. I also have a lot of insomnia and have heard
fantastic things about the European Sleepworks mattresses
but am unsure if they're worth the money or if he could
handle them. Has anyone else dealt with this? Whats the
answer? Sleep number beds? I'm not convinced they'd be
great for either of us, but is there any other option?
Anyone make a mattress pad that's pillow top on one side and
nothing on the other? trying to make this relationship
I was skeptical of the sleep number beds too, but I've had
one for a year and I couldn't be happier. The topper part
is something you'd have to agree on, but the relative
softness or hardness of the mattress is each person's call.
And you can adjust it as often as you like, too - I spent
nearly a year on a rock-hard setting but recently softened
it up a bit after resolving chronic back pain. Sleepy
I've been bed hunting for several months and have decided to
purchase one from European Sleep Works because: they are
natural and very comfortable, they have models where you can
have different levels of softness/hardness on each side,
prices are VERY reasonable when compared to other natural
beds and are competitive with traditional Sealy, Simmons
etc. Remember that you can always purchase a separate
pillow top from any place if you need it. My husband is 6'1
and I am 5'3 and our sleep needs are very different which is
why we went with ESW. I strongly recommend checking out
ESW. Good luck, I know how frustrating this hunt can be.
Best mattresses & where to buy them
We are planning on buying a king-sized bed and I'm getting
lost in a sea of research. We've both had back issues and so
we're considering foam. But there are 2 things holding us
back: 1) We don't want to spend more than 2K on the
mattress. 2) My husband is a hot sleeper already and I worry
that it would sleep too hot.
So, if you have a foam bed and you love it, what brand/type
is it, how much did you pay, and where did you buy it?
If you have foam and you don't like it, why and what
brand/type is it?
I've heard gel foam is cooler--is that true?
If you have back problems and have a great bed (foam or not)
that you love, what type is it,how much did you pay, and
where did you buy it?
Thanks in advance!
I bought my queen-size mattress from Famous Foam Factory on
San Pablo Ave in Berkeley 9 years ago and I love it. I'm a
hot sleeper too and I find it very comfortable, it does not
make me warm. I had a regular mattress before and hated it,
it was so uncomfortable. Sorry, I don't have the brand
name. And my son has a twin size memory foam mattress,
bought from Overstock.com about 4 years ago, delivered
folded over in a big box. It's also really comfortable and
is now a mantra in our home - mmmm, memory foam. Joanie
This isn't for everyone, and I was skeptical before I got
one, but you might look at sleep number beds. I've had mine
for about 9 months now, and my back feels great - and I
trust it will continue to, because this mattress won't sag
the way the others do (eventually). I just got an ad in the
mail where I noticed they have options for heat regulation
(either bed-wide or per-side) in addition to variable
firmness. The beds are not cheap, but it could address the
temperature problems and potentially back issues. Check it
I have a life long back issue with previous disc and
neurological problems. For years I slept on a high end
McCroskey bed and was always having the mattress and base
tensions adjusted. Then my husband bought me a European
Sleepworks slat bed (on Shattuck at Ashby) and, although not
'cured' which is not possible for me I mostly get up from
bed pain free now. You do have to have the slats adjusted
for you when you buy it. I have had this bed for going on 15
years now and it is still great . Also temperature is really
steady. I have occasionally slept on memory foam mattresses
on vacation and find it really difficult to move around
without pain and stiffness plus they are warm. I think this
works for me because the slats are adjusted to accommodate
my back deformity but that is the beauty of it that it is
adjustable for the individual. My husband sleep son the
other side and has his own adjustment. It has also survived
4 kids and currently a large energetic dog who sneaks in at
every opportunity. Love my bed
We went with a sleep number bed from Select Comfort. This
was in 2007 and the bed is still great. I have a horrible
time sleeping in hotels because I'm so used to my comfy bed
at home. It was $1600 for our King back in 2007, purchased
from a Select Comfort shop at Tanforan south of SF. I don't
know if that store is still there. It is essentially a
really expensive air mattress, but it works perfectly for me
and for my husband. happy sleep number owner
I like a firm bed, my husband likes it soft. Last year
bought the cheapest foam bed at Costco, I think it is a gel
one. It was around $500 for the queen, a month later they
had a 4150 rebate on it, which they honored (they do if it's
within 2 months of purchase), so we only paid $350 in the
end. You need a platform bed for these mattresses, and I got
a nice solid wood one from Craigslist for $250, so $600
Best $600 I ever spent. The reviews for the mattress were
between people loving it or saying it was to hard. That made
me feel better because my back kills me on a soft mattress.
My sister has one of the high end ones and I sink deep into
it when I lie on it- feels nice at first, but I know it
would hurt over time. The mattress is pretty firm - to firm
for my husband- but we had a cheap thin 2 inch memory foam
topper from our old bed we put on it, and now it is perfect.
Just enough softness to make my husband happy, and not
enough to hurt my back.
The firmness is temperature dependent, so int is more firm
when it is cold, and less when it is hot. This is true of
all of them.
It does sleep a little hotter than a regular mattress, but
it's not crazy hot, and you can regulate that with more or
less blankets. Someone recommended putting a cotton mattress
cover over it to stop that if it's a problem. But I don't
mind it even though I am at that age where I 'run a little
- love my bed
I can highly recommend the beautiful and wonderful mattress
I got at European Sleepworks in Berkeley. I think I've had
it for 7-8 years, and it still is in perfect shape. It is
one of the best luxury items I've spent money on, and I have
few things I will splurge on. I am so glad that I decided
to invest in such a wonderful mattress. It's great for my
back, I think I improved immensely once I replaced my old
mattress. Plus, the whole sales and service process was so
much easier than your typical mattress store. We definitely
plan to get another European Sleepworks mattress when the
time comes. K M
Mattress solution for couple w/diff needs
Hi - my husband needs an EXTRA hard mattress for his back. I
do not; I prefer mine in-between. We need a solution, so
that we can continue to share a bed! Do they make queen/king
size mattresses with dual-hardness - or should we get 2
twins on a king frame? I have not been mattress shopping
for some time.. wondering if any good recommendations out
I bought my fabulous mattress in 2004 at European SleepWorks
and still love it, and my husband does, as well. It was
pretty humorous how fast his brand new mattress (when we
first met) from a regular mattress store got an indentation
in it - in just 3 months. We plan to only buy mattresses at
European SleepWorks because our mattress still feels as
fabulous as when I first bought it. What was great about it
is that you can have different softness-hardness levels on
each side. In fact, they told me at the time that if I had
a partner come along some years later who preferred a more
firm mattress, I could easily change out the padding on the
inside of the mattress. It unzips and you can see the
inside. And take out the current padding and put in firmer,
or softer, padding. At the time I did not have much money,
yet it was definitely worth the investment to get a
wonderful mattress. Service was also excellent. K M
If you aren't on the tightest budget, I would highly
recommend an all-latex bed from the Natural Mattress Store.
We purchased ours in Walnut Creek, however they have several
locations. You can customize them to have one side of the
bed firm and the other extra soft. I'm unsure how the center
of the bed would feel, but you can try them out in store and
see if it works for you. We came to agreement on a soft bed,
however I'm beginning to think I would prefer extra soft for
side sleeping. If we need to make a change, they can do that
for $100! Amazing, really. They simply change out the
firmness/layers and types of latex. My husband thought he
would want firm, but realized that latex mattresses feel
different than spring mattresses, and soft works like a
dream for him. We love our bed; latex is an anti-mite,
natural material and lasts upwards of 15 years. Worth every
penny! This is what happens when a pregnant woman walks
into a mattress store
We bought our mattress at European Sleep Works in Berkeley
(http://www.sleepworks.com/mattresses). They have split
mattresses; you can make one side softer than the other. Not
all split combinations are available (I think there were
four different kinds, but you could only match up certain
combinations). They will split queen and king beds, but not
If you had told me we would spend $2500 on a mattress
(including taxes and delivery), I would have thought you
were crazy. In the end, both my husband and I comment over
and over again that it was the best purchase we ever made
because we 'have the best bed in the world' and you do spent
a lot of time in your bed. We've never slept in a better
bed, even in fancy hotels and when we slept on our friend's
We were originally comfortable spending up to $800 on a
mattress, and we looked everywhere-- Macy's and Macy's
outlet in Union City, Nordstrom (they only have one bed, but
it's nice), Ikea, and normal furniture stores--and we
couldn't find a mattress we could both agree on. I wanted a
squishy one and my husband wanted a firm one. On a whim, we
decided to stop into European Sleep Works and tested all of
their mattresses. Honestly, they were a little snobby about
us because we clearly weren't their traditional buyers, so
they ignored us until we made our final decision (we
actually came back a week later once we decided it was worth
In the end, we decided not to split the mattress because
even the softest one still had enough support for him
because of how the 'ribs' work. It's a relatively soft
mattress, but it isn't squishy.
Good things to know: 1. they have a limited number of
options, 2. according to the salesperson, they never have
sales; the prices are what they are (I liked this, because
big stores have these 50% off sales most of the year, which
makes me think they aren't pricing fairly), 3. we decided it
was worth it to buy the $100 mattress cover (it's elastic
and so it doesn't affect how the mattress works) and we're
glad we did it (it has worn incredibly well despite
washings), 4. our mattress is now four years old and doesn't
show any wear and tear at all. Happy we spent the money
I love my sleep number bed from Select Comfort. My husband
can set his mattress extra firm, mine is on the soft side.
It is one bed (we have a Cal King) with two separate air
chambers, allowing for separate firmness. Check it out!
Keetsa mattresses v Euro Sleepwors v Ikea?
Alas, the back is telling me it's time for a new mattress. I
was a responder to previous queries about European
Sleepworks because we do have one of their mattresses which
is lovely. But we're not as flush as we once were and not
sure can afford to get another. Keetsa seems to be a lower
priced alternative - anyone tried them? And Ikea? Seems like
their prices are also lower but are they full of toxic
chemicals? I hate these kinds of decisions because laying on
a mattress for 2 minutes in a store really isn't a good
indication of a night's sleep! Achy back in the morning
We were in the same situation- our backs were killing us but we didn't have the
funds to spend 2000 or more on a mattress. We went to ikea and bought their
90% natural latex mattress...think it is called the ERFJORD. It is pure heaven to
sleep on and only set us back around 900 I think. They recently re-did their
mattress line, so the new one will have a fully removable cover, which is great,
but I think the price point will still be about the same. We love it and think it is
one of the best purchases we've ever made. Good luck!
Love my ''cheap'' Ikea latex mattress
We bought a Keetsa mattress a few months ago and we've been really happy
with it. It is VERY comfortable. I felt satisfied with the info I read about Keetsa in
terms of materials and sustainability, etc. I believe they had a third party
assessment that said that the mattress doesn't have any toxic VOC's. That was
good enough for me, especially because some of the other brands out there
were WAY out of our price range.
Getting Some Sleep!
We've had a Keetsa Tea Leaf Supreme for the last 5 years or
so and LOVE it. For reference we are firm mattress folks,
one back-sleeper and one side-sleeper. It's so comfortable,
and it's held up really well, too. And I like that when one
person moves around it doesn't jostle the other one - very
important when you have different sleep schedules or a
tossy-turny pregnant person! It was more money than I'd
ever spent on a mattress, but worth every penny. Last year
we got Ikea Sultan Huglo mattresses for the kids (springs
with foam around them) and I really wish we'd sprung (no pun
intended) for Keetsas for them, too - the Ikea mattresses
seemed good in the store, but they feel really lumpy and
pokey now after a bit of use.
We got a Keetsa and we absolutely love it. No regrets at
Tempur Pedic mattress too hot
I have been sleeping on a Tempur Pedic mattress for a few years now, and the
comfort has been great. My one complaint is that I wake up in the middle of the
night feeling way too warm. I sleep with minimal blankets (just a sheet), minimal
PJ's (tank top and shorts), and keep the room at the lowest possible temperature
comfortable for my husband (60). Nothing seems to help. At first I thought it
was hormones, but whenever I sleep somewhere with a regular mattress, I do not
feel so hot. I have an extra mattress pad on the bed- that has not helped. Any
hot at night, but not in a good way
Try a natural latex or wool topper. (they sell a reasonably priced latex one
at ikea). We switched to latex for allergy reasons , and were pleasantly
surprised that we stayed cool and comfy.
I had the same problem. The solution is completely
counter-intuitive, but it works for me every time. Wear
something the fully covers your body from the neck down,
except your hands, and that will keep you from getting hot.
I wear thin cotton or flannel pajama pants tucked into socks
and a long sleeved shirt to bed, even when it's warm. This
additional barrier between your body and the mattress sheet
makes all the difference. I tried putting a
sheet/towel/blanket between the mattress and the fitted
sheet and I still got hot.
When I want to sleep in regular pajamas or want to have my
legs or feet free, I sleep in our guest bed as a treat.
BTW, my husband has never had a problem with the mattress.
I am about to buy a king-size mattress and am looking for some recommendations
for a mattress that doesn't sag too quickly. I have heard that European Sleep
Works has good mattresses, and am wondering if they are worth the hefty price,
and if you can just buy the mattress or need the whole system. Also curious
about the foam/memory mattresses. Do Pillow tops last? Any recs would be
We purchased a European Sleepworks king mattress in 2004 and
love it! It's firm, adjustable, and because of the two slat
system (one for each side), my husband and I never disturb each
other as we get in and out of our sides of the bed. It took a
week to get used to the bed but it's been great since then. We
are even considering buying one for our son. It's cheaper than
Duxiana but I feel just as good. We won't be turning back. As
for the pillows, we have never tried them but are considering
it as we are happy with the bed.
In my experience with mattresses, you get what you paid for. We shelled out the extra
$$ for a McCroskey mattress (handmade in SF - yes a locally owned, family business).
It is the most comfortable bed I have ever slept on in my entire life. They come with a
10-year warranty and are expected to last 20+ years. They do recommend the box
spring, which we bought, so I can't tell you how they are without the box spring. We
were initially looking at the McCroskey for our daughter because they are supposedly
not full of nasty chemicals. While testing beds for her, I realized I wasn't going to
well until I had one for myself. Check them out at
http://www.mcroskey.com/index.shtml or better yet, go try one in person.
I have read a lot about the advantages to sleeping on a foam
mattress. The main reason I finally did buy one was to fit the
modern bed frame that I found. The king size mattress came to my
house via UPS and was easy to get up the stairs. It came rolled
up and expands after opening. I found the innerspace brand
mattress at www.sleepmodern.com
I have been very
happy with it. They have memory foam and non memory foam
mattresses. The memory foam is more expensive of course. They
have a 30 day money back guarantee which is nice, and the
mattress ships directly to your house. I would imagine non memory
foam would be just fine for the kids.
Have you bought a king-size mattress in the past 6 months that you
love?? We have a medium-firm mattress we bought 7 years ago and
never felt comfortable. After sleeping on firm hotel mattresses on
vacation, I think that's what we need. But still cushy, maybe with
a pillow-top? What brand? What store? Any good deals at Costco
that are GOOD mattresses? Consumer Reports is too vague. Help!
A-Tossin' And A-Turnin' All Night...
We recently bought a ''Tea Leaf Supreme'' king-sized mattress from Keetsa
and we love it. It's foam (supposedly fairly eco-friendly foam, though not
the very greenest option out there), so very firm yet soft. I don't toss
and turn on it like I did on our previous spring-coil mattress. Plus it
comes packed in a relatively small (but heavy) box and you get to watch it
expand after you unpack it!
We have been shopping for a new mattress since March this year. My husband
is the type of person who researches and thinks about bigger purchases much
and often and for a long time. Before having made the final decision we
have probably been to six different mattress stores to ''test sleep''
(chains and individual stores). In the end we were torn between ''The
Natural Mattress store'' in San Rafael and Berkeley's ''European Sleep
Works''. Both offer high-end mattresses - this is high-end in quality as
well as in price;-).
However, after having come back to the Berkeley store a second and third
time, we were totally convinced and made a fabulous decision. The calm and
very knowledgeable Sara Ridgway @ European Sleep Works was extremely
helpful with finding out what mattress works best for us, our body shapes
and weight (did not find a consultation that came close to this anywhere
else!). My husband and I both like to sleep medium firm and we always loved
sleeping in hotels with high quality mattresses (the ones you never want to
We ended up buying a King Nordic 2 mattress (9'') with two layers of
high-grade German coil and natural latex foam, breathable wood-lined cotton
cover and a medium firmness that makes me believe I am in heaven! Let me
tell you: This mattress has changed our lives and is worth every single
penny ... go and check it out yourself. But be prepared that it's not one
of the most inexpensive ones.
My husband and I are in the market for a new mattress. We need
something that is comfortable and supportive for our aging
bodies--we both wake up too many mornings with joints aching.
I'd also prefer something not laden with chemicals, as I tend to
be very sensitive to that stuff, plus we'd like something more
earth friendly. And to top it all off, we'd really like to keep
the cost reasonable so we don't lie in our new bed awake
wondering how to pay for it. Anyone out there found the perfect
Needs Good Sleep
I love my Tempurpedic mattress. We both love it. Its like the
perfect combination between firm and pillowy soft. And no more
aching joints! When you first get it, it takes a few days to
get used to, but then after that, it is bliss. Every night when
I go to bed I say a little prayer of thanks for my amazing
mattress. I've had it for a few years no and there is no
indentation, no worn in spots. Its just as comfy now as it was
3 years ago. I know people who have had them for longer and
they say the same thing.
I love opportunities to talk about how getting my bed changed
my life. As someone with spinal fusions, I will always have
issues. But my bed was making me so stiff in the mornings that
I felt much older than I am. We got ours from European
Sleepworks in Berkeley. Very natural/organic. That wasn't so
important to me, what really helped for us was that they set
the two sides of the bed separately. I'm a side sleeper, my
husband a back sleeper. We weren't going to find a mattress
that we both liked. It wasn't nearly as expensive as some
other companies, but worth every penny!
happy with my bed
I love my mattress! It's a Simmons Beautyrest - it has a
pillowtop, so you don't ever flip it. We've had it for 7
years. This is the first mattress I've ever had that didn't
develop sagging or indentations or a ridge down the center,
even after 7 years. And we're not exactly tiny little people
either - close to 400 pounds on that mattress every night! I
didn't think I wanted a pillowtop when we bought it and for the
first 3 days it seemed too puffy, but it has turned out to be
great, still very comfortable.
Well, I like my mattress - love is pretty strong.
It is a Lifekind organic mattress
I actually wrote a review of our LifeKind mattress on my blog
I wrote it a few months ago, but everything is still the save
Go to European Sleepworks in Berkeley and try out all their
beds. Even if you order a model and do not like it after trying
it out at home for a month, they will swap for another one.
(Our first one was too firm and we settled on the medium firm.)
Knowledgeable staff. For some years now we have been very
happy. I also like their wool pellet pillows that you can make
fatter or thinner at will. Their oxygen pillows were too firm
for my neck but they also come in different thicknesses.
Your title caught my eye. I really love my mattress! There is
no question in my mind that when it wears out, or if it is lost
in some way, I will immediately by the same again. A good
friend felt the same; when her 7-year relationship broke up and
he got the mattress, she marched out and got her own post
haste. It meets your no chemicals requirement, not sure if it
meets your affordable requirement, but we've had ours 7 or 8
years and still love it in a very active way. It is a European
Sleepworks mattress. It is the most comfortable thing I've ever
slept on, and when I'm travelling I miss it. One thing I love
about it is that I can comfortably lie on my back on it,
despite my generous derriere. Check them out!
My husband and I cannot say enough about how much we LOVE our
European Sleepworks Mattress. It was expensive, but honestly
the best money spent. The differences between it and a
''standard'' mattress are pronounced. We are getting some
painting done, and had to sleep on our guest room mattress for
one night and could not believe the difference: we woke up sore
and not as well rested.
I ''heart'' my mattress
I do love my mattress- after years of suffering from an aching
back in the morning, now i wake up feeling great. It's from
European Sleep works in Berkeley-not the cheapest, but totally
I use a foam mattress and love it. I bought it at the foam
shop on San Pablo below Dwight Way, I think it's called Famous
Foam Factory. I had used a Serta or Sealy mattress before
going to foam and was never comfortable. The foam mattress
really works for me.
yes - a 6 inch organic cotton futon with a 4 inch wool topper.
Firm base with a soft topper. Call the good folks at Soaring
Heart futon http://www.soaringheart.com/ and you will learn a
lot from helpful, low key, nonpushy folks.
Note, you'll need a Rx for a chemical free mattress.
We love our mattress from European Sleepworks on Adeline @
Ashby. It has been worth every penny. We paid $1400 four
years ago for the queen mattress only, skipped the slat system
frame and got an inexpensive slat frame from a futon shop near
Solano and San Pablo. The mattress is still in great shape
(it's just dealt with my largish pregnant self and held up
well). It's heavy so a pain to move. I'm sensitive to
chemicals as well, yet for that it never caused a problem. We
have occasionally spent nights at some high-end hotels around
the country and our mattress is still better than any we've
slept on when traveling.
YES - we love our mattress! About 6 or 7 years ago we bought a
Sleep Comfort mattress - the one advertised on TV by Lindsay
Wagner - the one with ''sleep numbers.'' It is essentially a
good air matress with two chambers - one for each side of the
bed. Each has its own control. We bought the cheapest version
- it doesn't display our ''sleep number'' - we just can feel if
it is right. My husband had back surgery as a teen and really
needs a comfortable mattress - this is it! In theory it will
never wear out because it is air! We did call them to get
another piece of foam which runs down the middle of the bed -
it made the mattress more stable. You can get one on-line I
think or at the store in the Broadway Plaza in Walnut Creek.
Getting great sleep
I have slept on a water bed for 30 years and is the only kind
of mattress that works for my back and experience pain when I
sleep on anything else. They do take a little getting used to
in the beginning (especially the ''full wave ones), but are
sooooo worth it and they are considerably less expensive. They
make them so that you hardly feel the movement and even the
full wave ones can be made as firm or soft as you like and you
don't have to worry about the chemicals and such that
traditional mattresses are made of. How much more natural can
you get than to sleep on water?! (no you don't get seasick)
They support and conform to your body in any position and one
of the best parts (for me) is that they are heated! (also
adjustable). Imagine crawling into a cozy WARM bed and being
rocked to sleep every night knowing that wherever you move it
will be warm. My guests love it and I still giggle with delight
almost every night even after all these years. (I'm 60) I know
most people probably don't think of a water beds anymore, but the're
still out there. The only place I know of the the East Bay is
Odds & Ends Water Beds 12491 San Pable Ave. Richmond. 510 233
9097. Food for thought. Happy hunting.
I too love my mattress from European Sleepworks, however with one caveat. We
also bought their slat system, which I HATE. Each of the set of slats is in a
frame and down the middle of the bed where our frames meet there is a ridge.
Not only that, I can feel zero difference no matter the position of the slats.
I definitely fall into the Princess and the Pea category, but my
recommendation is to go with your own base for the bed and splurge on the
I am looking for a new mattress. Does anyone of any suggestions for a
good mattress for someone with lowerback problems. If you know how
much it costs and a good place to purchase that would be great, too.
I absolutely love my McRoskey bed; check out www.mcroskey.com. My
chiropractor highly recommended it years ago for my back and I've had NO
problems since. McRoskey is a local company with a showroom on Market
in SF. I just looked at the prices on their website and ó yeow! -- theyíve
gotten a lot more expensive than when I bought mine 10 years ago; a queen
size mattress and box spring, with a 10-year warranty, now costs $3700.
I also have a guest bed that everyone who sleeps on it adores. Itís a
Ther-A-Pedic Medi-Coil 660 Series. In 2002, I bought it fairly new off
Craigslist for $200 and itís turned out to be a great deal. I have lots of
(paying) guests and everyone always mentions how wonderful the bed is.
couples have remarked that, for the first time, they don't even notice
their partners turn over. Sweet dreams!
In the Nov 18 Sunday New York Times magazine, there was a really
article whether mattresses and other sleep aids actually improve sleep.
article didn't address the issue of bad back, but there was a lot of
information about all the different kinds of mattresses, how they are
marketed, and how much of it is actually based in any real science (not
much). Apparently, the idea that a hard mattress is best isn't based on
anything. It's on the NYT website -
my chiropractor recommended European Sleepworks'' they are pricey but
my husband convinced me to stop at sleep train on our way into the city to buy a
mattress at mckroskey. i have a bad back and was determined that the airflex would be
the answer to all of my back issues. we left sleep train having purchased a sleep
number bed. (we bought one of the lower end models where the remotes are attached with
a cord and without their fancy memory foam, we bought a 'healthier' and cheaper foam
layer somewhere else.) (and sleep train is does show up that day to deliver your new
mattress and take away your old bed. that was beautiful. we didn't have the new sheets
we are a walking advertisement for the sleep number bed: i am a 35 and my husband is a
90. we have been sleeping on this bed for two and a half years and we never wake up
with aches and pains. and we spent half as much as a mckroskey costs.
and - the top of the mattress zips off. so when child gets sick and has an accident
through that 'waterproof' mattress pad you invested in to protect your nice new
expensive mattress - you can zip off the top of the mattress and wash it.
Wanted to see if anyone knows the legalities pertaining to
this. It almost takes more energy to tell than it's worth,
but... I bought a mattress 4 years ago that has ''20-year-
warranty'' sewn into it with a little chiropractor symbol. The
dip became so bad my back is hurting in the morning. I've
tested it, slept on my mom's guest bed and had zero pain. When
I stuff a huge couch pillow under the mattress, pain goes away.
The mattress co's inspector came out, found there was a
problem, the co. sent me a form letter saying ''we heard there
could be a problem'', then assigned their local sales guy to me.
The problem is the original retail store went out of business 2
years ago. The sales guy said the factory couldn't deliver from
factory to my door, that it had to go through the retailer. In
my case, another local retailer would supposedly have to, out
of the goodness of their heart, agree to let me drop off and
pick up my mattress from their store. He said he called around
and nobody would do this. Surprise. Followed by, ''if your back
is hurting you probably didn't shop carefully and got the wrong
mattress'' and ''our backs change as we get older,'' both my
fault. I did shop well, he has no idea how old I am, and the
dip in the thing is causing the pain. I tried to deal with the
factory directly but they pushed me back off on the sales guy,
so I've stopped communicating.
I feel that the factory/employer of sales guys, is responsible,
the factory warranty should be good even if the retail store is
out of business, and that they can easily swing their truck by
my house on one of their frequent trips here. Or give me
16/20ths of today's cost of that mattress. Does anybody out
there know if my rationale is logical, what laws apply, and
what I can specifically say to them that they will listen to?
Secondarily, is it right to take the mattress away, rip it
apart and replace the insides, sew it back up, and give me the
same one back? Is that what they do? Any help is appreciated.
Sleepless in Albany
you need to take the company to small claims court.
I don't know if this will help you, but here's what I would do.
If you have a documented warranty and they will not honor it,
call 7 On Your Side (Channel 7, KGO) I had a problem with an
agency once and after going around in circles and getting
nowhere I called KGO one morning....by 4:00 that afternoon a
supervisor from the agency called me, apologized, and said the
problem would be taken care of within 2 days and would never
occur again. It's amazing how a little fear of bad PR can move
I'm so old I remember good customer service
small claims court?
local news consumer affairs? (eg michael finney)
i haven't tried these things, but they're worth a shot.
I have had the worst luck in trying to find a comfortable bed.
I know I need good support and I like a firm bed. I tend to
sleep mostly on my stomach and sometimes on my side. Right now
I have a very good quality (expensive) king bed that I have had
for 2 1/2 years and it is rare that I get a good nights
sleep...I toss and turn a lot and wake up with a sore lower
back and sore neck and shoulders.
I have been reading a lot of the the Tempur-pedic bed and was
wondering if anyone has tried that bed? Or, does anyone have
Hi there, I got a tempurpedic bed about 2 years ago. And I love it. I too am a
stomach sleeper and had been sleeping on an old mattress. One that was so bad
that during my pregnancies I had to switch to a futon. The tempurpedic is great
because it sort of molds to your body. So you get support thru your whole body.
People who love really soft m attresses might find it a bit firm at first.
the other thing is that it takes a few days to get used to when you first get it, so if
you decide to try it out, give it a week or so.
the other thing is that after two years of two people sleeping on the bed, there are
no indentations or any ''valleys''. It just puffs right back out.
I highly recommend it.
happy tummy sleeper
I sleep on my stomach, too. I bought a Select comfort bed, the
sleep number bed! I love it, I love it, I love it.
My mother-in-law has the bed you asked about, it's good for a
visit; but my sleep number bed is perfect! Both my husband and
I sleep wonderfully and still love it after 2 years.
Sleeping all night
Seeking opinions on which mattress to purchase--the Mcroskey with the boxspring or
the Eurpean Sleepworks with the adjustable slats? Both seem great....but difficult
decision. Thanks for any input.
A few years I was also looking for a new mattress and I also called the McRoskey but
the prices seemed outrageous. I mean, come on, I was buying a bed, not a car. We
bought the ESW and WE LOVE IT. My husband has an arthritic hip and for the first time
in 10 years he slept all night. For the money, it is a great buy and you will not regret
I can't speak to the McRoskey as far as comfort. I am sure it is great. The question is
really how much money do you want to spend?
sleeping great now
We purchased a mattress and slat system from European
sleepworks this summer and we are very pleased with it.
We 'shopped' twice and spent over an hour each time. My husband
changed his mind about what firmness he liked in that time, so
I think two visits over as many weeks is important for this
investment. I have given up on American style spring
mattresses. We purchased an expensive one (plush top/ memory
foam) and within four years it was a mushy mess with a cave-in
center and I was having pressure point issues.So at this point
if the sleepworks one lasts 2 x as long it's worth 2x the
money. My husband and I had different problems and we're both
waking up much happier in the morning. No pressure point issues
and no more sore backs (well, I still get a little, but nothing
like before in degree or frequency and many days no issues). We
took their recommendations and now sleep with a pillow under
one arm and bet. the knees (something you can implement w/o the
mattress!) and we also got the oxygen pillow. I like the oxygen
pillow (it has to be sized to you) except the surface (not the
cushiony part) has begun to seem a little hard to me--this is
an issue particular to me and my tempurpedic pillow had started
to do this to me which is why I switched to the oxygen pillow).
So the pillow is fine for my neck, but not so great for my
ears/back of the head where I am like the princess and the pea.
On the mattress, I still collapse into it and think, 'this is
so nice' over 6 months later--and as you can tell, I'm fairly
picky. It's a highly personal decision, but I liked the
mattress and it was a relief to shop there versus other
We purchased a Mcroskey California King Size mattress and box
spings approximately three years ago. They are great and
extremely comfortable. I don't think you can go wrong with
I can't speak to Sleepworks, but I can recommend Mcroskey,
highly. We've had one for 12 years, the boxspring/matress
combo. Wonderful/Amazing. We have two couples who went out and
got them after we did. The key is to test drive in their
showroom and get the firmness that is right for you. Plus, SF
made...awesome original building on Market...just can't beat it!
My wife and I are about to toss out our 4 year old McCroskey.
It's bumpy, lumpy, and sunken in the middle. You might have
better luck but it's just about the worst purchase we ever made.
Need a New Mattress
We are preparing to upgrade to a king-size bed so that we can co-sleep with our toddler
and newborn-on-the-way. Can anyone recommend a mattress to us? We know that our
current queen mattress is a bit soft to be ideal for babies, but we purchased it before
we were parents, and didn't initially plan to co-
sleep. Aside from firmness, are there any other considerations to take into account?
What mattresses have people been happy with while co-sleeping? co-sleeper
After much research, we concluded that an organic mattress was most important. We
purchashed ours at Earthsake on 4th Street in Berkeley a few months ago. It is
the ''Extra firm'' type, and we added a wool cover. I think the softness/firmness
factor is perfect for co-sleeping. It greatly eases my mind that not only our
baby, but my husband and I as well, are sleeping on a chemical-free bed. Take a
look at the toxic ingredients found in non-organic mattresses. It is shocking to
me that so many educated people think nothing of inhaling toxins several hours a
day, yet are adamant about organic eating and living. Organic mattresses cost
approximately the same as the higher quality new chemical mattresses. I think,
all said and done, our mattress, boxspring, and organic bedding was in the $2500
range. Best of luck to you!
We have been co-sleeping with our son (now 2 years 3 months old) since day 1 on
our simmons beauty rest with plush top (the mattress underneath is extrafirm).
Although it has a soft plush top, we put a waterproof mattress pad and a tight
sheet over it so it wasn't too soft for baby. Our baby was also swaddled in the
miracle blanket (miracleblanket.com) for the first four months and so there was
no danger of the baby turning over when he was too young. The individual springs
of the simmons beautyrest mattress made sure that when my husband or I moved, the
baby did not move with us or there was no 'dip' for the baby to roll into. Works
well for us
I'm looking for a comfortable, probably firm, queen-size mattress that won't break
the bank. Can anyone recommend a mattress store and a mattress brand or model?
Also, how do you adequately test it before buying it?
I bought a mattress, etc. four months ago at European Sleepworks
in Berkeley. It is wonderful. To anyone able to afford -- or
sacrifice to afford -- in the $1,000+ range, I suggest buying the
mattress without the slats, etc., which would bring it down
somewhat in cost. I bought the whole package and as I waited the
month or so for it to arrive, I thought I'd lost my mind, but
gosh it is a dream to sleep on. I'd suffered for years on the
standard type of mattress.
Back to Bed
I am in the market for a new mattress and box spring. I have
lower back problems (chronic). My husband has some arthritis in
one shoulder that makes side sleeping uncomfortable, yet he is
naturally a side sleeper. Lately, we are both stiff and sore
when we get out of bed due to what I think may be an overly
We are interested in Tempur Pedic beds. If you have one, did
you have specific sleep problems? Did the Tempur Pedic solve
the problems? Are any of the copycat memory foam mattresses
viable alternatives? Lastly, where did you buy yours and do you
recommend that place?
I did look at the archives but many of the suggestions focus on
$200 mattress toppers. I really want a whole new bed. Thanks
stiff and sore
Try European Sleepworks. They're in Berkeley and make the best
matresses I have ever experienced. They're custom made using
non-toxic materials. You can customize the matress to you - the
people in the store are beyond helpful and you can just go in and
flop around on different options. They are Pricey ($2000-$3000) -
but in my opinion well worth it. Really, just an experience
unlike any other bed. The price is also a little better when you
consider that they last for an incredibly long time - much longer
than a standard matress (we've been told we can plan on using
them for 20+ years.) We bought these matresses for all the beds
in our house, including the guest room and for our teenage
daughters just because we think they are so fantastic that it was
worth the investemnt. Go into the store - 2966 Adeline in
Berkeley, they are extremely helpful and informative there, or
check out the website at:
I have chronic back and shoulder problems, and invested in a new
Temper-Pedic mattress about 6 years ago. It was definitely
worth the money. My back and shoulder pain improved
dramatically, and I still wake up without pain after sleeping
(which had been a problem for years) six years later. Although
initially expensive, they last a long time, and are a wonderful
We've had a Tempur Pedic Mattress for about 6 years now, and
really love it. We bought the whole system with a boxspring, but
if you have a platform bed frame, that's not necessary. We
purchased directly from Tempur Pedic, either online or via phone,
I can't recall. I was pregnant at the time, and would have been
miserable without my beloved bed. Our primary reason for the
purchase, besides the divine comfort, was because my husband is a
tossing, turning, thrashing, sleeper, and I am not. He would
continuously wake me up with all his movement. I barely can tell
when he moves, except when he robs me of covers. We really
notice the difference when we travel. We did purchase pillows
and slept with them for a while before getting the bed. Good
luck with your decision.
sleeping like a baby
Hooray!! We're finally getting ready to move (larger room/home) and need a recommendation on a good mattress. I don't know if it makes a difference that we want a California King. My husband and I have both had back/neck problems that we can attribute to our past & current mattresses. What I think we need is something firm, but not stiff, and feels soft. I know there is such a thing because we slept on it during our vacation at the Moana Surfrider in Waikiki (anyone know where to get one of those? Seems it's made for their parent company, but I'd like to test it out again at a store and not just purchase it online.) I guess I'm wondering if there's a consensus about what brand makes the best mattresses, as well as where to shop. Thanks for any input.
We bought a European Sleepworks mattress 8 years ago and have been in heaven ever since. Since then, my parents, in-laws, 2 friends and brother have all purchased these mattresses. several of us have chronic back issues and we would all spend the money over and over again. They cost $2000-$2500, depending on what you buy. We compared these to other similar "boutique" mattresses in the Bay Area and we were appalled by what they want to charge for virtually the same product. You can rotate the pillow top, but you never have to flip the mattress. Also, the top of the cover zips off so you can wash it!! We have had to do that once or twice with a toddler who crawls into our bed in the middle of the ONE night we forgot to put the waterproof pad on :-)
Can anyone tell me the difference between a European
Sleepworks Bed versus a TempurPedic? Has anyone tried them
both? Have you also tried a McRoskey? If so, how do they
compare? Are there other beds in this price range we
should be considering? We are interested in buying a new
bed and wanted some feedback on the beds in this price
I LOVE my McCrosky mattress. I've had one for nearly 9 years and it is absolutely the best mattress I've ever slept on.
We love having the space to stretch out in our king-sized bed---
but after only 1.5-2 yrs a bump in the middle has developed.
It's in the section between where my the bulk of my husband's
body and my body bulk lay. Now it's been a total of 3 years and
I don't think this mattress is holding up. We paid about $1100
for it. We do not have a boxspring as our bed is the platform
type that doesn't need one. The bed has a single head to toe
support bar running down the middle. Does anyone know if it's
the mattress quality or the lack of boxspring that causes this
lump in the middle? Or a combination of both? I really don't
want to go back to a queen. Should we get a new bed with a
boxspring? I was thinking that a king bed with 2 support bars
(cutting the length into thirds) may help because then the bars
would be under the areas where our bodies are most of the time.
Anyone know of such a bed design? They all seem to have just
one bar. Another thing: it's the new kind of mattress that
doesn't require flipping. However, one day we stood up the
mattress to do some work in the room and the next week or so it
didn't seem to have the bump, and this tells me that flipping it
around would probably do some good, although the bottom-side is
not designed to be slept on. Any ideas? Do we need to get a
Love to Stretch Out
I think that my husband and I have the same crummy mattress as
you! I hate that lump in the bed and my husband is also
experiencing really bad back pain every night! UGH. We DO have
a box spring and I don't think it does on iota of good. I
really just think that the problem is that mattresses
that ''conform'' to your body don't have the ability to ''spring
back'' to life. Thus, the ''hill'' in the middle. I haven't
written to the company that makes the mattress, but I'm
definitely thinking about it. Other than that, we're planning
on buying a new mattress and I'm going for the old fashioned
kind of mattress. Good luck to you!
need a good night's sleep
No flip is a myth. If you don't flip your mattress, it will get
lumpy. If you have a pillowtop, the mattress co. will tell you
that it's just what happens with pillowtops.
Yeah, it's amazing that products this expensive are made this
At this point, were I you, I'd start rotating and flipping the
mattress and see if it'll even out over the next 3 or 4 months.
We are very disapponted with our pillow top mattress, it was supposed to be
firm at the core with a soft external finish. It now has two holes corresponding
to our bottoms and it's very unconfortable. In Europe latex beds are very
popular. I am wondering where is a shop where we can get one in the Berkeley
area? Do they change in shape with use? Are they confortable? Are there
different qualities of latex? I didn't find infos on the website.
We got our mostly-latex mattress from European Sleepworks in
Berkeley. They're not cheap but we like ours. They also have
Before chucking your old mattress, have you tried rotating and/or
flipping it? (Yes, the pillowtop would now be a pillowbottom, but
it might be comfortable anyway.)
I have a 100% latex mattress due to severe allergies (they do
not harbor dust mites nor mold) and have been happy with it,
though my husband would prefer something more pillowy. I prefer
very firm mattresses and ordered a ''firm'' mattress (they came
in soft, medium, firm and extra firm) and actually wish I had
ordered a medium firmness, it is extremely firm and resilient,
I wouldn't expect it to sag or soften, ever.) I will not
mention the store where I purchased mine because they were
extremely rude in the delivery process (we paid a lot for
delivery and they only staff one delivery person and thus
required us to help,) and also wrongly delivered Cal king
instead of Eastern and tried to not allow an exchange. But, the
primo place (not where I got mine) is European Sleepworks,
where they have 100% latex as well as other combinatations like
latex, cotton, wool, or some with innersprings. Great place to
try all the options, but they were too expensive for us. (I did
order Euro. Sleepworks adjustable slats foundation and honestly
can't tell much difference between those and the regular, rigid
slats on our bed. so if on a budget I'd skip the adjustable
slats)If you look online there is a futon shop in S.F. that had
very reasonable prices for latex mattresses and delivery to the
east bay (sorry I don't remember the name.) good luck.
I got my mattress at european sleepworks in berkeley on adeline
my chiropractor recommended them and its great - I've had it 7
years now and its as comfy as ever.
it helps with mattress wearing that my husband and I are not
large people but they can give you good advice that fits your
This doesn't quite answer your question, but if you want a really great
bed along the same lines as a latex I recommend a natural latex i.e.
rubber bed. I bought one at Earthsake on 4th St. and it is absolutely
great. It is by far the most comfortable bed I have ever slept on in the US
or Europe! They had a demo. when we bought it about 9 months ago so
you can go in and try it out. It isn't cheap, but it's totally worth it. I think
the manufacturer offers a sale about twice a year.
Where to buy a good mattress?
I have heard horror stories from friends about the difficulties
they have had buying mattresses around here. Can someone
recommend a good place that has reasonable prices? Is there an
advantage to going to one of those big mattress warehouses? How
I have 2 recommendations: we just bought our kids' bunkbeds at
Mancini Sleepworld in Pinole (there's also one in Berkeley, near
OSH), and the mattresses were on sale, name brand, and seem to be
of high quality. The whole purchasing experience was quick and
easy (and I did it alone with my 2 and 4 year olds in tow!).
Secondly, we purchased our own king size mattress and box spring
just over a year ago at Fenton MacLaren on College Ave. We were
just browsing around at the furniture one Sunday afternoon, and
wandered downstairs to discover beds & mattresses. The prices
were comparable or cheaper than those we'd researched elsewhere,
so we bought our set, and are now very happy with the quality of
sleep we're getting! (No more futons for us for a long time!)
Again, the staff there was very helpful and nice. Good luck!
This is what I wrote in the recommendations about my mattress-
buying experience a couple of years ago:
''This is how I bought our mattress: I started with a $700 budget
for a queen-sized mattress, so Duxiana, European Sleepworks and
McRoskey were out of the question for us. I read about
mattresses at www.whatsthebest-mattress.com and learned that
manufacturers (not the independent high-ends mentioned above)
sell the same mattresses, but name them differently at each
store so that customers cannot compare prices from store to
store. I also learned what to look for in mattress construction.
I took my notes and went through the exhausting process of
visiting the major mattress stores (Mattress Discounters,
Sleeptrain, Mancini's, etc.) and tried out mattresses in our
price range. I found most stores were horrendous -- really high-
pressured, irritating sales tactics and absolutely unwilling to
give a straight answer. Salespeople will bad-mouth the brand
their store doesn't carry -- the only stores that didn't use
these tactics were Viking Trader on San Pablo (I didn't like any
of their mattresses) and Mancini's in Pinole. Also, Mancini's
has a chart comparing the mattresses [by the name each store
uses for the same mattress]. I ended up spending about $1,000 at
Mancini's -- and we're very happy. I couldn't find anything
under $900 that I liked. Maybe next time we'll be able to move
on up to European Sleepworks! Good luck!''
**The only things I can add to this are that I did look at Ikea
and didn't like any of their mattresses. Also, we've had our
mattress for about 3 years now and are still very happy with
it. What a difference a new mattress made in our lives! (When
you're rolling toward the valley in the center of your mattress,
you know it's TIME.)
I had a good experience with Mattress Discounters in
Emeryville. They have a large selection and are pretty helpful.
I bought my mattress, which I love, at the mattress store in Emeryville,
near the Home Depot. But I don't think where matters as much as this:
mattresses are marked up so much that retailers are willing to bargain.
No joke. I made them an offer and they accepted. It was like being at a
garage sale! (I'd read about this somewhere and thought, what the hell.)
Also, comparing brands from store to store is often not possible; retailers
change the names of the mattress just enough to make comparison
shopping difficult. Good luck!
We bought ours at Macy's. After it arrived and we were able to sleep on it for a
month, we decided to return it and get a firmer mattress. That's the good thing
about Macy's. We are very pleased with the mattress we ultimately ended up with.
My husband and I bought a mattress at European Sleep Works
(Adeline near Ashby in Berkeley) and have been very happy with it
(as well as with the store and salespeople). The mattress is now
7 years old and I expect to go back there when we replace it.
They are definitely high end mattresses, priced comparably to
high-end mattresses from national brands (Sealy, Serta, etc.),
but I really think you get a better quality product. If you
aren't looking at the high end of the market, however, it's
probably not the right place for you.
Hi. My parents recently gave us a bed for our son. It is great
and has extra storage but it is odd shaped. The dimensions are
32 x 74. We are trying not to spend a lot of money on a new
mattress. I was debating a foam mattress since it more likely
that can be made to a custom size for less money. Does anyone
know of a good place to buy custom mattresses and/or a foam shop?
All our mattresses are foam with egg crate toppers, and we're very happy with
the combo. We all have bad backs too, so comfort really matters to us.
There's a great foam store on San Pablo, and I'm sure they can custom cut
something for you. Famous Foam Factory, 1411 San Pablo Avenue Berkeley ,
CA 94702 (510) 526-2645
In response to your request for a recommendation on a where to
find a odd sized mattress;
I recently purchased a custom mattress online for about half
the cost I was able to find here in the east bay (half the
cost, including being shipped from phoenix, az).
At first, I was bit reserved about purchasing a mattress
online, but I had such a difficult time locating a custom
mattress manufacturer here that didn't want to charge an arm
and a leg that I decided to check online.
The mattress maker I found had so many supurlative reviews from
previous customers, that after talking with them over the phone
about my specifications, I had such a good instinct about
purchasing from them that I decided to place an order.
All in all, I ended up extremely happy with he quality of the
mattress, and the service, and the cost. I would definitely
purchase another mattress from them, and feel good about
recommending them to anyone. The mattress I decided to purchase
was a latex mattress (recommended by my chiropractor), and the
company I bought it from is called Mattresses.Net and they're
found online at www.Mattresses.Net
--happy to be of any assistance!
Does anyone have a mattress (brand and model) that they really
like? We are looking for a king-sized quality mattress that
will support two bad backs and will last for many years. Our
prior European Sleepworks queen size mattress was fine for
about 4 years and then lost its shape and comfort which was very
disappointing given how much money we spent on it. What are the
pros and cons of foam v. springs? We are worried about spending
big bucks on a mattress and then finding out that it doesn't
work for us. I have reviewed the prior recommendations about
European Sleepworks and Tempurpedic but am interested in other
I bought a Simmons pillow-top mattress at Evolution Furniture
(on University Avenue, below Sixth Street in Berkeley), and it
is heaven; I have been sleeping wonderfully since I got it a
few months ago. I have a frozen shoulder, and it has really
helped with the pain. They have several different models you
can try out, and excellent prices. I worked with Jenna, a very
I would recommend McRoskey Airflex Mattress Company in San
Francisco. We purchased a new kingsize mattress and boxspring
this summer from them and have been very pleased with them.
Check out their website at www.mcroskey.com
I have sciatcia and was told by a chiropractor that, no matter the
brand, the key is to get the highest number of springs you
possibly can. He also specifically mentioned Springwall and King
Koil as brands to get but I have had no luck finding either in the
Bay Area. If you do find a source for either of these, I'd love
to know about it.
Where to buy a Memory Foam mattress
Hi. I read the BPN's previous postings looking for places to buy
memory foam mattress pads and $$$, but I couldn't find anything.
I'm hoping someone on the list can help steer me in the right
I looked at the mattress pads at Bed Bath and Beyond, but they
didn't look that much different than egg cart foam. They had
another brand but it was quite expensive. In fact, it was more
expensive than the quote I got from Famous Foam Factory in Albany.
Someone posted to the list recently about memory foam mattress
pads:''Internet prices are
generally lower than in stores, and by comparing prices we got a
What sites online did you use to comparison shop? Does anyone
have a favorite site for this?
Another slightly related question is this, does anyone have a
favorite website in general that you use to do your comparison
I saw a memory foam mattress pad available on overstock.com. I
recently purchased a camera from them, and I am very pleased
with it. You can get incredible discounts on certain items, but
be forewarned that the cheapest items are usually ''factory
refurbished,'' i.e., returned merchandise (that's still in
excellent shape). If you don't care about that aspect, it's a
great web site.
I purchased a memory foam mattress pad (queen size) from
they run from $30-50 depending on size. Shipping was around $5.
We like ours but it takes awhile for the smell to go away.
Re: Comfortable mattress (April 2004)
I recently purchased two 'memory foam' pads to go over our
existing matresses. My son had complained that his standard foam
matress was too hard, and my husband used to wake up with sore
shoulders, an arm which had ''fallen asleep'', or a stiff lower
back. We bought a 2'' matress cover for my son, and a 3'' for our
bed, and the results have been terrific. Internet prices are
generally lower than in stores, and by comparing prices we got a
Comfortable mattress with good support
I know there are posts on buying Mattresses on the network, but
they are pretty outdated and dont have sufficient info on
mattress other than european sleepworks.
I am trying to find a mattress that can give good support and
be comfortable. I have a 3 yr old that sleeps with us and I am
currently expecting. Any advice is appreciated if someone can
reccomend the mattress they are happy with!!
We really like our organic mattress that we got at Earthsake on
Fourth Street. We've had ours about 2 years, and our son's is
over four years old. I think we got ''medium'' firmness (not
sure), and both are still very comfortable. We do not have bos-
springs. My son's is on a platform, and ours rests on wooden
slats. The store has an annual mattress sale, I think in the
McRoskey Mattress Company in San Francisco is the best place to
go for comfortable mattresses.
I've had ongoing mild discomfort in my middle back (not upper,
not lower) and I'm wondering if it could be that our mattress is
too soft. It's only 7 years old, and I originally pushed for it
because it was so pleasantly soft and embracing. Anyone have
evidence or personal testimonials (please no hearsay or plain
opinion) as to whether a harder mattress would help me?
Old trick -- try cutting a piece of plywood or particleboard (at
least 1/2'' thick if it's particleboard) and sticking it between
the mattress and the box spring. This firms up your mattress but
is reversible if that's not really the problem. It also
typically sets you back less than $10, and if your spouse is
happy with the bed the way it is, you can plywood just your side.
We desperately need to replace our king-size mattress.
Actually, I am the one who thinks we need to replace it. My
husband has no problem with our mattress, but I wake up
with aching hips and back every morning. Our mattress
wasn't cheap (it's a top-of-the line Beautyrest) but is now
about 10 years old. I'm scared to death of investing in a
super-expensive new mattress and finding out it doesn't
make a bit of difference to my comfort. I read the rave
reviews of European Sleepworks on the website and am
wondering if anyone has anything to add about their recent
purchase of a high-quality mattress from European
Sleepworks or some other high-end mattress manufacturer.
I'd especially like to hear about how you decided which
mattress was right for you. Somehow buying a mattress is
even more daunting to me than buying a new car--at least
you can recoup most of your investment if you don't like the
We purchased a bed from European Sleepworks about 2 1/2 years ago
and it changed our lives! I was waking up with a terrible
backache every day and was spending lots of time at the
chiropractor. My husband was the one that pushed me to go the
European Sleepworks as I was hesitant to spend that much money -
it was the best investment that we've made. I can't imagine ever
buying another bed that wasn't from European sleepworks.
Believe me, the investment is worth it!
Go buy this bed now! We got a European Sleepworks bed about 4
months ago after having little aches and pains each morning and
needing a larger bed since our toddler oftens leeps with us . We
tried these beds out on our way to Sleep Train to try ''regular''
beds and my daughter actually fell asleep while laying on one in
the showroom! The price seemed high so we went to Sleep Train
right away to see how they compared. After trying Every mattress
in the Sleep Train showroom, the only one that even came
anywhere close to feeling as good as the E.S. bed cost over
$5,000. We were told we could get a 40% discount but it still
would have cost more than the much more comfy bed at E.S. We
immediately went to E.S. and ordered the bed. It was about $2100
but oh, so worth it! It took a month to get but was worth the
wait. We opted not to get the pillow top but they have told us
they will loan us one to try out and see if we want to add it.
Haven't tried it yet. 2 neighbors have the bed with the pillow
top and love their beds too (bought within last 2 years). No
more aches or pains and sleeping away from home makes us long to
get home! Well worth the money!!!
My husband & I just bought Tempurpedic mattress at Evolution on
University & 5th. It was less expensive than some of the other
high-end mattresses (e.g. Duxiana) but we found them to be as if
not more comfortable. As far as your big purchase anxiety, they
have a money back warranty (90 days, I think) if you are not happy
with the purchase. We found the folks at Evolution to be very
In regards to the question of replacing a king size mattress.
I was in the same dilemma a few months ago. Instead of
replacing the mattress, I invested in (about $200) a 2 inch
memory foam overlay. What a difference! No more aching
back or tossing and turning. It's generally the same stuff as
the expensive high tec sleep foam mattresses. It takes a
few weeks for the slight smell to disappear completely
(which it did) and for it to tamp down to it final height but it's
like having a new bed. I purchased my foam at the Foam
Creations Sleep Shop in Albany on Solano Ave. but any
good futon/foam store would probably carry it. You may have
to buy sheets a bit deeper than before but generally mine
still fit. It's a tradeoff but it definitely made a HUGE difference
and I'm not spending thousands on a new bed!
I felt like the princess sleeping on the pea for many years until
we bought our mattress at McRoskey in San Francisco. McRoskey is
a family-owned company that has been making mattresses in San
Francisco for over 100 years.
Now I sleep soundly, wake up w/o aches and pains, and family &
friends who've stayed over comment on how wonderful the mattress
is. We did have to pay more for it, but it really turned out to
be worth it. These things last forever.
You can try out the different mattress and box spring
combinations and custom order sizes. As it turned out, after I
slept on the one we took home, I ended up deciding that I wanted
a firmer mattress instead, and there was no trouble exchanging it.
I can't praise them highly enough!
Just so you know, most major matress manufacturers give you 60-
90 days to decide if you like your mattress or not.
We just bought a Simmons Backcare. It was more than we wanted to
spend, but after shopping around nothing else felt as good.
Be sure to stick it out for a few weeks w/ your new mattress,
though. Like you, I was having hip problems. At first w/ the
new mattress it actually got worse, but after two weeks or so
the problem totally cleared up. Feels great now.
Buy the good stuff! Because of ongoing back pain, which seems to
be getting worse as I age, we splurged and bought a European
Sleep Works mattress last year. I can report that although I do
still sometimes wake up stiff, I get a vastly better night's
sleep than I did on our old, saggy mattress. I justified the
expense by reasoning that I shouldn't scrimp on anything I spend
half my life doing, such as sleeping.
You need a new mattress anyway, why not get the best? At least
go try them. Your aching back will thank you.
Mom with comfy bed
We recently purchased a king size bed from European Sleepworks
in May 2002. I really felt like we went out on a limb purchasing
an unconventional bed. I had a lot of misgivings about our
purchase, and am not sure I would buy another bed from them
again. The reasons are not so much based upon comfort as much as
their sales approach, the assistance after the sale was made and
some sales claims they made.
First, I am reasonably comfortable when I can get sleep. We have
a 3+ year old who doesn't sleep well, an 8 month old who nurses
every two hours and a 16lb cat(did I mention the husband that
When we first brought the bed home, both my husband and I felt
as if our heads were lower than our bodies. As if we were
sleeping on a down slope. I called E.S. and requested some help.
They were very reluctant to give us a new tension setting for
our slats. After three phone calls, they gave me a new setting
over the phone. Turns out that the tension brackets on the slats
are very cumbersome to set yourself. There are no markings on
the slats to help your determine where to put the brackets for
the number setting they've given you. They tell you to use a
ruler to help you set the tensions based upon the middle of the
slat. Yeah right! The mattress is heavy. Someone has to lift it
while your under it fiddling with the ruler trying to reset the
During one of the phone calls I commented on how slick the sales
process was, the closing etc. then no follow up with their
customers(for such a high end product) or if you have a question
or a problem there's only reluctance to help. The sales woman
said, ''we hate to get involved in people's sleep problems, it
gets so personal''! Boy, if only she knew what my sleep problems
were! I just wanted a new setting for my slats.
That said, I still don't know if our slats are TRULY set with
our body types in mind. E.S. insist that the bed is customized
to fit your body type by setting the tension, but they really
don't have a perfected system to tell you the how and why behind
it. They don't ask for your height or weight or how you normally
sleep(back or side?). And they certainly won't be helpful if you
request a new slat configuration. So when I lost the rest of my
pregnancy weight I didn't bother to call them for a new setting
I just squeezed under the bed and made my best guess!
It would have been nice if E.S. sent someone back to my house to
help me reset the tension. I mentioned that I live less than a
mile from their Berkeley office, it wouldn't have taken much
time/effort on their part(after I paid $2,000 for the bed!).
Secondly, they will tell you that movement(someone getting in or
out of bed) doesn't affect the mattress or the other person
sleeping in the bed. Not true. Third, they will tell you that
the mattress will not ''sink'' if a heavy person is sleeping next
to someone who is lighter. Not true.
I hope my comments have helped. Good luck!
This is how I bought our mattress: I started with a $700 budget
for a queen-sized mattress, so Duxiana, European Sleepworks and
McRoskey were out of the question for us. I read about
mattresses at www.whatsthebest-mattress.com and learned that
manufacturers (not the independent high-ends mentioned above)
sell the same mattresses, but name them differently at each
store so that customers cannot compare prices from store to
store. I also learned what to look for in mattress
construction. I took my notes and went through the exhausting
process of visiting the major mattress stores (Mattress
Discounters, Sleeptrain, Mancini's, etc.) and tried out
mattresses our price range. I found most stores were
horrendous -- really high-pressured, irritating sales tactics
and absolutely unwilling to give a straight answer. Salespeople
will bad-mouth the brand their store doesn't carry -- the only
stores that didn't use these tactics were Viking Trader on San
Pablo (I didn't like any of their mattresses) and Mancini's in
Pinole. Also, Mancini's has a chart comparing the mattresses by
name. I ended up spending about $1,000 at Mancini's -- and
we're very happy. I couldn't find anything under $900 that I
liked. Maybe next time we'll be able to move on up to European
Sleepworks! Good luck!
Have you tried a "memory foam" mattress pad? Or Tempur-Pedic?
Has anyone tried latex or "memory foam" mattress pads (to top off the
mattress) OR tried the Tempur-Pedic style mattresses which uses the high
tech sounding "viscoelastic" type foam? I saw the pads at Foam
Creations on Solano and was wondering if it was worth the price. We
have a very hard mattress and the quilted pads that come from Strouds or
other linen stores don't add much comfort. Thanks for any input.Anon.
Hi. We bought a foam mattress with a memory foam topper from Foam
Creations. We absolutely loved it when we first got it. It was so
luxurious and comfortable. One time a friend of mine put her son down for a
nap in our bed and fell asleep with him and later told us that the mattress
was so comfy that she couldn't fight off her sleep. The problem is that
the memory foam didn't live up to what was promised. We were told it would
maintain it's "memory" for ten years. After only three years, we are ready
to replace it. I wake up with an achy back and the mattress sags in the
middle. Another real downside was that when our son was a new infant, we
needed to temporarily replace the memory foam with something more firm
because we feared he might suffocate in the memory foam. Also, the foam
base beneath the memory foam mildewed pretty severely, even though we were
told that if we got one of those expensive mattress covers it wouldn't
happen. So now we are regretting our purchase and in the market for a
standard mattress/boxspring set up. I think our backs will be happier in
the long run.
We had a similar choice to make a couple of years back,
and opted for a 2 inch thick memory foam pad (can't
remember the company, but I know they make gloves). It's
been great. I think it was about $200, and it was like
getting a whole new mattress. The tempur-pedic mattresses
are much more expensive, but we've been very happy with
I did a bit of research a year ago and am happy with my
2-inch mattress pad that I purchased for less than $200,
including mattress cover. My mattress was too hard and
the pad has made a huge difference. The isotonic mattress
topper is made of foam that has 4 lbs/cubic foot density.
(the Tempurpedic line is 5 lbs/cubic foot. And some users'
reviews claimed it was too hard.) I bought mine at the
following web site. I was happy with their price and
service. (They also have lots of information on the site.)
I also noticed that Costco in Richmond had these pads as
well, but I don't know the exact quality/specifics.
I may have missed some recent discussions about mattresses, but couldn't
find much in the archives. We need to buy 2 twin mattresses for
loft/trundle bed. Our 4-year-old daughter has pretty bad dust/pollen
allergies, and we are trying to create a dust-free room. I'm also
interested in buying chemical-free stuff as much as possible. We've
thrown out the very old mattresses which we inherited with the bed, and need replacements. There is a bewildering amount of information on the web (mostly from people selling mattresses). I don't think we want
conventional spring mattresses (is the toxic outgassing only a
short-term issue, or ???). Alternatives seem to be variations of
cotton/wool combos, and latex. Sounds like latex allergies aren't really likely with mattresses, but can't be sure about wool. Latex sounds interesting--are hypoallergenic claims accurate? Do they really "breathe"? Does it mean you don't have to have a dust cover over it? The foam shop on Solano Avenue sells twin size latex mattreseses for about $500 each. Lots of eco-mattresses (cotton/wool) are even more expensive than that. We're willing to spend something more than conventional mattress, but not a small fortune, on something good and long-lasting. Any suggestions? My apologies if this has been discussed recently, and if so, I would welcome any forwarding of past postings.
I had a latex mattress on my bunk bed as a kid and it still remains
for me the standard of wonderful comfort against which all other
mattresses are judged. Thirty years later it still seems just as
good. I presume they breathe, since it's not a smooth surface, has
I have a friend who has a latex foam mattress. He has severe allergies
to dust, pollen, mold etc. When he bought it, they told him he needed
to put it on a slat bed, because otherwise it could mildew on the
bottom from the moisture released during sleep. He didn't do it for
two years (had it on a platform because he couldn't afford a new frame)
and lo and behold, it did mildew. He has since treated it with
unscented Lysol, which is supposed to kill the mildew. But I thought I
I'd mention that this kind of mattress really does need to be on a slat
bed or some other support that *itself* breathes. Otherwise you can
risk defeating the whole purpose.
We recently bought a foam mattress from Ikea for a toddler bed that expands to twin size as
your baby grows. I let it air out outside for a day and it has a cover and of course the sheets.
The last couple of weeks the comments regarding the foam and possibly inhaling chemicals is
beginning to scare me. Can anyone recommend a solution, maybe another mattress pad or a
feather bed over the foam? Or should we get rid of it? Thanks for any advice on this one...
I think that plastic (polythene, not PVC) zippered mattress covers can protect
against the outgassing of both foam and conventional baby mattresses, the latter
being treated with flame retardant chemicals on which some fungi feed. The
Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients (Aug/Sept 2000) article entitled "Victory
over crib Death" by Dr. Lendon Smith made a compelling case for using Babesafe
mattress covers (email firstname.lastname@example.org to obtain more info) and no moisture
resistant bedding otherwise
Can anyone recommend a brand of mattress for someone with a bad back in the
market for a king size bed?
I don't know if you have the funds to do it, but if you've never tried a
Dux bed, you should! They are very expensive, but incredibly well-made
Swedish beds. They are warranted for TWENTY YEARS. People leave them to
their kids in their wills! You can buy them only at the Duxiana stores (I
know there is one in SF). Because we have recently come into a small
amount of "discretionary income", we went last week to check out the
current prices. A king size 7007 (their top of the line model) is around
$7,000, depending on whether you want California King (a little cheaper) or
Eastern King (a little more expensive). They have two less expensive lines
as well, but we felt that the difference bewteen a regular mattress and the
cheaper Dux beds was not sufficient to warrant the extra expense. But the
expensive one definitely *is* worth the extra money! We decided that if we
were going to do it, we'd just go whole hog and do it. Here's their
website for more info http//www.duxbed.com/
I definitely would recommend that you go check them out!
My parents have Tempur-pedic bed. It isn't boxsping/mattress, but made
space-age foam. It is very comfy to me when I lie on it. My mom got it
my father has bad everthing (back, hips, etc.) and they love it. It is
terms of cost. I don't know where to tell you to find it, but they have a
If you can afford it, get a mattress at European Sleepworks on Adeline. We
LOVE this mattress. When I go to sleep with a backache, I wake up pain
To clarify on the cost of mattresses at European Sleepworks -- I believe the
mattress alone is around $1,000 or $1,100 for a King size.
"Inbal and Kathy"
Try European Sleep Works on Adeline in Berkeley. These matrresses
are heavenly!! We just got an eastern king. You can adjust each side
differently, so your partner can have what they want as well. Prices range
from $1700 to 2500 for either Ca or eastern king (we found this about twice
the rate of a good quailty American bed, which is not nearly as good for
your back). There is another brand, duks or something like that, that is
also supposed to be very good, but I have heard thay are about twice this
I want to second (or third) the European Sleep Works endorsements. I bought
my bed there while I was pregnant, and I slept comfortably throughout my
Every summer as we visit my mother and stay in her home, our three kids and
their cousin struggle with more or less comfortable sleeping arrangements.
In previous years one kid had to sleep on a futon mattress right on the
(carpeted) floor. In order to improve matters a bit, my mother has been
considering other options, such as those thick inflatable mattresses that you
see in some catalogs. I would very much appreciate some feedback from others
who have given the inflatable mattresses a try either as hosts (ie: are they
easy to inflate/deflate/store) or as houseguests (were they comfortable
enough for one night? for several nights in a row?) . Thanks!
I find the inflatable mattresses much more comfortable than a futon.
They're not hard to put up and take down, though it helps to have an
electric pump (many brands sell pumps that are made to work specifically
with the mattress). They are not large--maybe half the size of a standard
pillow when fully deflated. The big downside is that they can get holes in
them. Our 12 year old daughter jumped on our last one and burst a side
seam (completely unable to be repaired). So it sort of depends on the
activity level of the kids, and location in which the mattress will be used.
Good luck! Dawn
we slept on one recently when visiting my father. it was very easy to
inflate and deflate with the electric pump (came with it). all three of us
(2 adults and one 22 month old) slept on it comforatably. at first it wasn't
comfortable, but then we added more air and it was fine. i forgot the brand.
it runs around $150.00 i think and is carried at bed, bath & beyond and sold
in the hearth and home catalog.
We got a queen size one from REI ($25 or so) almost two years ago for guests
and it has been great. I don't think you need to get the really expensive
ones. Do invest in an electric pump, though -- much easier than the foot
I slept on one for a week while staying at my mother in law's house. I
didn't tell her this, but I didn't find it very comfortable at all. I would
say it's OK for one night but that would be about it. If you move or roll
the thing sort of slips on the floor. It also "squeaks" when you get up (my
baby quickly figured out I was on the floor next to his crib which greatly
lessened his interest in staying asleep.) They are definitely easy to
inflate and deflate, however, and do not take up much storage space. And, I
should add, I have a reputation for being somewhat of a princess.
We'd like to put an extra bed in our son's room for
house guests, but don't have much extra space to play
around with. I've looked at futons, but the frames are
all so big that I'm beginning to think we should try to
find a comfortable fold-away cot or even an air mattress
that can be stored out of place when not in use. How have
others solved this problem? Is there such a thing as a
comfortable cot or air mattress? If so, where would I go
to find one? Any other ideas? Thanks.
air matteress--I highly recommend the AERO BED air mattresses!
I think you can get them at Sears but I imagine they are at
lots of other places too.
King-sized Mattress for Family Bed
I know this is a little off-topic but it does relate to parenting, so I'm
going to give it a try. We just had a little girl three months ago and she
sleeps in our queen-sized bed with us. Unfortunately it's a little crowded
in there what with all the rustling around we do when nursing, the care we
have to take with the sheets & blankets, etc. We're looking to buy a
king-sized bed so that we all can stretch out a little bit but are a bit
daunted by the huge and confusing selection of brands and types. Can anyone
offer any advice as to a good, reasonably priced king-sized bed? And where
to get it?
We're on a modest budget but are interested in good quality. We can
probably afford something around $1000-1200. If anyone knows of any such
mattress, please let me know!
King-size bed. We also outgrew our family bed, and finally went to king-size
last January. We ended up buying our bed at Mancini's Sleepworld in Pinole,
and I highly recommend them. They deliver free, give you a frame, take away
the old mattress, if needed (we just asked them to put it in another room),
and offer a "comfort guarantee", which means if you don't like the mattress
you bought, they will exchange it at no charge within a certain period of
time. We bought a Serta mattress called the Worthington Plush, and we love
it. We got it on sale, so I think it was about $900. If I had known what a
difference a bigger bed would make, I would not have waited so long! Good
I'd look at "Mattress Discounters" out on Hesperian Blvd in San Leandro (not
far up the street from Target). We have bought 5 sets from them. It is NOT
a deluxe shopping environment, but who cares? Many of the sets are
mismatched or have tiny flaws in them. Here's what we do We go in and lay
down on a variety of different mattresses. How else can one decide which one
is best? There is nothing wrong with any of the products beyond those I've
mentioned. The prices are less because the store does very little
advertising and is not a major retailer. I've sent several friends there and
all have reported satisfaction. I doubt that you would need to spend $1000
for a bed.
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