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Need help picking out my bike!
I want to start riding a bike, but don't know where to start (I haven't ridden since I was
about 12 years old). I want the bike primarily to take my daughter to preschool about a mile
away from my house, to ride around town a few miles and perhaps to get some exercise. I don't
plan to offroad or to go incredible distances. I went into a bike store but left overwhelmed
by the different kinds of bikes. I did some research online and think that a 'hybrid' or
'cruiser' might be the best option for me. I like that the cruiser seems safe for riding with
a toddler but the sales person told me it might be too slow and that I might feel constrained
by the bike. What is the best bike for riding around town with a toddler in tow? Thanks so
want to ride!
I just finally got over this hurdle. Hadn't ridden in 30 years. Moved to a town where
everyone bikes. Took me three years to finally get a bike! Just did it a month ago and
it's been great.
I made it harder than I had to. I lurked in bike shops and got ideas but balked at the
high prices. I was afraid of doing a bike swap because I'd buy something that wasn't
any good. I'm very short and extra short-legged, so I worried I wouldn't fit anything.
And then I saw a cute little red cruiser at a garage sale. Practically unused, and the
owner had printouts showing value. I bought it for $120 with a helmet and basket
included. I spent about $100 getting new handlebars, additional basket, softer seat,
new grips, and a few other things that I began to want in the first couple of weeks.
And it's going great. It is single-speed with back-pedal breaks. I added a
hand-me-down tag-along trailer and my son pedals behind me. Suddenly I'm building in
40-60 minutes of exercise a day in the time I used to drive. Just wonderful!
I wish I had just jumped in sooner. Really, I was just afraid to. Maybe my first bike
isn't perfect, but frankly a single speed is fast enough for me, especially with my
son on the back. I found the cruiser handle bars to be a little wobbly for steering,
but new, straighter handlebars were only $15 and really solved that. I like that I
didn't spend much money. I can take most of my improvements to my next bike when I'm
ready for something better.
I encourage you to just start somewhere. Look at garage sales, craigslist and swaps.
Or, if you have more money than me, go back to that shop and pick up a bike. You'll
never get started if you don't have one.
happily back in the saddle
Take a look at XtraCycle. if you can afford it, it's a great way to toss a toddler or
a bag of groceries on the back of your bike http://www.xtracycle.com.
I found Tip Top Cycle to be very helpful and low pressure - they are in Temescal area
of Oakland http://tiptopbikeshop.com.
Consider taking some cycling lessons to brush up on your city cycling skills
ENJOY! Getting back on your bike will make you FEEL 12 again!
Oakland Cyclist and Mama
As a former bike shop employee turned middle-aged mom, I would recommend the hybrid
bike because it's lighter. There are enough small hills around here that the extra
weight can make a difference... and if you're already schlepping a toddler why add to
it? Of course, the best bike is the one you actually ride, so if you just feel better
about the cruiser then you're more likely to actually use it, which makes it the right
In terms of safety, there really isn't a difference between a hybrid and a cruiser.
But whatever you get, I recommend getting a floor pump. This may sound silly, but
underinflated tires make you work a LOT harder and make you more likely to get a flat.
Having a floor pump at home means you don't have to go out of your way to top off at a
bike shop or risk popping your tire at a gas station.
I know this will come across as heretical, but in my experience you should find a
cheap bike that can be adjusted to the right size, replace the seat and grips with
ones that you are comfortable with and put slick tires on. Knobby tires are pointless
and serve only to slow the bike down. Avoid things that complicate the bike like
suspensions. Ignore the weight of the bike. It's a myth, especially if you are
mostly riding on the flat. Wind and rolling resistance are what matter.
I ride my cheap, crappy bike at a sustained average of 19.5 MPH. Don't believe the
hype. Expensive bikes are a source of worry more than anything else.
I work with Street Level Cycles in Berkeley. Street Level Cycles is a non-profit bike shop
located at the Aquatic Park (84 Bolivar Dr.), that focuses on job training for local youth.
We build and refurbish used bikes as a tool for teaching bicycle mechanics to our interns.
These bikes are then made available for sale to the public every week, Friday-Sunday from
12-6pm. Proceeds from bike sales go toward furthering our job training programs. Our bikes
range in price from $50-$500. The overwhelming majority of our bikes are priced below $250.
I would recommend getting a ''hybrid'' over a cruiser for a few different reasons. The East
Bay has a lot of hills and cruisers are usually either single speed or have limited gears.
Hybrids are often built with a much wider range of gears and can be considerably lighter than
many of their cruiser counterparts. Although you are currently only planning to ride a few
miles at a time, the limited gearing of a cruiser may leave you fairly tired by the end of a
short ride. If you like the upright feel and comfort of a cruiser there are ways to make a
hybrid have these same qualities. If you are interested in checking out any of the bikes that
Street Level Cycles has available feel free to stop by on the weekend.
As for carrying your child, there are a few different options. Most people are familiar with
the standard child carrier, but there are also options for trailers and ''tag-along-bikes.''
Each of these options has advantages/disadvantages but it seems like most people are moving
toward the trailer or tag-along-bikes due to increased safety. If you have any further
questions please contact me at email@example.com or (510)644-2577.
Street Level Cycles
I use my bike to get around town, do errands, and go to the Marina. I recommend
you get a hybrid, they're good for all that. A road bike has narrow tires, it's
for road racing, and in my experience - although this may have changed - the
tires are more easily punctured. A mountain bike has thick tires, it's for
off-road riding, it doesn't sound like you're going to do that. A hybrid is in
between these two and is a good working bike. I bought my bike at Velosport
before it went out of business for $300. It's a 21 speed, works fine. You can
probably find what you need at Performance Bikes on University near MLK Way, or
at Mike's Bikes on Univ Ave up by campus, but I think Mike's is more expensive.
I put a back seat on my bike when my son was 3, we had a great time riding up the
shore trail to Pt. Isabel and places like that. Don't hesitate to ask questions
at the bike store, they deal with beginners all the time. And the more you bike
around town, the better you'll get at figuring out how to ride near traffic,
where the bike trails are, and what you need to make biking a great way to get
around, get things done, and have fun.
Where to purchase bikes without breaking the bank
Has anyone seen the prices of new bikes lately? Wow, where have I been? I want
to purchase bikes for me and my teenagers, but I cannot see shelling out $300-800
per bike, plus helmets, plus bike rack etc.. I also do not want to buy a bike that
will break if it falls over(this actually happened with a Walmart bike). Does
anyone have ideas or resources for getting my family rolling without breaking the
Have you tried the Berkeley Parents Marketplace? you are reminding me that we have
2-3 bikes to sell ourselves and I should post them there! Feel free to email me if
you're interested in ours:)
Yes, a good bike is expensive. But there are a number of reputable bike shops in
the area that sell used bikes: Mike's, Hank and Frank, Missing Link to name a few.
DO NOT buy a used bike from Karim on Telegraph. google search Karim + police
reports. If you buy used from an individual ask for proof of ownership, please
don't patronize bike thieves. Probably not what you want to know, but I went for
an expensive road bike and I love it. I really enjoy riding it and I ride it often.
Poor quality, ill-fitting gear isn't fun to use and ends up unused.
and always ride with a helmet
Bike for 10 year old girl?
My daughter, 10, has been riding her bike to school on a
one-speed bike and it's apparent she needs another few
speeds to help her with the hills. I grew up riding a
Schwinn Varsity 10 speed (yes, dating myself here) and was
hoping to find something similar but to my shock it looks
like bikes for kids her size/age go up to 20 speeds? And
more? I can't fathom how she would possibly need that as
she is riding on pavement and only moderate hills, so can
someone please enlighten me? She just needs a good, sturdy,
basic bike to get her around town. When I went into a local
bike shop to discuss, they were a bit snooty that I was out
of date on my bike references and didn't want to spend $500.
So that's another question - what is a reasonable price
range? We got her current ride on craigslist for $25, so
that is not a good baseline... thanks for bringing me into
the 21st century! Mom of bikegirl
Your loyal moderator's brother owns a bike store. One
thing he always says in response to questions like this
is don't buy a "grocery store bike". This means the kind
of bike you'd find at typical box store. This isn't due
to snobbery or wanting to make a sale. It's because there
are usually substantial real issues with these bikes
that show up when they come in for repair.
I highly reccomend alameda bike on park street in alameda.
Owned by a dad (hugely supportive of our schools). Great,
knowledgeable staff. They have a program on smaller bikes
where you trade up for the difference in cost. Our son (at
5?) got a $175 bike. I had many friends advise me away from
bikes from Target etc - made things harder (don't know why
exactly). My son has loved all his bikes and will be getting
a bike with gears soon (he is going on 8, gear bike will be
his 3rd). Good luck
First, I should say that the moderator's brother is very
right - grocery/department store/amazon.com bicycles are
generally assembled by people who don't really know what
they're doing, and they're made with the cheapest of cheap
Your daughter will probably want a small mountain bike -
that's what I'd recommend for stability, versatility, and
Most modern mountain bicycles have at least 21 speeds -
that's 3 in the front and 7 in the back. Those made after
1992 or 1993 generally have 24 speeds, and those made after
about 1999 have 27.
I'd just tell your daughter to only use the rear derailleur
(she will just want to shift with her right hand - not her
left) unless the hill gets super super steep. Shifting can
get complicated for anyone, but be sure to make it clear
that bicycles are designed to be shifted just like a car -
start low, and move to higher numbers as you get going
faster. That'll save her knees and muscles. She'll want to
downshift (back to #2 or #3) as she comes to a stop, every
time - it'll make it easy to start. Sorry if I'm insulting
your intelligence - I just want to make this as clear as
possible for everyone.
If you don't want to spend $500 at a shop, I strongly
recommend browsing the used market for bicycles. Craigslist
has lots of postings every day for them, but it also has a
lot of people snapping up the deals just about as quickly as
they come up. With apologies to my friends who work at
custom shops and smaller brands, and in consideration of the
original poster's budget, you'll want to look for brand
names like 'Trek,' 'Giant,' 'Gary Fisher,' 'Novara,'
'Cannondale,' 'Bridgestone,' 'Raleigh,' 'KHS,' 'Bianchi,'
There are some brand names that have been purchased by
department stores - you'll want to avoid them. 'Schwinn' and
'Mongoose' are two of the biggest - 'GMC' is another that
has popped up recently - and 'Huffy' and 'Magna' can
generally be depended upon to break soon after purchase.
If in doubt, and you think you've found a deal on
Craigslist, just type in the brand name + 'walmart' into
Google - if links to purchase that type of bike come up, I
have to recommend that you avoid it.
Specifically, to get a simple bike that will get your
daughter reliably to and from school, I'd recommend a early
'90s 21 speed bike with a rigid frame (meaning it has no
shocks). Shocks look cool, but realistically need to be
serviced every riding season, have no place in a school
commute, and the good ones cost as much or more than your
entire bicycle budget. I just searched for 'trek mountain
bike' and found a bunch in the $100-$200 range. Any of the
brands I mentioned may require a tuneup, but they'll last
quite a long time, from frame to components. m
4 year old gift - scooter, Skuut or bike?
My daughter is turning four and we want to get her the next
step up from her tricycle. Grandma wants to get her a
three-wheeled scooter. Some friends have balance bikes like
a Skuut. Others seem to go straight for the two-wheeler with
training wheels. She is pretty average in coordination, not
super skilled, and she only rides her tricycle about twice a
week, so wheel time has been a little limited. We want her
to exercise, but not get hurt. What do you recommend, and is
there a brand or style that is best? She has a helmet, but
does she need kneed pads with a scooter? Thanks!
My vote is for skuut; makes the transition to pedal cycling
so much easier. If I can influence it at all I say avoid
scooters, razors, and skateboards on the grounds of high
fall risk and non symetrical repetitive motions in little
developing bodies. kyle
My daughter got a scooter for Christmas 2 years ago, I think
she was about 3.5. She still loves it and rides it
everyday. Even though it is more money I highly recommend
the Swiss scooter called Little Kick. It is easy to figure
out, and much smoother ride than the cheaper ones. It was
the best and most used present she ever got! I got a cheap
razor scooter and sometimes we ride together!
I'd highly recommend going straight to a bike! Get one with
a seat that you can lower all the way and have her feet flat
on the ground.
My son learned at age 4, by rolling down a gentle hill (we
used Kensington Hilltop School's playground), with his feet
'walking', and he gradually started picking up his feet, as
he got used to the feel of balancing. Then he started
coasting with his feet on the pedals, and then he started
You can even take the pedals off, for the first stage. Just
use it like a Skuut. heidilee
For a 4-year old, get a regular bike, ditch the training
wheels, and simply take off the pedals for the first few
months. Use it like a Skuut, then add the pedals later.
Pedal-free/balance bikes are fantastic, but the thing is,
while a 2.5-3 year old will get a year's use out of a
balance bike, a 4-year old will be ready to move up pretty
quickly, and may only need it for 1-3 months. Training
wheels are slow going - kids only learn to lean left and
right on the training wheels, they don't experience balance,
are not gaining confidence, then they get super nervous when
you take off the training wheels. Bikes with no pedals and
no training wheels teach them to balance, and as they
gradually get faster, they lift up their feet a little more,
and gain lots of skill and confidence that way. So, the
happy medium for a 4 year old is to buy a regular bike, but
be sure to look at the pedals to make sure you can remove
them (or when assembling the bike, just don't put them on).
Leave the pedal cranks and other parts in place, just hold
off on the actual pedals. Don't use the training wheels.
Let her use it like a balance bike for a couple of months
and then when she has some confidence and is able to lift up
her feet and coast for several feet, you can ceremonially
attach the pedals. The elementary school playground on the
weekend is a great place to practice. 4 year olds can
handle 2 wheel scooters too. You definitely need the
helmet. Kneepads are not necessary - unless you have a
speedy, fearless kid, the risk to knees at this age is about
the same as running and falling down. Kneepads can be
uncomfortable, so it depends on the kid even being willing
to wear them. Kneepads might be useful if the child has
bare knees, or if wearing long pants, might protect the
knees of the pants from holes (which are inevitable anyway).
Mom of a 5-year-old
Getting the first bike for a 4 year old
My nearly 4 year old son is outgrowing his trike so I
thought it might be time to get him on a bike. I looked at
the REI site about how to teach a kid to ride and thought it
was pretty good--and was planning to take the pedals off
like they suggested. Knowing he's likely to outgrow it
relatively quickly, I don't want to spend a lot but don't
want something that is cheap---inexpensive is ok, cheap
isn't... Where did you go to get your child's first bike
and helmet? What bike did you get? Did you need to go back
for any reason to return it or anything? ready to move on
to the next step....
My daughter's first bike was a hand-me-down, but I'm pretty
sure it was just a $45 Toys R Us bike, and it was great. She
learned how to ride with pedals and without training wheels
at age 4 because the bike was small enough that she could
put her feet down and didn't have far to fall the couple of
times that that happened (this bike was seriously tiny but
had all the working parts of a bigger bike). All her friends
who had bikes 'to grow into' didn't learn to ride without
training wheels until they were 7, when their big bikes
actually fit. Have Fun
Wanted!! Dutch bicycle - but where?
I have been searching high and low for a Dutch bicycle - an
Oma fiets. I see the one that I want online at places like
My Dutch Bike; however, they are outrageously expensive
(well upwards of $900). I've ridden these bicycles my whole
life in Holland where they are not nearly so costly. I
would also be very happy with the Chinese version - the
Flying Pigeon. I have seen them on alibaba.com but am
unfamiliar with that site and it seems I'd have to buy them
in bulk (minimum seems to be 200 bicycles) which, even
though I love them...
I am a woman and am looking for a 28' wheel, medium - large
frame (5'8')& full chain cover.
Google brought up this:
$260 with free shipping.
I feel your pain. I sold my Gazelle when we left the
Netherlands, because I was told by several US bike shops
that they did not think that they could service the fully
enclosed chain. I ended up buying a 'Specialized Globe.'
It had mostly enclosed chain, integrated light, mud guards
on the tires, and a rack over the back tire for my saddle
bag panniers. It also has of the great parts that you would
expect on a Specialized.
They are quite pricey, but you can probably pick up a used
one for a decent price. I sold my '03 model for $325 in
'06. It was a great commute bike. jan
Check out http://www.mydutchbike.com/ in SF
Recommended brands of bikes for 5 year old
I'm looking for a 16'' bike for my almost-5 year old, and am wondering
if there are any
brands that are particularly good (or bad...) I want something that will
last until she's
Honestly, ANY brand is fine at 5 years-old. It is not like
adulthood where you aren't growing and will have a bike for some
time. Your child will likely go through 4-5 bikes by the time
they stop growing so the brand really doesn't matter. Besides,
your child may or may not ride a whole bunch, so perhaps it makes
sense to gauge their interest with the first bike before going
crazy. We started our 4 year-old with a $10 used bike, eventually
removed the training wheels and he had a blast for a year and a
half until it was clearly too small and we moved him to the next
used bike. Our child was delighted just to to have a bike and
rides several times a week. We can afford any bike we want but we
figure as long as the kid is in the ''disposable'' bike phase,
cheap is good.
Used is good
16" bikes that are not hideous?
Our daughter is about to outgrow her little 12'' Radio Flyer
bicycle. Are there any 16'' bikes that are not hideous? I
guess we will start looking hard at out of the way thrift
stores for a vintage ride, but has anyone seen a little
training wheel bike with a retro cool style? Note to bicycle
companies--this is an over-looked niche!
We found a Giant 16'' mountain bike style bicycle at Hank and
Frank's on College that is relatively gender neutral and simple
compared to a lot of what's out there. We have a girl and a boy
and wanted them to be able to use the same bike. My husband is a
bike geek and former bicycle mechanic and nixed my idea of getting
a vintage bike (I also wanted one for aesthetic reasons). The
older bikes are heavier, clunkier and could have alignment issues,
bends, cracks, etc. that will not be visible to the untrained eye.
More stylish looking but probably not as fun or easy for the
little ones to ride.
A store with a good assortment of bikes
I would go to Alameda Bicycle Shop in Alameda on Park Street. They have
terrific customer service and lots of different size bikes. They cost more
than what you would pay for at Target, etc. But the bikes are made well
and they have a trade in program where you can bring the bike back for the
next size up (and have a credit towards the next bike). I think they
donate the used bike to some charitable organization. This trade in
program is good because we just bought my daughter a bike during Christmas
and she has already out grown it!
Good quality Bike for 5 year old
Hello! We will buying a bike for our five year old in a few
months. He has not yet learned to ride a two-wheel bike. Can
anyone recommend a very durable two wheeler with removable training
wheels? We would like to buy a bike of good quality that can
withstand a lot of use and also be passed down to our younger son
when our older son outgrows it. Thanks!
Wheels of Justice in Montclair is a great bike shop. Good
service, and they have a program for kids bikes where you can
upgrade as they grow at a discount.
Bryan in Oakland
Head down to REI. They have great bikes there. They assemble
your bike and training wheels come standard w/ many of the
smaller bikes. My husband researched reviews of Toys-R-Us bikes
and there were some unhappy campers who felt that the quality of
the Toys-R-Us bikes wasn't up to par. The bikes at REI are a
bit pricier but as with most things, you get what you pay for.
Hi, a couple of months ago we bought the Trek Jet 16 for my son,
at a local bike shop. You can easily find pictures on the web.
It's not cheap, a bit over $150 I think we paid, but it's VERY
rugged and sturdy, it should last forever. He's using it with
the training wheels now but they can be taken off. He loves
riding it! Good luck.
A great bike for your needs is a Huffy. Nothing fancy is needed.
We got a free Huffy from another family that had used it for
their 3 kids and we used it for our daughter. I put new tires on
and rigged up a hand brake plus got a set of good quality
training wheels. The bike is still in awesome shape and should
last for many more kids. The kids grow pretty fast and soon
outgrow the first bike and even the second bike so I wouldn't
get too fancy until bike #3. We went overboard on #2 spending
$250 for a bike with gears she soon outgrew. If you truly ride
alot a Huffy should be fine. Any U.S. made bike should be
adequate. There used to be a JC Higgins bike that was bullet
proof too. Check out Sears, avoid the imports.
Bike for city use
We're looking for something like what in Germany is called a
trekking bike: something between a road (racing) bike and a
mountain bike. Basically a bike for mostly city use but maybe some
longer road trips. And we can't seem to find anything that fits the
bill. Most of what are billed as city or urban bikes that we've
seen are heavy-weight and have huge tires like a mountain bike. Any
suggestions about where to find bikes other than road or mountain
ready to roll
Maybe you've found it by now, but what you're looking for is
called a touring bike in the US. It's more comfortable than a
road racing bike, and can accommodate racks, fenders, and
whatnot. Missing Link on Shattuck usually has a few, and the
REI brand Novarra has a good touring model. Velosport on
University Ave is a really nice bike shop; I imagine they have
some touring bikes or can advise you well. There's actually a
whole subculture built around good commuting bikes; check our
rivbike.com for a taste (and beautiful, high-end bikes!).
Surly makes awesome city bikes, too. As for the fat tires,
don't hate on them too much. As long as they're smooth, not
knobby, they can be super comfy for uneven pavement and
occasional gravel. I just switched my tires out for big fat
street slicks last weekend.
Bikes - Get what you pay for?
I'm going to be buying a bike soon (and a bike trailer for my 2
kids). My husband has a very nice bike but it cost a lot of
money. Times are tight for us financially and I see all these
bikes for sale at Target or Walmart. Is there anything wrong
with them? They are a lot less money than going to a bike store.
I'm looking to get a mountain bike or hybrid. I very much doubt
I'll be doing any hard-core mountain biking - it will primarily
be used as a tool for biking to the store and parks. I don't
want to completely rule out use of the bike on trails though.
Who knows, maybe someday I'll get fit enough to do that.
Anyway, I was hoping to hear from some of you bike experts
whether or not getting a cheaper bike isn't worth it in the long
run (extra repairs etc). Also, if you had any advice as to what
kind of bike I should look at (brand/model) that would be great too!
Cheap yet Practical
Run, don't walk, to Recycle Bicycle on Sacramento Street in
Berkeley. For the purposes you describe, there's just no need to
buy a new bicycle--especially a low-grade one. For less than the
price of a new bike at Target or Costco, you can get an excellent
used bicycle that will be of higher quality and last you for
ages. The folks at Recycle Bicycle are outstanding and will
actually help to put together a bike from their vast collection
of parts, suited precisely to your needs. They warranty their
used bikes, and you can come back within three months for a free
tune-up. We recently purchased a bike for my wife at this spot,
and couldn't be happier. Save yourself the money and the
I don't believe that you always get what you pay for -- but when
it comes to bikes, that's definitely been my experience. This
isn't to say you need to spend thousands of dollars, but that
paying a bit extra to get a bike from a good shop, and not from a
big-box retail store, is well worth it in terms of service, fit
I wouldn't think so much about brand -- at a given price point,
and if you're not looking to race or do anything terrible
serious, the different major brands are going to be very similar
-- but about the shop. Go somewhere where they don't make you
feel like a jerk for asking questions and where they offer a
service guarantee. All bikes break; you want to go somewhere
where they'll fix it for you when yours does!
My best experience has been with CycleSports on Grand. They seem
to strike the best combination of inventory, price, service and a
friendly feel. And I promise I don't work for them!
I highly recommend looking into used bikes! Craig's list, BPN
When pulling a trailer or trail-a-bike, it can make a big difference
to have a lighter bike with good gearing! If I were you, I would go
to a bike store and get sized. While you are there, you can educate
yourself about what is available and what things cost. Once you know
exactly what you want, go to Craigslist and look for a bike there. I
have seen a ton of reasonably priced, decent bikes there! Good luck
and have fun!
I would not recommend getting a bike at Target/Walmart for many
reasons having to with corporate plundering of communities (you
probably understand the issues involved with these
mega-corporations). In addition, their bikes are of the lowest
quality, unless they sell ''name brands'', which than I would still
not recommend due to the above reasons. I would recommend going to a
local bike shop, such as the cooperatively owned Missing Link in
Berkeley. They have hybrid bikes at very low prices, plus you get
personal service related to post purchase, bike maintenance; this is
very valuable unless you wrench your own bikes. You will absolutely
NOT GET post purchase bike care to count on at these places. Good luck
& happy riding !!
The bikes at Target / Walmart are crappy, and more importantly
they are usually incompetently assembled (dangerously so)
Many bikes shops are also worth avoiding for the sloppy/rude
customer service and lackadaisical stoner dudes on staff.
My advice is go to Missing Link at Shattuck / University and talk
over the choices with their staff - they're all nice low-pressure
folk. At least go look and ask their advice - you'll pay
slightly more than at Target or Wally World, but it will be a
much better bike with better components that has been properly
assembled. I think Missing Link offer a free tune up in the first
year. Remember, no bike shop is interested in adjusting and
fixing that crappy Target bike that you bought purely on initial
Missing link also has another store across the street where they
sell used bikes - might be worth looking.
I have no connection to Missing Link, I just think they're
straight shooters in a business that unfortunately has more than
it's fair share of flakes.
One last thing - DO NOT buy a bike at Karim Cyclery on Telegraph.
Great question! Yes, there is a difference between the bikes at
Walmart etc. and bike shop bikes. Box store bikes are much
heavier and the parts are lower quality. I live on campus and I
see a lot of these bikes. They weigh a ton (which makes them much
harder to ride) and their brakes and gear shifters are so cheap
they are often frozen--totally unusable.
If you need a cheap bike, check Craigslist. Good names are
Specialized, Bianchi, Trek, Cannondale, Diamondback, Gary
Fischer, Giant, Jamis, Marin, Raleigh.
If I were you I would go to a bike shop and get fitted. Just find
out what size frame they recommend. It will take 2 minutes. Then
keep checking Craigslist to see if a bike that has that size
frame is for sale. Usually, any bike that is even listed with the
frame size is a ''real'' bike. Also, I think Missing Link Bike Shop
in Berkeley has a used bike division where they sell used bikes
that have been fixed up by their great mechanics. That will be a
thousand times better than a Walmart bike and should last you a
I am no bike expert, but I do have a few tips that you might
find helpful: I am tall, and I ride a bike that has a seat that
is the right size... but the handlebars are too low, and it is
very uncomfortable, so I would find out what a proper fit is for
you, and then see if that Target bike works. Second, I have
learned that tires make a difference -- I always thought those
large, chunky tires looked cool... but turns out they're for the
mountain, and the standard, smooth-looking tires are for city-
biking, and believe it or not, it makes a big difference. That
and correct tire pressure.
FYI, I have a Blue Bird bike trailer, and am very happy with it!
I think you do get what you pay for. Go to REI or Performance bike
shop on San Pablo- talk to them about what you are looking for- get an
idea for what you want as an entry level bike for your needs. Check
out Craigslist for used bkies and the Missing Link in Berkeley. I
would really discourage buying a bike from target or walmart for what
you are talking about. Towing one,or two kids in a trailer or just
groceries in a trailer is quite a bit of extra weight, I do it with a
cruiser and it is quite a slog at times and I am reasonably fit. I
push for finding a decent used bike that can suit your needs before a
cheap bike. Be comfortable on it so you really enjoy those
rides/errands and it will be far more enjoyable and easier to
integrate cycling into your daily life. If you aren't comfortable on
the bike you may really start to dread the ride- and that is not the
yes, you get what you pay for. I bought a 12-speed for my son at
Target, and could never get the brakes adjusted properly so they
would stop the bike. Tried to get professional help, and none of
the ''real'' bike stores would even look at repairing a ''department
store'' bike. I wound up getting another at The Pedaler in El
Sobrante, and it's working great.
Got little kids - Should I keep my mountain bike?
For about a year I have had trouble trying to decide whether or not to
mountain bike and I thought the input of others farther along the parenting
could help me finally do it. Before I had kids, I was very active and
invested in a
really nice bike. I loved riding it. But I haven't done any serious
riding for six years,
ever since the kids were born, and now we will be moving and I'm wondering
worth it to keep this space-eating bike. My kids are still little, and
still aren't able
to really bike anywhere rugged. We don't take them farther than around the
couple of times and I feel better just jogging along with them so I can
grab them if
they get too close to the street. I think that if I keep the bike much
will be very little resale value (maybe it's already hopelessly out of
date?), and I
should just get a cruising bike after we move. But if I sell it, I might
that kind of money on a bike again. It's a really nice bike. I wonder if
I will ever go
back to my super active lifestyle. Now it seems to take so much just to
couple of hours a week at the gym. Has anyone experienced something
Thanks for the ideas
Two thoughts about your bike: first, a well-maintained bike
will last forever, and will be useful forever. It may not have
the latest bells and whistles, but that will never stop you from
having a great ride on it. Second, get a used Burley trailer,
toss the kids in, and away you go. The kids will enjoy it (at
least up to about age three or so) and you'll get a killer
workout. And when the kids outgrow it, use it to go grocery
shopping. If you sell your bike, I predict you'll kick yourself
We have the same problem, lack of space, but for now we're
keeping one bike around in case someone needs to run an errand
with it. Kind of a pain, but I'm glad we have it once in a while
(it's not super nice, but would be $$ to replace).
I'm more familiar with road bikes but there are things in common.
First, go to your local bike shop and check Craig's List
regarding how out-of-date your bike is. 6 years is old for a
good road bike but I'm not familiar enough with mountain bikes.
While you're there, look at new bikes in a similar price range
and see how they compare to yours. If you really do love yours
and it doesn't seem so deficient compared to new bikes, I'd say
to keep it. In my bike club there are members who reminisce
about the bike they shouldn't have gotten rid of.
One important consideration: if your bike isn't perfect for you,
try to find out whether the parts in question are upgradable.
Standard sizing changes over time, making some upgrades
impossible. But in that regard, 6 years doesn't sound like a
problem to me.
Hope this helps. E-mail me if you want more ideas. I've been
there, with both road bikes and my hygrid bike (now 14 years old).
I forgot to reply to the parenting aspect of this question: I
have only one child who requires a lot of my time now. I used my
hybrid bike to shuttle her to preschool and now use it with a
pedal trailer to bring her home from her afterschool program 2
days/week. When I want exercise, I use my road bike. It's
easier to change into cycling clothes and go cycling straight
from our house than to go to a gym for exercise. Even if that
turns out to be once a week, it's worth it to me to have a bike I
Family friendly local bike shop
Despite the fact that there are a lot of well-regarded
independent bike shops in the Berkeley area, I have yet to find
one that is family friendly (outwardly encouraging and showing
interest in young kids who walk into the store, and not just
because they stock high-end kids bikes) and inviting to cycling
novices like myself--seems like these places do a good job of
supporting the local biking community, but make outsiders feel
like non-entities. I think I'm civil and not shy at asking a lot
of questions in the stores, but my experience has been that the
guys who work there don't seem too forthcoming or enthusiastic
about sharing information. Maybe they're so cautious about not
appearing like they're doing the hard sell, that instead they act
like they DON'T WANT to sell me anything at all! And I'm like,
hello--I'm willing to BUY something if you'd just SELL it to me!
Does such a place exist in Berkeley? Been to Velo Sport, Solano
Ave. Cyclery, Wheels of Justice (in Montclair)--haven't had bad
experiences in any of these places per se, but just not stellar
enough to make me a return customer, either.
Trying to support local bike shops and not Wal-Mart
I don't know exactly what you're looking for but I like Mike's
Bikes. I am a super beginner, don't know anything about my bike
except how to ride it. When I go there they have never made me
feel inadequate or in any other way defective because I don't
know all there is to know about 2-wheelin' fun. Good luck!
2135 University Ave
Berkeley, CA 94704
i think Left Coast Cycle is the friendliest shop
in town. it's a joy just going through their front door,
never feeling ignored or blasted by attitude.
located across from the claremont hotel a couple
doors from peets coffee.
Try LEFT COAST CYCLERY in Berkeley, right across from the
Claremont Hotel, on the same block as Peet's. I've had great
experiences with them, though not specifically regarding kids
bikes. They're a small locally owned shop, so they may not have a
huge selection, BUT they are very helpful, friendly, good people
and they may be just what you're looking for! Call ahead and pick
their brain a bit. Definitely worth checking them out! Here's
LEFT COAST CYCLERY
2928 Domingo Ave.
Mike's Bikes in Berkeley on University is where we go now. Great
for service, not sure how they are with sales. Hank and Frank on
College in Oakland is OK for information, but I wasn't happy
with their service. Bought bikes at Velo, but didn't like the
vibe there; too ''professional recreational'' perhaps (they would
probably be nicer if we were buying the $1500 ride!).
Family of bikers
Montano Velo on Piedmont Ave is great -- their staff is really
kind and easy to work with and are willing to work with people
with a variety of needs -- they won't try to upsell you either.
I highly recommend them.
Had a great experience at Left Coast Cycle recently buying a
kid's bike helmet. The person was very helpful and knowledgeable, showed
me their least expensive helmet first, and explained what
you get if you spend more. This was a contrast to my experience
buying a kid's bike a couple months ago at Hank and Franks, where I got a teenager who
seemed to know nothing about little kids' bikes, in fact seemed
pretty uninterested in the whole notion of little kids on bikes,
and suggested a wildly expensive bike without mentioning the
many other less expensive bikes on display!
I just had a now-I-am-a-forever-loyal-customer experience with Solano
have a Burley trailer that someone gave us. I was taking it apart to
replace some parts
and discovered that a piece of the frame had cracked. Solano Cyclery was
friendly, took time right away to inspect the trailer, and got me the
piece for free
despite lack of warranty info! Can't beat that. They also sell kids
helmets, safety stuff,
seats, and Kettler tricycles. They were great with my 11-month-old, too
-- no attitude.
Buying a bike for a four year old
I am considering a bicycle for my four year old daughter either
this summer for her birthday or I'll wait until Christmas.
Not only do I not know what size to buy her, I don't know if it
is too early for such a gift. While I know of kids younger and
smaller than her with bikes (she is pretty tall for nearly
four; wears size six clothes) my concerns are twofold. First,
will she be old enough (motor skills and balance) to enjoy the
prospect of riding even with the training wheels and how long
will a small bike made for a four year old last her?
I'd like advice on how to fit a bike (should I decide to do it
and I'd like advice on what age kids seem to take to bikes.
I'm not expecting her to learn to ride it solo, I just want it
to be a gift she is old enough to enjoy. Last, when would I
expect to replace this bike because she has outgrown it? If
most four year olds outgrow their bikes by 5 1/2 I'd probably
wait a year to get a bigger bike that will last us a while.
Thanks for any advice.
mama likes to bike
Try REI in Berkeley or Marin. They helped fit my 4 yr old daughter with
her first bike with training wheels. She still uses it (one year later
with slight adjustment to the seat) bike mom
Your daughter is surely ready to ride a bike. I suggest taking her with
you so that the size is right. And, I also suggest getting the bike at
Wheels of Justice in Montclair.
They have a $25 upgrade for future bike sizes, as needed. And, the
staff is extremely helpful and knowledgeable about kids and bikes and
safety, etc -Have fun!!
Go to Wheels of Justice in Montclair. They know all about fitting kids
with bikes and have lots of time to talk to you and answer all your
questions. They also have an awesome program when your kid is ready for
the next size bike you can trade your old one in for the full value of
what you paid.
Hi - I encourage you to get your daughter a bike. We have had a ton of
fun teaching our 4 year old son to ride his bike. He got a 15'' wheel
size Trek bike for Christmas (his birthday is in March so he was a
little under 4). He had no problem at all riding with the training
wheels and in fact, we were so encouraged, that we took them off after 2
months and he is now riding along without training wheels. Admittedly,
my husband spent alot of weekends taking him to the empty schoolyard and
running alongside him, and we had to encourage him and praise him for
getting back on after he fell down. I would recommend going to a bike
shop to have your daughter try out the different sizes. I asked the bike
shop the difference between the expensive Trek and the $30 Target bought
bike and they said that cheaper bikes tend to be heavier and that can
make it harder for kids to learn. Not sure if this is true or not but we
got my son the Trek and he was riding without training wheels in less
than 6 months. We have alot of fun and are now going for family bike
we bought our kids bikes as soon as they seemed interested in trying to
get on others when available. i think it was around 3, so 4 is certainly
not too early to get a 2 wheeler with training wheels. both my kids
rode before 5.
one thing you should consider is that if they don't practice, unless
they are really extraordinary, they won't take to it magically at any
something that we noticed was that razor scooters helped tremendously
with balance and/or a tag-a-long bike that attaches to your bike so you
can ride together, was also a great learning experience. i think the
combo really lent itself to comfort on a bike. i would also not even
bother getting something too large to grow into. no matter the child's
height, they'll be too far off the ground with a large bike, so get the
smallest one that they can fit on, and raise the seat as they go. you
can find them used and that's just fine for a learning bike, and then
when they can ride well, get the lovely ''dream'' bike. with a growing
kid, a year and a half per bike size isn't really unreasonable, they
grow, and should have appropriate sized equipment to ride.
I have experience and a strong opinion on this. My advice is do not buy
a training-wheel bike for the child to ''grow into.''
Doing so will only prolong the time the child needs training wheels. A
four year old should have a 12'' bike, and start her on riding without
training wheels right before she turns five.
By the time she is 5.5 or 6, and proficient without training wheels,
move up to a 16'' bike. I've seen a lot of sad six year olds who still
need training wheels because their first bike was too big --mom of a
little no-training wheel rider
4 years old is not too young for a bike with training wheels in my
experience. We got one for my daughter at 4 and she could use it right
away. My son got on my daughters bike before he turned 3, so we got him
one for his third birthday. One friend advised me to skip the tricycle
and go right to training wheel bike. I think the key is your child
having lots of opportunities to ride the bike. As for size of wheel -
both of my kids started on a 16 inch and they are both still fine
sizewise 1.5 years later. My kid are very average sized, some friends
who bought bikes later got 20 inch as they had bigger kids. Hope that
helps Happy Riding
I have seen a children's bike called Like A Bike. Here is one
link to try:
It is a small wooden frame with two wheels, low to the ground, and no
pedals. Your 4-year old can learn balance by coasting along and pushing
with her feet. She'll gain confidence too, that will help her better
adapt to her next bike.
I think bikes are like strollers, you may get a bunch of them over
I think it totally depends on how interested your daughter is in bike
riding. Most kids, it seems, ride with training wheels for a while
before they take them off -- age
5 seems to be a common age for riding solo, though many do it later than
that. I think it really helps to have them ride with training wheels for
a bit before trying to get the balance thing down - -just learning how
to steer, stop, look ahead of where you're riding, etc takes a lot of
practice without trying to maintain your balance.
I bought my son his first bike with training wheels when he was 4, took
the training wheels off at 5, and he STILL rides this bike now at age 7.
He is a bit small, but I have found that he is much happier and more
confident riding a bike that is a bit small than one that is too big.
Those small bikes don't have to be a huge monetary investment -- I found
ours through BPN.
I recently took my almost 5 year old boy down to a bike shop with me to
tune up a bicycle I planned to ride. I asked some of the very questions
you are asking to the bike shop specialist and he fit a bike to my child
while we were there. I ended up buying this bike for him on the spot
and we were up riding that afternoon at the Lawrence Hall of Science!
He absolutely loves it. His comments were something like, ''wow, I'm a
bike rider!'' and ''this is the most fun I've had, ever!'' Prior to
this, he'd shown very little interest in bicycles. My suggestion: take
your child to a bike shop and try 'em out Richele
about to buy my 7 1/2 year old daughter her first (new)
bike without training wheels. it seems my choices are target
for $30-$40 or else any of several bike shops for $100-$150. i
don't particularly mind spending the extra money, but when i
asked the bike shops what i would be getting for the extra
money, the best they could come up with was that they will put
the bike together better and i'll have less need for repairs.
i'd much appreciate any experience or words of wisdom on
this topic. thanks...
If you want to buy a bicycle for your child, do not -- DO NOT -- buy a bike from anywhere else
than a bike shop. I have been working for an attorney who is representing families from 10
states who have purchased bikes at Target, K-Mart, WalMart and Toys R Us. Many of these children
suffered serious injuries, including brain damage and loss of limbs. Why? Because the bikes sold
from these discount retailers are made of defective parts and are put together by people who
don't know what they're doing. While you may be saving money in the short-term, the actual costs
are horrible to consider. It is a shame that many families have no option but to buy from these
big stores because (a) that's all they can afford, or (b) it's the only bike shop within 50
miles. We have choices. Pay the money and save your child. Don't cut corners when it comes to a
bicycle. It's not a toy.
I am considering buying a 12'' bicycle for my 2.5 year old, and would
appreciate recommendations for or against different brands. The
prices range from $30 at toy stores to $120 and up at bicycle shops. I
know you pay for what you get and the more expensive bikes are really
nice and look they can last longer. but will my son tell the
difference? are there any recommendations for specific brands/models?
I highly recommend getting his first bike at Wheels of Justice in Montclair. About $120, but
they upgrade to the next size (twice!) for $25 each time. 3-5 years worth of great bikes for
$170! And, the service, tune-ups, and plain old knowledge the staff has is the best!
We bought our son a 12'' Specialized bike at Wheels of Justice in Montclair, when he was 2.9
years old. They have fantastic service and although the initial cost is a bit more pricey than
a Target bike (for example) they have a buy up program. When your child outgrows the bike, just
bring it in for the next size and pay only the difference between the new price and what you
originally paid (probably around $20). They then donate the old bike to charity. Another perk
is that your bike may be serviced free of charge. Jodi
IMHO a bike from Target, Walmart or TRU will work the best for that age or for the 7.5 yo in the
next posting. At that age they outgrow bikes so quickly, I don't believe in spending alot of
money. Better to save the nice bike for the 11-13 yo when they are hopefully more responsible
and will take better care of it. Sometimes toy consignment shops will have bikes (try Toy
Safari on Park Street in Alameda) or sometimes your local police department will sell bikes that
have been recovered but not claimed by their original owners at a parking lot sale
Bike with hand brakes for 6 Year Old?
My tall six year old daughter is ready for a 20'' bike. But my
question is, should I get her a real bike with only handbreaks
and gears, or should I get her one that still has a coaster brake
and few to no gears. I'm thinking the former will save me having
to buy two bikes instead of just one, but that the latter may be
too much for her at six. Any advice from bike types out there?
Also, any good places to find used bikes? Thanks.
My 6 year old son just learned to ride his bike without training
wheels (yippee!). I took off the hand brakes a while ago because
his hand grip wasn't strong enough to stop the bike. That's
something you may want to consider! He uses coaster brakes and
has a lot of fun skidding around. I imagine any kid's bike you'll
find will have both options (hand and foot brake) on the bike.
I'm looking to buy a bike for my 11-year-old daughter and was
wondering how much I should expect to spend and where I ought to
shop. Is it realistic to get a bike now that my daughter will
still be able to ride when she's older? This would factor into
my decision about how much money to invest in this purchase. I'm
hesitant to spend top dollar for a great bike if she'll out grow
it in a couple of years, or perhaps lose interest in riding it.
Yet I don't want to throw good money away by buying something
cheap that won't work well and thus encourage her to give up
riding. Are there any stores that sell a decent bike in the mid-
range? And is it too much to hope that such a store would also
have knowledgeable sales people to help me find the right size
and features? Any advice/recommendations, both good and bad, are
We have bought bikes for both of our children at Missing Link on
Shattuck (near University) in Berkeley. While they might be a
bit more expensive than other places (bikes were around $120), we
have been very pleased with the care that the employees take in
making sure the bike fits now and that it will be good for the
future. They are quite helpful and friendly.
Bikes nowadays are fantastic. A mid-range bike will last a lot longer nowadays than
the mid-range bikes of ten years ago. I strongly encourage you to go to a local bike
shop to make your purchase, not a department store. The salespeople will know
what they are talking about, and their service plans are better. I once saw a bike in
a department store with the front forks mounted backwards! Oops.
If you are up the Oakland way, Cycle Sport on Grand Ave near the movie theatre is
one of the best bike shops around. Out Berkeley way, I would probably drive out to
Oaklan, but if not, check out Mike's Bikes on University near Shattuck. A lot of
people like The Missing Link, but I have always found them to be not as helpful.
After the sales people give you their schpiel, any mid-range bike will keep you
happy for many years. Go with the one with the best colors! And buy a helmet!!
Good luck and happy biking.
We've had great luck at Hank and Frank's on COllege. They are very helpful,
have a wide range of prices, and the salespeople actually talk to the kids
and find out what they want/need, and do so very respectfully. They also
will repair any bike bought from them for free (you may have to pay for
parts) for the lifetime of the bike.
I've seen the bike-store reviews on the website, but am curious
re two shops close to my home that I didn't see mentioned
there: Solano Avenue Cyclery in Berkeley/Albany, and Velo
Sport Bicycles, on MLK in Berkeley. The reviews for The
Missing Link are so glowing, is there even any reason to try
these other shops? Thanks!
Both Solano Cycles and VeloSports are Excellent stores. If you're a serious road cyclist, Peter Rich of VeloSports is your man. Solano Cycles has a bit more of a ''family cyclery'' feel to it.
While I like the CONCEPT of Missing Link, my experience with customer service there has been a little sketchy. Better you should patronize someplace local, IMHO.
My ex-husband has been a bicyclist for many years and the
owner of Velo Sport is an old bike buddy of his. He has
always gone there to get advice and even track down a
custom bike builder. He would defintely recommend it.
My husband and I have been using Velo Sports on MLK for several
years, both to purchase and to modify bikes, and we have been
very satisfied. They are very knowledgable and down to earth
folks who won't try to sell you something you don't need.
I am in search of a 12'' bike with training wheels for my 3 year old
I would like to find one that isn't too gender specific. Most of the bike
in which I have shopped do not have a wide range of kids bikes in stock --
bikes start at size 16''. Does anyone know if there is a store in the Bay
which specializes in kids bikes-- or at least carries a few 10'', 12'' or
I have also checked the Parents website to no avail. Thank you in advance.
You probably can't find small bikes in a bike store, because most of them
are sold at mass-market toy stores. TRU in Emeryville has a huge selection
of bikes, Target in San Leandro also has a lot of little bikes. You don't
need a high end bike for a three year old, save your money for the bike
that they get at 7 or 8 when they are riding it all the time. A friend who
used to work at a bike shop says the main difference between a lousy bike
and a good bike is how well it's assembled. You can get one of the more
expensive bike shops to assemble the bike you bought at TRU and check for
Given that, I am assuming you have checked at Missing Link and asked them
the same question. They seem to be genuinely helpful and could direct you
Bike Riding Mom
Someone asked recently about where to buy non-gender specific
bikes. I was in Hank and Franks on College (near Claremont
in Oakland) on Saturday and they had a few red and blue bikes
in small sizes with training wheels. We also had a very nice
experience with the staff there... We brought my sons four year
old bike in and they were very good with my son (addressed
him directly, helped him to give the information that they
needed and were generally nice). They have a lifetime labor
warranty on the bike which ends up being a very good deal for
kids who are very hard on their bike with somewhat inept
My daughter turns 4 this spring and we
want to get her a bike with training wheels. She's tall for her age, 43" in
Where have other parents shopped for a bike? I know some of our fine local
shops carry children's bikes, but they are very expensive. Where can a person
find a nice little bike (decent quality) without breaking the bank?
Toy's R Us or SportsMart
We bought a purple "Little Mermaid" bike at Toys R Us in Pinole for our
daughter (then 3 1/2 years old) for about $40. She has been successfully
riding it for 18 months now. My husband wasn't very happy about the "Little
Mermaid" stickers all over the bike, so we took some of them off to give it
more of a gender-neutral. less promotional look. It's very hard to find a
bike that doesn't look too feminine or too masculine. The bike seems to
perform very well - she can ride pretty fast and stays steady on the bike.
Her friend, who got a cheaper bike at Target -(a Huffy I think?) has had more
difficulties riding because his bike is hard to pedal and the chain does not
stay on the bike well. He is often frustrated by riding - and often doesn't
want to ride at all. I would advise staying away from the models that have
the chains covered with a plastic shield like that of my daughter's friend.
If you go to a specialty bike shop (like Missing Links, Start to Finish )
you'll end up paying over $100 for a bike of great quality like Trek -but my
husband felt it was too much to spend for I bike that wouldn't be ridden for
Is there anywhere in the East Bay to test drive one of those
electric bicycles (e-bikes)? I can find plenty of shops down
around San Jose but nothing up here.
And does anyone have experience with an e-bike? I want
something for zipping around the perimeter of the Cal
a lazy environmentalist
Have you tried The Pedaler in El Sobrante? See www.theped.com
for phone number and directions.
From: Peter (9/98)
Recently, I discovered The Bent Spoke (a few blocks south of
Karim on Telegraph). They too carry used bikes and clunker bike parts but
are always helpful and pleasant. A few weeks ago, they
had their first annual "garage sale" at which they sold lots of bikes
and bike paraphernalia for super low prices. I recommend them (and
Missing Link) heartily.
From: Wendy (9/98)
Responding to the posting about Karim's Cycles, I would also like to
plug the Missing Link. The Link is also a long-time locally owned
business, a cooperative, and very supportive of do-it-yourselfers. They
offer classes in bike maintenance, make space, advice and tools
available for bike owners, and are generally helpful. For those with
older bikes, Walt is a particular resource. We've been patrons here for
about 15 years, and if we've occasionally paid more (which I really
doubt, overall), it's been well worth it.
From: Heather (9/98)
Regarding Karim, your experience
does not appear to be exceptional. Also like you, I have nothing but good
things to say about the Missing Link.
From: Jocelyn (4/98)
We've had good luck with Missing Link (on Shattuck, just north of
University, on the west side of the street). The people who work there
are really friendly and knowledgeable, and have always been willing to
give us advice when we go in there (I bought my bike there).
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