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Too Much Homework

Sept 1999

I would like to open a discussion of the amount of homework assigned. My daughter (a BHS freshman) struggles with quite a bit of homework each night and is already falling behind and feeling overwhelmed. Mostly because of her own poor study habits, but partly because I work and she isn't able to get to a "disciplined" place to do her homework until 6:00 pm or so, she ends up being up until 11:00 or later almost every night and each morning it is harder to get up and she still doesn't have the work done. She routinely has homework in Math, Spanish, English, History, Intro to Comm Tech and Drama, almost every night. Weekends are a drag because we have so many errands to run and other things to do and we never get to plan any fun days because the homework is always hanging over us. I'm tired of seeing my kids having bags under their eyes and being as stressed out as I am. They work a pretty long day at school and then devote almost all evening to more work. Anyone else think it is too much? At least in Junior High, the classes were staggered so they had homework every other night in each class. I'd love to hear your opinions.


I would like to reply to the mother who thought that too much homework was being assigned. I feel that my daughter has just about the right amount (English, world history, honors geometry, Latin, drama). But she comes right home and does it throughout the afternoon with a few breaks. Then in the evening, when she's tired, she gets to relax if everything's all done.

You say that your daughter can't get to a "disciplined" place until 6:00. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Is she coming home by herself or is she hanging out somewhere? Could she go to the Berkeley Public Library? If she is waiting until she's tired to do her homework, no wonder she's having problems. I don't have any suggestions. I just want to say that I don't want to see less homework. I hope you find a solution.

There are various "homework clubs" that I have seen mentioned around the city. Is there any such thing at BHS? Perhaps one could be started if lack of a place to do homework is a wide-spread problem.

Jenifer


I was told by Ms. Saunders that she has no control over how much homework the teachers assign their students, just as she has no control over what they choose to teach (she cited the "ed code" to me). My experience with teachers is that they won't even listen if you suggest they are assigning too many hours-worth of homework. My daughter had one history teacher who assigned at least an hour of homework every night "because I know the kids are spending that on their science homework and I think history should be just as important" and, believe me, most of that history homework was pointless. My advice would be to find a way for your daughter to get started earlier (maybe at the library) and to get used to a different rhythm at home. My daughter, too, spent hours and hours on homework, but now she's at a really great college. Helen
Your own words captured the problem: poor study habits. You and your daughter have to realize that YOUR DAUGHTER has to accept responsibility for her actions. Her fulltime job, while she is under your auspices, is to attend school and get an education. Your job, while she is on school, is to help her to realize that her choices create consequences.
I have the opposite problem. My son is a freshman and he has, or rather claims to have, only about 15 minutes of homework every night. There are all kinds of reasons like "the teacher didn't have time to assign any" and "we did it in class" and "we had a test today so there isn't any". I am pretty sure, based on previous experience, that he is blowing it off. But what can I do? He already isn't allowed to go to friends' after school, only gets 2 hours of TV for the week, can't play video games during the week, etc. So he does his 10 minutes of math homework and 5 minutes of reading and then he just sits around reading comic books for a few hours. Options for me: call his friends, call the teachers, sign him up for afterschool tutoring ... I kind of feel like he's in high school now and I'm kind of tired of doing this kind of monitoring, which never has been very effective in the past anyhow. Sigh.
Toooooo much homework! I agree and disagree with your concerns. First, I am in the same situation--don't get home until after 6, but my daughter is a junior and has been on the varsity soccer and softball teams since her freshman year, so discipline and time management have always been a must in order to keep her grades up. Nevertheless, she wants a social life, and suffers for it by partying with friends on weekends leaving Sunday from about 4pm to 1am for homework. I supervise UCB students. Here's a tip from one of my Cal students, a senior with great study habits, great grades, with a job working at least 12 hours a week: does his "hard" stuff first (the writing, calculating, labored work); leaves reading for last which he says takes hours. So, first, divide up the homework and get it started right after school (may have to give up some time hanging out with friends after school). Homework is a reality in college, high school, and even elementary school where my son is in 3rd grade and gets homework every night. My daughter does her homework in the car, on the ski slopes (not literally), on a soccer field (literally), etc. Freshman year is a really tough adjustment, but believe me it will get easier and academically harder (a "two-edged sword"). Give guidelines (e.g., splitting up homework by doing the easiest or hardest first; go to the library every day, a very "disciplined" place to do homework, with you picking her up from there in the evenings), and adjust your lifestyle by making academics the top priority.

To be honest, I don't think high school students are in school long enough. What should they be doing, in any event, if they spend less time in school? High school teens are the very best at wasting time doing what they do best--"kicking" it with friends. My feeling here is if they were in school all day (not just hearing lectures but given assignments to work on in class) with the proviso they not get homework except for reading and/or special projects, then they could come home and pretty much leave the classroom behind them. I just saw an interesting story on "60 Minutes" about a public middle school in South Bronx, New York, where they "contract" with parents, teachers and the student to be in school all day (at least 8 hours) and on weekends. The achievement level of these students has skyrocketed, especially impressive is the number of novels/books they read in a school year (over 20, I recall). This idea sounds extreme, but for many minorities who feel Caucasians have an academic edge, it is on target for catching up and going beyond in academics, targeting junior high school age kids whose intellects can be shaped to work hard and absorb knowledge. In Japan, they have always had a tradition of long school hours, but the problem is there are no alternatives to this tradition. I don't like seeing my child stressed, but I feel for her future it's up to me to focus on the long vision and hers to deal with the now and to learn to deal with stress. I keep the long vision in focus by reminding her often that academics is the priority over sports and a social life (she may not see this as helpful, but I enforce this philosophy). There are no easy solutions really, just the knowledge that hard work will eventually bring great results, in anything, including academics. "Fun" is no longer a priority but becomes the reward for working hard.


Too much homework? My son (10th grade) barely has any! He didn't have much last year either. His grades were mostly A's, too. I don't think he's getting much of an education. But there's no way to prove that gut feeling until they come home with those abysmal scores on the SAT 2's.

Here's my question: how do you get kids to get motivated to do more than what's required, extend themselves, when they get such good results (A's) from doing so little? I have never (in the five years I've been a Berkeley High parent) had any success in getting poor or mediocre teachers (and my children have had a few, some with many parent complaints and still teaching) to change ANYTHING about what they were doing in the classroom.

My daughter, who graduated last year, took AP courses, had high test scores, and great grades. However (for an example), she NEVER wrote a research paper at Berkeley High. Most of my conversations with various people about this over the years (teachers, department chair, counselor, vice principal) were unsatisfactory. Research papers (since I'm using this example) are definitely required by the curriculum. Everyone assured me that the kids were doing them (and probably some kids are). I don't know, I figure a research paper is something that is longer than 3 pages, has some footnotes, a bibliography with a number of sources, a topic. My daughter never did one and my son didn't do one last year. (And knowing his current history teacher, he won't do one this year, either.)

On the other hand, my daughter was always a reader and on her own took some outside-of-BHS courses. (The kids do UC Extension concurrent enrollment, Vista and sometimes Laney). My son is not at all interested in doing anything like this. I definitely feel the burden is on the parents to do some of the school's work, but what to do when the kids don't see it that way? (Of course, I believe in parent involvement and, in the long run, and as a committed member of the community, that's the most important thing we can do. However, I'm worried about the education of this particular child at this particular time.) I'll be a BHS parent for another six years so I am really interested in both long term and short term, right now, approaches to poor teaching. Emily


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