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How does Berkeley High Work for Shy Girls?

April 2010

Hello, I'd very much appreciate up-to-date information about Berkeley High and how it might work out for my shy daughter who has been in a private school. For example,

1. How are budget cuts impacting the quality of education at Berkeley High? What is the prospect over the next few years?

2. How does the small school concept work today? Students express their top choices and then they get into each small school by lottery? There were some postings a while back about how kids from the wealthy part of Berkeley tend not to get into Academic Choice. Is that still true? (We are not wealthy; we are just curious...)

3. Is the school safe? How prevalent are bullying, theft, harassing, other violent acts? Is Freshman Friday egg throwing still happening? Do kids get to spend most of their school hours concentrating on learning and not avoiding potential physical or emotional harms?

4. How is the quality of teaching during the first 2 years, which we believe to be most important in establishing good learning foundation? What is the average class size?

5. How are student advisors? Are they normally available when needed?

6. We don't live in Berkeley, but are thinking if it might be worth it to rent in Berkeley so our daughter can go to Berkeley High (legitimately). We also think of St. Mary's as a (gentler, kinder) option. If you have compared these 2 high schools in terms of academics and safety and college opportunitiesn and general happiness for your child, we'd very much appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Worried Mom


My shy daughter is finishing her first year at BHS in AC after coming from private school. There are a lot of myths out there about how wonderful as well as how scary/dismal BHS is. It's all true and it's all highly dependent on your child and the teachers they get and the peer group they find.

1. How are budget cuts impacting the quality of education at Berkeley High? Class sizes have been quite large - the school does not publish accurate numbers. My daughter has over 30 students in 5/6 classes. Given the state's problems, it will likely get worse.

2. How does the small school concept work today? You set your choices. If you only want the big schools - AC and IB, don't put any small choices in your lottery setting. Small schools get disproportionate amount of resources (smaller class sizes, more counselors) but have not done any evaluation of outcomes of program. The standardized test results are dismal for students in the small schools, but it works for some students exceptionally well. It's just not well studied. Out of the 20 families we knew from private high schools, only 1 chose a small school - AHA - because of the art program.

3. Is the school safe? It's been mostly fine. Freshman hazing is institutionalized and accepted- pretty disgusting. My daughter avoided it as did most of her friends, but it scared them for months.

4. How is the quality of teaching during the first 2 years? Very mixed. 3 good teachers this year out of 6. 1 horrible that no one has done anything about. Teaching may be better, but expectations are very low. The school has well intentioned, but poorly conceptualized reform ideas. They consistently change seats on the titanic.

5. How are student advisors? My daughter's advisor has over 800 students. It took 2.5 months to get a returned call after several emails. She got to see him once after waiting for awhile to sign a form and then his office lost it. Took awhile to track it down. ugh

6. Is St. Mary's (gentler, kinder). True - much less variance in highs and lows. When we looked at it, the academic program looked really skills/drills and traditional discipline, etc, but the facilities and student body and activities are much more controlled and ''high school'' like. More diversity in the higher courses than at BHS, though, which can get pretty segregated by the AP years.

Good luck! bhs mom


Considering BHS for private school 8th grader

Nov 2009

I have an 8th grade student in private school and we are considering BHS for her next year. We had a teen son who was very unhappy there for his freshman year, now happy in a small private school. I am hoping to avoid the same mistakes as last time and wanted to ask for some''pearls'' of advice from parents of kids who feel like they have some tips to share. My daughter is bright and motivated but not overwhelmed by ''pop culture'', kinda of a nerd (self described) Give me your tips!! thanks, trying to get my nerve up to give it another go


My son is a Freshman at Berkeley High , the IB program and he came from a private school. I have to tell you that we have been pleasantly surprised, it is a big school but the teachers know my child, the classroom size is small, 20 to 25. The teachers are young and enthusiastic. I am glad i don't have a to pay a huge amount of money for it... anonymous

Should we send her to Berkeley High?

April 2007

I have some questions about east bay private high school. I have been reading the reviews on BPN and they all sound wonderful. Our daughter will start looking at possible high schools this year and any input from parents of kids at area schools would be great. ... Or should we just bite the bullet and send her to Berkeley High? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all. berkeleymomanddad (See Private high school for N.Berkeley kids? for the full question and all replies)


Check out Berkeley High. After all, BHS has the most number of AP and Honors classes than any school in the area, the largest/most varied athletic program of any high school west of the Mississippi, and an incredibly visual and especially performing arts program (the jazz band of course is nationally ranked). In addition, BHS offers more languages than many colleges (Spanish, French, Latin, Swahili, German, and starting next year Mandarin Chinese). With this year's implementation of the new International High program, every student has the opportunity to be in a community-based setting. In addition to the IH program (where students will be able to choose to receive an international baccalaureate degree), there is Academic Choice (traditional, college prep), and the small schools: Communications/Arts/Science (CAS), Community Partnership Academy, Social Justice, and Arts/Humanity (AHA), themed and/or somewhat non-traditional college prep. Not to mention the amazing number of clubs, associations, and other student activities. Yes, Berkeley High can be intimidating for some students and for some, the independence and freedom at BHS can be too much to handle but I truly believe that NO PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE BAY AREA provides more overall than BHS in terms of academic opportunity, academic rigor, and more importantly life experiences. Karen
We investigated private high schools, went through the whole application process and enrolled our daughter in a private school for ninth grade. (She was accepted at multiple schools.) She ultimately decided to attend a school in Marin, and the commute was awful even though the school provided a bus from N. Berkeley, upwards of three hours per day. She also found that she really needed to be in a larger school environment, having attended private school for K-8. We finally agreed to let her transfer half way through her first semester to Berkeley High, despite already having committed to the tuition at the private school, and the experience has been great for her.

Because she came in mid-year she didn't get a choice of program or classes, but the school worked with her to get her into the right level of classes, and she is certain she made the right decision. She is the only Freshman in several of her classes. So, my advice is, look into Berkeley High as a positive option, not a last resort. Many people outside of the city find ways to enroll their children in BHS because it is a vibrant community with excellent academic options. The right school for your child depends on their personality and interests. Happy BHS parent


Can BHS work for a small, disorganized boy in private school?

April 2005

I am the mother of an small 7th grade boy. He has organizational issues, and so is not good at navigating beaurocratic mazes. He's been at small independent schools so far. He's intimidated by the idea of so many students, and by the idea of having to find his way around the campus. He's not good at advocating for himself. He doesn't do well in chaotic environments. We are attracted by some of what Berkeley High has to offer as far as programs and ''life experience'', but we wonder whether it is realistic to expect this kind of kid to succeed there. I'd love to hear comments about this, as well as what it's like to advocate for your child there (tutoring, class choices); what's the likelyhood of getting into one of the small schools of your choice? How are small schools, and the academics in general? Thanks,
torn mom


Torn Mom, As a ninth Grader, I came to BHS feeling nervous abouyt the large enviroment and all the beuracy there. I have organizational difficulties and I survived there for all four years and am present At UCB. AT lunch and after school there's often tutoring in Math and the sciences .Whatever your son's interests there will be class for him. If you select a small school ,there's a high probaly that he would get in to the small school As a former Academic Choice student, I would recommend either AC or CPA, In the large school , Academics are very IFFY. If you want more specific info on BHS, conevt me off-list. '04 grad anon
Dear Mom who is worried about the disorganized 7th grader going to BHS. I understand your concerns, but want to reassure you. They've expanding the number of small schools, and your son should have no problem getting into one of them, even if it's not your first choice. The academics in the small schools are good, and the students benefit from smaller class sizes in many cases. And last, but not least, I'm willing to bet that you'll be amazed how much your 7th grader matures before he has to start the 9th grade at BHS, some 16 months from now. I know I was. As long as he has a group of friends from his middle school that are also going to BHS he should do fine. Even if they're not in the same small school he is, it's good to have friends to hang out with at lunch time. Dianna
Dear Torn Mom,
Your letter describes my son to the letter. He is now completing his 2nd year in the small school CAS at Berkeley High School. Unfortunately, as a public school teacher, parent and advocate it pains me to say that he will not be returning next year. The classes are too big, his teachers over worked and he is lost. I believe Berkeley High is a great school for some kids but they are not able to serve all kids (yet). We are leaving it for a small school (10-12 kids ) in each class with a learning center and homework hotline built in. There are some great resources at Berkeley High but they weren't enough for my son. I wish you luck in your decision. Good Luck

Need help deciding whether to choose Berkeley High

June 2001

I have been watching this newsletter for a year and a half - and have put out "tactful queries" in the past about the tough decision we face about whether our son should leave private school to go to Berkeley high. No responses have been forthcoming. He just finnished 7th grade and is quite interested in changing to BHS, but has only social reasons ( which have some merit). The more I read at this site - and talk with parents - I am perplexed as to why would I choose to give up great teachers, access to great courses, lots of sports and resources and support - for BHS - which, among other things, is now eliminating history in the Freshman curriculum. All tact now aside - my kid has a strong sense of social justice, and is not in an ivory tower. He doesn't need BHS to get a taste of the "real world" _ So what is the draw, if we can afford to do otherwise. My son is not a "self-starter" who will jumpt to take advantage of what BHS has to offer academically - and is not likely to "fight" to get a few good classes" He will slide and have "fun". Lately - however, I feel like I am the only one left that doesn't see the attraction of BHS. So please - I could use some read benchmarks on which to base this decision. Thanks - Anon parent of 8th grader in fall.


Both my kids went through Berkeley High-- my second will graduate in June 2002 and I would likely make the same decision again. BHS is not without it's frustrations and limitations, it's bureaucracies and it's share of mediocre teachers. However, it is most importantly an exciting, vibrant, creative school with dedicated teachers and every possible color and shape and inclination of kid. We as parents have seen both our kids collectively participate in Lit Mag, Soccer, Cross Country, Jazz Ensemble, the truly exceptional Latin program, Orchestra, senior streak, proms. They've made movies, learned photography, served on committees. We recently had the pleasure to attend the performance of Grease and the final Dance Performances, both of which were fun and wonderfully done. The spirit of these kids and the camaraderie among the performers and the pride coming from the audience put me in touch with all that's the best in this school community.

Academically there are highs mediums and lows -- I'm sure you've heard testimony regarding all three. Much what you hear is true, some of what you hear is tainted by parental experience with their particular child and his or her struggles and strengths. I've heard parents who are considering BHS over private schools think that allowing their child to follow their desire to go to Berkeley is tantamount to dropping them into a garbage dump. Despite it's rough exterior (literally) and the complexity of running a huge school in an ethnically and socio-economically diverse community I find that there's so much life and a good deal of excellence there that I am pleased to have given my children an opportunity to be a part of it. Wfred


In response to the parent wondering why he or she doesn't see the benefits of Berkeley High but continues to think that he or she is missing something: If you don't see any benefits to Berkeley High for your child, don't send him there. It sounds like the school he's in is fine, he's not a self-starter and might float too much in a big school. He may not want to take advantage of all the opportunities there. That's okay. So leave him where he is, feel good about it and stop worrying. Berkeley High already has more than enough students. If yours is happy elsewhere, that's great!
I'm sorry that no one responded to your question. I'm happy to share my opinion- but you raise some good questions. If your son is happy, thriving, and in a positive environment, and the cost of private school is not crushing you and your family why move him? We have had a very positive experience with BHS. It is definitely a complicated place with the bad and the good mixed in. My daughter would often say she hates it, but my observation is that she is thriving. She is definitely a go getter, and is becoming more so as she is at BHS. She is challenged taking AP science and honors math classes. History and English were okay this year, great last year. She gets a real world experience which I think is important. It is making her savvy, cynical, jaded, less idealistic, angry, more practical, able to fight for what she needs for herself.....what else can I say? It's part of growing up. As I watch her move in the world I like who she is becoming, and I think her experiences at BHS have a lot to do with that. The fact that race and class so often run along the same lines is a complex thing for all of us to deal with, and I think being at BHS brings her face to face with the injustice of our educational system for some. Grappling with these issues makes her a more thoughtful person. Educationally, I think she gets enough of high quality that she will do okay long term--but she may learn to write in college, since it is not happening in high school. I'm not sure what you should do, I can only offer a description of our experience. I am hoping we can pull together enough money that my daughter can go to a smaller private college and get more individualized attention. It seems like it would be a reward for wading through the complexity of BHS. Maybe a great private high school, then a state university does the same thing in terms of teaching kids to function well in different learning environments. There are so many right ways to do this. Hope this is helpful.
My children, nieces and nephews have all gone to Berkeley High. Our family adult peers are all college graduates as well as our parents/ their grandparents. The girls all did well. The boys flunked out, went to alternative, private schools or just barely graduated. I think to succeed at BHS, you have to be well disciplined and involved in extra-curricular activities. If your child is already having trouble at school, they will not get the extra help and support they need to graduate. The open campus and the loose attendance policies of the past have made it more fun to not come back from lunch and to stay in the park with friends and wander off.

I think the students at BHS are incredibly talented, vocal and multi-faceted. BHS is like a junior college. It doesn't have the same sort of "school spirit" that other high schools have. The students who graduate can articulate their experiences and social relationships in a way that most adults have trouble . Students have great teachers, the courses are of the highest quality for college bound youth. Kids who aren't going on to college or don't have the drive, interest, skills are left behind quickly. If your child joins a sports team, or club, that will help pull them along. But extra tutoring is often necessary.

If your child wants to go to BHS and you can afford a private school and you think they have the motivation to succeed. Then I would send them to BHS and monitor the situation. If they start to fail, pull them out and send them to a private school.


First time reply on my part; our daughter just finished freshman year at Berkeley high and had what I would consider a great experience. Most of it is based in the fact that she joined the womens crew team and had an intense experience (virtually yearlong workouts some of which are at 6am at Lake Merrit). Also she has a huge group of great friends (30 or so on the team). BHS is huge, no denying it, and if you feel your child can benefit from a larger school than do it. If where he is is great then why change. BHS is great for us. I just never see other people say this in this newsletter.
We too have been following the discussions regarding Berkeley High for some time and share your concerns about children who are not "self-starters" who will fight their way into the "good" classes. We have decided to move to Orinda solely because we have come to believe that attending Berkeley High is not the only way to insure that our son graduates from high school with a sense of what the "real world" is all about. We are planning on sending our boys to public school in Orinda. Our son too wanted to attend BHS because "all of his friends are going" but that wasn't reason enough to sway us. We just decided we didn't want to possibly sacrifice our son's physical well-being to the political correctness gods who feel that people who choose alternatives to inner city public education don't care about their communities. Are we heartbroken to be leaving Berkeley, you better believe it. It was a tough decision but one we felt very compelled to make. Good Luck -
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