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Airfares to France - travel agent or consolidator

March 2006

I'm trying to get two adults and four children to France as cheaply as possible this summer. Tips on cheap travel often advise one to find a travel agent or consolidator that specializes in one's destination country. Can anyone suggest an agent whose specialty is France (but not high-end travel)? The agent need not be local. We're also willing to travel via a third country (Iceland, the Netherlands, Belgium, U.K. etc.) to get lower fares. Any and all money-saving advice is welcome! (I did check the website before posting.) Siobhan


My family travels to France most summers to visit relatives, and we have often used Edith Yhuel at Calparrio/International Travel Brokers. The number is 415.243.0233. We usually check online first, then call her to see if she can beat the fares we've found. Usually, she can. (website: http://www.sfstation.com/business.php?blId=2197) Jennifer
I recommend trying these sites:
www.kayak.com
www.sidestep.com
www.farechase.com
There was an article about them in the NYT. Expedia, Orbitz, etc. searches airline sites but requires you to buy through them, as they are online travel agents. These sites above act as search engines, searching airline sites PLUS other online travel agencies, so you're not having to go to Expedia, then Orbitz, etc. to comparative shop. They also have you book directly with the whichever vendor you choose to fly with, so they aren't tacking on additional charges. anon

Apartment or pension in Paris

Feb 2006

I will be traveling to London and Paris with my 6 year old daughter In August. We will be staying with my sister in London and I am looking for lodging recommendations in Paris. (We will be there 9 days.) I would like a pension type place or an apartment which is well located...a place where we can really experience Paris. We don't need the Ritz...just something safe and comfortable. Also, I want suggestions on things to do with kids in London & Paris including day trips. I have visited both cities pre-children and am looking forward to taking my daughter. Thanks! Sarah


A few years ago my cousin and I stayed in an apartment in Paris she found through http://www.rentvillas.com/ The place was clean, small, well located, sleeps 4. Here is the link to the apartment. Not cheap. http://www.rentvillas.com/PropertyDetail.aspx?Catalog=479 It looks like they have about 65 apartments available in the Paris area.
Try the web site AhParis.com for apartment rentals. I am renting an apartment through them in May, so I will know more when I return, but I can say that the owner of the site John Fay answered every last detailed question I had (and I had Many - as I had never rented before like this on the internet). He is very nice and easy to deal with, and if the photos are correct, I am very excited about the place I found. I will be back in the USA the end of May/beginning of June, so feel free to contact me after for the full story. If you contact him, please tell him I referred you as I am sure he will be happy to hear it after all of my e-mail questions! Bon voyage! Susan

Small romantic reasonably priced B&B in Paris

May 2005

My husband and I will visit paris next spring. Does anyone have any suggestions for small, romantic, and reasonably priced hotels or B&B's? We'll also be in Lyon for 5 days if anyone has stayed there as well. I welcome any advice. Thank you. ljf


I've stayed at the Hotel Sevigne in the Marais (4th arrondissement--very quiet area, right by Metro St. Paul). it's rooms are small, clean, just the basics. The location gives you easy access to lots of areas, especially if you like to walk. You can e-mail them at contact@le-sevigne.com or fax (sometimes the e-mail doesn't work) at 011-33-1-42-78-68-26 and they'll send you the current rates. Please write me if you would like more suggestions. Joanna
I was in Paris for 10 days in April, and stayed at the Hotel Brighton (right bank 1e, Rue de Rivoli, next to everything and across from the Tuileries). They have very reasonable rates; I would recommend booking with them directly, though you can book online through most of the usual services. I'd also recommend the Langlois (9th and.), which is quite charming and extremely reasonable! The best reviews I've found (from both American and UK travelers) are on the TripAdvisor website; I would definitely look through before booking anything, especially for the month fo July. Melissa
Ahhhh Paris. My favorite city. Please! Go to www.eurocheapo.com Seriously, they have a great selection of Pensions (little hotels, most often than not with a European breakfast) wonderful reviews and on-line reservations. I have booked two rooms through this site and have been pleased both times.

Somthing else to think about: Craigslist Paris. There are a lot of listings for short (as short as a week usually) term sublets. I think staying in an apt. is much cheaper when you figure in eating. Plus you get to play house... which to me is a load of fun. Shopping for your dinner is the ultimate Paris experience... if you eat at nice restaurants for lunch, and cook your dinner, you will save loads of money.

I have a lot of budget tips for Paris... I have been seriously poor and had the best times of my life. Feel free to email me. Sarah


Apartment in Paris for 5 days

Feb 2005

We're travelling to Europe this summer and will be in Paris for 5 days and are looking for an apartment to rent. Can anyone recommend a rental agency they had a good experience with? slpb


www.rentavilla.com (formerly Villanet). Through them we (family) rented an ADORABLE apt. in a farmhouse in Provence and a very cool and comfortable apt. in the St. Germain area of Paris. They were super attentive and responsive. cjp
We spent a summer in Paris a couple summers ago and we rented our apartment through lodgis.com They do shorter term rentals too. It was great. You can look at each room in the apartment on the internet, and it came with everything we needed--dishes, pots, towels, even an ironing board and iron. They met us there on the first day and again on the last day. The place was great. I'm not sure about daily rentals but our monthly rent was not much more than the rent around here, although it was a very small place. The agency was really great and the agent spoke English on the phone and helped us choose an good neighborhood. Good luck! cconry

Places for a family to stay in Paris

June 2004

Hi there, My husband, my mother, my two kids, and I will be in France for a few weeks in August. We'll be in Paris from aproximatley the 20 to the 25 and would like recommendations on inexpensive places to stay. The less money the better, although nothing seems cheap in Paris. I'll be staying on for five more days for a conference and if it was cheap for signles or doubles that would be great to. I have heard you can rent apartments I don't know if that would work thought since we will be there less then a week. Any recomendations about activites or places to eat with a 6 and 9 year old would be much appriciated as well. Thanks, Liz


A few years back my husband and I did a lot of research for places to stay in Paris - we found some great books: Cheap Sleeps in Paris and Cheap Eats in Paris. And, not all of the recommendations were funky cheap - some were down right great! We stayed at a place called Port-Royal and loved it. It was run by Monsieur et Madame Giraud. They were great. The address is:
Port-Royal Hotel
8, boulevard Port-Royal
Paris, France  75005
I remember it being very reasonable and VERY charming and clean. Good luck and have a great time! christine
The Chronicle had an interesting article on hotels in Paris recently: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/05/09/TRGBJ6G5R31.DTL One of these is the one my mother and I stayed in about 6 years ago. The Port-Royal hotel really was sparkling clean, and breakfast was in a small room on the main floor. Very convenient to the Metro, and the Bistro across the way had a very nice prix fixe menu, too. Enjoy! Jennie
We found a nice, well-located apartment at a pretty good (for Paris) price through vbro.com (''vacation rentals by owner''). Many of the owners will rent for less than a week, though they may charge a higher nightly rate. We appreciated having two bedrooms, a kitchen, and a washer & dryer. Many hotels are not set up well for families, and might insist you take two double rooms if you have more than three people, even kids. Even a ''triple + extra bed'' can be as expensive as the apartment, with none of the perks. Enjoy Paris! R.K.
Your kids will love Paris. There is so much for children to do there. I don't know about prices for lodgings, but with kids, it might be nice to stay near the Luxembourg Gardens. We have found cheaper hotels there in the past. As for food, look for pizzarias and check out the Hippopotomus chain. Both usually have non-smoking sections. If the kids are willing to sit for a while to soak up atmosphere, the street side cafes are a fun experience. Traveling Parent
This post is pretty belated, but I just came back from Paris, and found my favorite (cheap!) hotel is still as good as ever. The location is unbeatable: in the 6th arrondissement, with only a short walk to either the Odeon or Luxembourg Metro Stations, and restaurants, shops, cafes, the Jardins du Luxembourg, etc. right on its doorstep. It's right near the Boulevards St. Michel and St. Germain. I paid 45 Euros (cash or Euro travelers checks only) for a single room, but Stella has affordable rooms for groups and families too. The last time we stayed there, as a family, Stella was one of the few hotels to allow our family of (then) 5 to stay in one room, a ''quad''). Ann, the proprietor, I think, was helpful as ever - she's slow to smile, but quick to help, and an expert at navigating Paris. I got a good night's sleep, because she's strict about keeping the place quiet at night. Three things that some might consider drawbacks are: only cash or Euro traveler's checks are accepted; there doesn't seem to be an elevator, only lots of stairs; it is NOT FANCY (line-dried towels, elderly furniture and decor, oddly shaped rooms, etc.) I'm not sure whether the phones in the rooms can call beyond the front desk, but I doubt it. The Hotel's current site is: http://site.voila.fr/hotel-stella and their e-mail address, pictures of the room, etc. are on the site. They can be slow and terse in e-mail replies. Siobhan
My sister-in-law and her husband have a condo in Paris that they rent out. It's small, but nice. I haven't been there myself, but others I know have. The website for the condo is: www.levieuxparis.com Wish I were there
The best place to find recommendations for hotels is http://www.tripadvisor.com/ I have been using the consumer reviews on tripadvisor for a couple years now, and have had VERY good luck finding what I'm looking for. It's far superior to AAA for domestic hotels, and just cannot be beat for overseas travel. You'll find every price range there, from hostels to luxury resorts. anon

Buying French train tickets here

May 2004

Can anyone recommend a method for buying train tickets for France before leaving home? (I don't want to use RailEurope.com because of the large markups and the difficulty in using their particular site to arranging exactly the itinerary I need.) A travel agent would be fine, and a website even better. I do know about the SNCF's website, but given that I'd have to pay with a credit card with a U.S. billing address, and the U.S. is a country that the SNCF site does not serve, I can't see how to actually do it. (If you've found a way, please tell me!) I also know that I could probably buy the tickets much cheaper and more reliably after I arrive in France, but the timing of my trip is very tight, and I am afraid to go without a reservation. Siobhan


I bought tickets for travel in France last summer through Santini Tours and Travel in Berkeley. Patrick, I think was the fellow--very helpful in making reservations and purchasing tickets--it made our travel a piece of cake! Bon voyage! a mom
You didn't say where you plan to go to/from in France. If you will be travelling to (or almost to) Germany, you can order tickets at the German Rail (Deutche Bahn)website. The URL for the ''ticket inquiry'' page in English is: http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en.

Even if your ticket goes farther than you plan to travel, perhaps the convenience will be worth it. You can click on a train number and find out every stop it makes.

Even if you are not going to/toward Germany, the site is FABULOUS for info on almost any train in Europe. You can use it to check schedules, connections, how long different options take, etc. You can also link to a page that tells you every train leaving and arriving at a particular station for each hour of the day - for every station in Europe! Enjoy your trip. R.K.


I do not know a way for you to buy a French train ticket here. I know that it is only SNCF which sale a French train ticket. Why don't you put as billing address your address in France I know that The SCNCF do accept American credit card. Also, the trains in France are not all the time full...unless you are traveling during a weekend, bank holiday, or at the beginning of vacation. You can buy your ticket at the train station or in the train. I do not know if it will help you. God luck and enjoyed yourself in France Myriam

Paris on a shoestring?

April 2004

Does anyone have any suggestions for an inexpensive trip to Paris in early June, with a 2 1/2 year old? We have very little money right now, but are expecting our second baby in early August, and are desperate to have a nice (if fairly brief) vacation before this happens and we are unable to travel again for a couple more years.

We are not ''hostel'' type people (my husband would never be into that sort of ''roughing it,'' as privacy is very important to him.) But I was thinking about trying to rent an apartment for 7 - 10 days. It would probably be easier anyway with a toddler, in terms of cooking more meals, napping, etc.

I'm actually starting to think about willingly going into debt to do this - something I would normally never do! So I figured I really must look into the alternatives to a pricey but comfortable hotel.

Does anyone know of any place to start looking? Know of anyone with an empty apartment they'd like to rent? Does anyone have an idea of the going rates, and maybe neighborhoods that are better than others for both saving some money and staying with children?

Any advice/recommendations appreciated! desperate to get away


A good combination of the privacy of a hotel with the pricerange of a hostel might be the Centre International de Sejour de Paris (C.I.S.P.) http://www.cisp.fr which is more like a dormitory where you have a private room and shower. My husband and I stayed there for 10 days in spring of 2000. We stayed at the Maurice Ravel location, which is a short walk from the Metro. They have a second location, but I have not stayed there. The rooms were simple, but very clean and bright. The pricing includes breakfast (croissant, boiled eggs, orange juice). According to the website, a room with a shower and toilet is 30 Euros per person, if you take a room with a shower in the room, but no toilet, the price is 24 Euros per person. This is what my husband and I did, and found it very easy. The toilets are ''dorm style'' with a long row of stalls. Those also seemed quite clean. We didn't have any problems with noise when we stayed there, and there was a wide mix of guests -- a study abroad group from UC Santa Barbara, an Italian high school girls soccer team, young families, etc. etc. We found it a great, and affordable way to be able to see Paris. Actually, can I come with you? :-) Please feel free to contact me with questions. Thanks! Jennifer
Try rentparis.com. I stayed in one of their apartments in the Marais last summer. Jennifer
Would you consider a home exchange? There are lots of Parisians who want to come to the Bay Area. We've had great experiences with home exchanges. It's free, you get the experience of living the way the ''natives'' do, you get a free housesitter for your own home, and you make new long-distance friends (even if you never get to meet them in person). It's especially good when you're traveling with kids. You can exchange with someone else who has kids, which means you'll have toys, a crib, a stroller, etc. where you're staying. There are lots of WEB sites for home exchanges. I can personally recommend www.homeexchange.com. Patty
My cousin has used rentvillas.com to get an apartment in Paris (and later Florence) near Musee D'Orsay. I stayed with her in Paris. The apartment was nice and she had no problems with the agency. It was in the 7th district.

If you do a websearch for Paris, apartment and rental, you'll get a whole bunch of sites that offer apartments. I can only vouch for service my cousin used.

The 6th and 7th districts are both decent areas to stay in. We felt safe walking around at all hours. And as long as you stay near a subway stop, everything of interest is easily accessible. And the reality is that just about everywhere is close to a subway stop.

Also, you could get hold of a Rick Steve's book. He usually lists inexpensive, yet totally functional (and non-hostelish) places to stay. I know he recommends one neighborhood that is about halfway between Les Invalides and the Eiffel Tower (don't remember the name right now). We happened through that area one day and it was very pleasant. All the grocery shops and cafes that you'd need located in one spot. Bob


I'm hesitant to respond to anything but your direct question, but want to warn you that some airlines may be unwilling to fly you at 7 months into your pregnancy. The cutoffs seem to vary by airline -- having flown ''very pregnant'' I can tell you that it won't be comfy, even if your husband is taking care of the 2 year-old.

BUT (and I'm still not answering your question directly) you might be surprised at how easy it is to travel a year from now, with an infant and a 3 year-old.

I've been to Paris with small children, while living in another part of France. The good news is that the French are wonderful to little children -- nicer to people with children than without.

If you decide to go this year, you can easily get a week's entertainment out of walking around town (bring a stroller), visiting the museums and the Zoo, eating bread and cheese by the Seine, etc. We also spent a day or two at EuroDisney -- even if you HATE Disneyland -- a Mickey Mouse who speaks French, and surly cast members at ''the happiest place on Earth'' is a wonderful experience. Heather


I recommend to look into house swapping, a great site is www.digsville.com It takes a bit of planning but it is a great alternative to staying in a hotel or rent an appartment. Nicolette
Have you considered a home exchange with another family who lives in Paris? There are programs on the web that advertise such arrangements. I have heard positive feedback from friends who have made such arrangements - saved tons of money and got homey accomodations suitable for families. You could even negotiate exchanging vehicles and pet care. Bon voyage! Liz D.

France with Little Kids

March 2004

My husband and I are considering taking our 2.5 year old and our 6-month-old to France this summer. We'd like to spend about 5 days in Paris and then rent a house somewhere in the country. I checked the website and read the reviews about things to do in Paris with little ones. But I'm wondering first if we're nuts to think this might be a good idea. Second, can anyone recommend a place outside Paris to stay for a week or so with kids? Thanks in advance. Dreaming of Paris


I've not been there with kids, but I thought the south of France, particularly Nice, was awsome! The people are SOOO much friendlier there than in Paris and really appreciated when I tried to speak French with them than in Parish where they truly are snobs about it. The Mediterranean is beautiful and you can hop on a train and go to Cannes, Monte Carlo....hmmm, now that I think about it, it sounds like more of an adult vacation, but maybe not! Try some research on internet!
I have made 3 vacation trips to France with my son, the first time when he was 6 years old. For me, as a single parent, the most important thing was focusing on kid stuff, and letting go of my grown-up notions of what you are ''supposed to do'' on a trip to Paris. This actually is liberating, and fun. With two adults, you can even take turns doing some grown up things, while the other is with the children. There are tons of fun things to do that get you out with Parisians and their children, like the playground and the boat pond in the Luxembourg (we went every day) There are marionette theaters in the Luxembourg and at the Champs des Mars, near the Tour Eiffel. The Bateau Mouche lets you sit down while seeing the city, and there are also boats on the Canal St. Martin. There is the Fabulous Jardin d'Acclimatition in the Bois de Boulougne. There is a fun, funky amusement park at the Tuileries, and lots of other little parks that are great for kids. I didn't even try to do much in the way of museums, though the Ecole Militaire, with halls full of knight's armour, swords, cannons, etc. is thrilling for a 7 year old. I did not attempt any fancy meals with my son, but the markets and even grocery stores are full of great picnic supplies, and you can make a feast from the wonderful patisseries in every neighborhood. Even the department stores are fun, with great toy departments. My son is now taking French in school, and looking forward to returning as often as we can afford it--go ahead, and have a great time! francophile mom
Ah Paris! My family and I just met last summer in Paris for two glorious weeks. We spent 6 days in Paris going to every museum and creperie possible. My 1.5 year old came with me and my mom brought my little sisters 12 and 8. We used the Metreo and the bus system easily. Go to the park and the jardin luxemburg they have a really fun park for kids there with a giant pirate ship kind of thing and a giant web of ropes- there's a little cost invovled but not bad. The only thing I noticed was that there was never another child at any of the restaurants. The staff always was helpful with my son but the french don't seem to bring their little kids out much.

We then took the train to Aix en Provence and drove from there to a little mediviel village called ansouis where we stayed in a little house with a pool and a little plot of land in the shadow of the grand chateau. Everyday we would pack up and go to a different market somewhere. We spent a day on the beach in cassis tasting wine and bouillabase and playing in the sand. We went to the Rhone Valley. It was all great. I rented a car seat with the car so I didn't have to drag mine through the airport. I used my stroller more than the backpack I brought but be warned they don't usually allow you to bring the stroller to the airplane as they do here in the states. I had to make special arrangements to do this and they put it with the regular baggage it isn't waiting for you at the runway like here.

Get a bulkhead seat so the kids can play at your feet on the plane. We foudn our apartment in Paris and the house in Ansouis on www.vrbo.com. They have some great places- the hard part is fidning the right one! I have a friend that rents an apartment in Montmare so if you were thinking of staying there let me know and I'll get you in touch with her. I thought the trip was great and was so glad I got to share it with my son. Even though I know he won't remember it exactly it will still be meaningful and certainly is for me. Have a wonderful trip and enjoy every moment! Juliette


Paris with kids can be difficult. Accomodations and food can be expensive, and since the French are very quiet at meal time, Americans can be ostrasized for what seems like boorish behavior. That said, there are a couple of really good books-the Cadogan guide, Take the kids: Paris, and another, which I seem to have loaned out called something like 50 things for Families to do in Paris. It lists all the great puppet shows, and the park where you can rent little sailboats and launch them across a little pool with a long pole - very cute, and a Kodak moment! So take a peek at those, take notes, and go have fun. The parks are wonderful.

I have several friends (Americans) who have places in Southern France, especially the Dordogne, which they rent. This is a fabulous area for families because of the terrain, the food, the prehistoric sites, canoeing on very gentle, shallow rivers, etc. At most campgrounds, one can find a swing set and an inexpensive eatery. Pizza is everywhere, as well. The main caution is that once you are out of the urban areas, mealtimes are pretty strictly observed, and you may not be able to get food whenever you want it. A place with some kitchen facilites can be quite helpful. If you want info about my friends'places, feel free to contact me. kim


First of all, I would like to throw out a broad suggestion -- it seems to me that many of us, having children later in life and centering our lives around them, are giving way too much consideration to what will amuse the kids in a given situation and way too little to what we ourselves will enjoy. I of course don't know your ages or predilictions and shouldn't assume anything, but your posting put me in mind of many others and many remarks from friends like ''oh, we couldn't do that, our kids wouldn't enjoy it.'' My current philosophy -- if it's not outright dangerous for them, drag them and ignore all protests. Whew, I got that out of my system. Now to your question.

I took my son (and my mom!) to Paris when my son was four. He loved going up in the Eiffel Tower (we went at night) and visiting the many playgrounds (there are playgrounds in great places like the Jardin des Plantes, the Luxembourg Gardens, even a rudimentary one at the Place des Vosges, etc.) There were little carnival rides at one Metro stop (I can't recall which one right now), pigeons to chase on the square in front of Notre Dame, crepes to consume (with Nutella!), Orangina, picnics in really great places for kids to run around (the Rodin Museum -- great garden!). The puppet theater in the Luxembourg Gardens is great -- no knowledge of French required for Punch and Judy (some tolerance for mild violence required, however). If they've been very good kiddles, you can take them to Le Nain Bleu (The Blue Dwarf), toystore heaven. The boat rides on the Seine are OK but can get long for little ones (yes, I do give in to their demands on occasion). But subway rides and train rides are great entertainment. My son liked the heavily armed police on the Metro trains :) Even the Louvre is OK if you head straight for the mummies and don't linger long.

In short, the stuff they love here, they'll love there, and you'll love it more 'cause you're in France. Bon voyage France 4-ever


We've gone to France about 6 times throughout the life of our 5 year old -- once for 6 weeks at a time. We've always had wonderful experiences. (I now have a 3 month old, so we haven't yet tried it with two). The French have always been open and accepting of kids, and there are great adventures to be had. We've traveled extensively throughout the countryside, and rented houses a couple of times. Renting a house is great with kids as it provides the obvious--more room, a kitchen, and a laundry. A good source is www.justfrance.com--we always had good experiences renting through them. The train system is excellent, and a great way to travel to the country, btw. Try to take TGVs when possible (the high speed trains). As far as areas, they all have their romance. Provence feels wonderful and the most exotic. The Dordogne is slightly less traveled, and has EXCELLENT castles. The Loire valley has the wonderful chateaux, as well as lots of river activities. Normandy and Brittany are beautiful, but I think would be slightly less attractive to kids.

Bon Voyage -- you are not crazy to go! Email me if you'd like more specifics. Nancy


We travelled last summer to France with (then) 11-month-old twin girls. We didn't stay in Paris, but in the country in the south, with relatives. I can't recommend specific kid-friendly- activities because we took every opportunity to leave the babies with their grandparents for a few hours while we roamed. Outtings we did take with them included to the local pool, the local park, and on short hikes with our backpacks.

Here are the tips I can provide about our travels:

1. Our kids' allowable baggage was a stoller only (I think this was because we bought both girls a space in an infant bassinet that hangs on the wall, so their luggage allowance was minimal). But because we were flying internationally, we (the two adults) were allowed two 70 lb. suitcases EACH, and one carry on each. In our carry-ons, we packed all the food, books, diapers, and toys the girls would need for two days. (we also managed to carry on my purse and my husband's camera case without anyone seeming to care that we really had two carry-ons each.) We each packed one suitcase only. In both were clothes for all four of us. This allowed us another ''bag'' each used to check two infant/toddler backpacks (instead of the second 70 lb. bag). We also checked the stroller as luggage.

2. The wall-mounted bassinet was a lifesaver. It allowed more storage space, a place to set the baby down and let her play, and a sleep space. Our girls were about 21 lbs., so they didn't sleep very well in the bassinet (especially on our return trip, when they definately outgrown the bassinet), but it still allowed us loads of space to prepare food, let a girl play, etc. The alternative would have been exhausting: holding a baby each for hours, kicking our carry-ons under our feet, preparing baby food in our laps. Air France charged us on 10% of an adult fare for the bassinet.

3. We used the stoller and the backpacks the entire trip.

4. We found that flying at night worked much much better than starting a flight at the beginning of the day. This was because everyone in the plane, on an overnight flight, settles down and tries to get some rest. This allowed for a quieter environment and our girls slept about five or six hours on the overnight flight. The day flight was much different. As we returned to the US, we found we would land around 5pm SF time, but we were on French time still which would have been around 1am. However, everyone on our plane stayed awake, socialized, mulled around, bumped into us in the aisles while we tried to rock a baby. (I assume everyone stayed awake to integrate themselves onto SF time which was still daylight.) Our girls slept about 45 minutes because of the background noise and the bussle-about everywhere. It was exhausting for us all.

5. We rented convertable car seats from our rental car agency for the price of about $25 for the entire three weeks were rented the car! This was a great deal! Since we wanted to travel with stroller and with backpacks, we didn't have the added luggage allowance to bring car seats.

6. Airline staff were very helpful for the most part, regarding the special needs of our kids and the lack of sleep we were getting. The let us keep the bassinets attached to the wall for the longest possible time before we landed (you have to strap kids without their own seat into your lap on take off and landing) so our girls would sleep (they noticed our girls had been asleep only a few hours). They also kept our dinners warm until our girls went to sleep since we had to hold them much of the time they were awake.

7. The single most difficult travel detail I can remember was that we had no stroller to roll kids from terminal to terminal when we connected from Paris to the south. This was because we *had* to check the stroller as luggage. We begged to carry it on but the airline could not store it on the passenger deck. The lack of a stroller in connecting airports was a real ''bummer'' because we were dragging carry-on's and sleeping kids through an airport (one of you can push the luggage but the other can't really carry two kids).

8. Jet lag: keep your expectations low about getting out and sightseeing for the first four days. Your kids will be jet lagged and waking at California times for two - four days. This is tiring for you too, needless to say. They do adjust though so plan your more ambitious plans for mid trip and late trip. Allow for jet lag when you return too. I'd not recommend returning to work the day after you arrive home.

Hope this helps! travelled with twins


My family spent 3 weeks last summer in France with our (then) 12- year old. Although she's not really a little kid one thing we did that she enjoyed that younger kids would also enjoy was to stay in campgrounds instead of hotels. European campgrounds are wonderful and are where the European middle-class with kids go for their summer vacation. As a result everywhere we went we found lots of other kids of various ages just waiting for new kids to show up to play with. All the campgrounds had nice pools or even waterslide parks where the kids hung out (it was really hot last summer). I can still picture my daughter running around and having tons of fun with a group of Irish kids she met in one campground. Just take your tent and sleeping bags from home. Jon
We just got back from a trip in October with our then 20 month old son. Had a blast - also visited Belgium and the UK, but were in France for almost a month. Everyone was delightful - our son had balloons thrown to him from open windows, and was given coloring books, suckers and cookies (he'd never had them before) by everyone from shop vendors to waiters. We were even invited in to someone's house to play with the granddaughter and her toys. I can't imagine anyone here doing that to a tourist. In contrast to what some people have said about restaurants, most were quite happy to have him. Most diners were far more tolerant than our fellow Californians. We did not go to dinner as late as the single couples, and we did not go into restaurants where everyone was wearing a suit. The brasseries and local restaurants were wonderful. You might think about take away food for dinner, restaurants for lunch, as lunch can be both less formal and less expensive.

We had been to Paris before and so decided that that part of the trip was our son's. Up til then we took him in to all the tourist places, one of us leaving when he was cranky. He often fell asleep in his stroller, and didn't mind being carted round such places as Mont St Michel (make sure there's two of you to carry).

In Paris, we had ice cream across from Notre Dame on the Ile St Louis - Berthilland, I think is the name. We explored the parks and playgrounds behind Notre Dame, by the Invalides, and by the Eiffel Tower. The latter is terrific - a hand cranked carousel that children can ride without adults standing by them (safety belts) There were also tons of children, all multilingual - Spanish, French, Dutch, German, Italian and English being the most common languages. The Rodin Museum sculpture garden is free and has all the best sculptures, and the kids love to run around in it. We ALL had a magical time.

For a slightly older child there are many things of interest in the museums - the mummies and big sculptures spring to mind. The three day pass to the Louvre allows you to go in and out as you please, and avoid the queue of people buying tickets, once you have bought it.

Packing - by all means have two days supply of milk, snacks, and diapers if required. Don't overpack though - you can buy EVERYthing you need from diaper wipes to diapers to toothpaste to whatever there, and half the fun of the trip will be the odd side trips to find said items in some small town or out of the way corner in Paris. We took one big suitcase with wheels for our clothes, a small duffle for our son, two carry ons, the stroller, car seat, and a ''food bag'' with our sons on board stuff. We were gone for over a month and had a PC and telephone too. That and the cameras took up most of the carry on space. Nancy


Medium-term housing in Paris

October 2003

I am looking for a medium-term rental in Paris for summer 2004 (6-8 weeks). 1-2 bedrooms, prefer in 3rd 5th or 6th, or close to the Gare de Lyon. Does anyone have or know of or has anyone had experience with (positive OR negative) a rental property or an agency? There are so many sites and ads on the web, I would be grateful for any particular recommendations. Thank you! J


If you are able to exchange houses, check out www.intervac- online.com We did a house exchange to Paris in August and it was wonderful. The exchange included cars. Ours was only 2 weeks but I've seen many done that are longer. From now on, we think it's the only way we'll travel! mrsairzim
You might try the advert/classified section of the International Herald Tribune, where there are always ads for short term/long term housing in Paris. Try the Internet for house exchanges - not necessarily meaning that you have to put your home up for short-term adoption, but that there are people who offer their homes for rent during their absences. My family did that for a month in Paris when I was 10 years old, and we lived in Neuilly (a posh suburb on the outskirts, or ''banlieu'', of Paris) - it was a fantastic place and something I've never forgotten! Paris apartments are notoriously tiny, but you might get lucky - my brother and I each had our own rooms in this place (unheard of!). Bonne chance!!! Andrea
Check out www.chezvous.com. They are reputable, run locally and have very nice apartments throughout Paris. - RK

Paris with a 6-year-old

July 2003

We're visiting Paris this summer with our 6 year old daughter. Any ideas on fun kid things to do? After dragging her to MOMA too many times as a toddler, she doesn't want to set foot in another art museum. moni


I went to Paris with my mother and my five-year-old son in November of last year and we had a great time. There are obvious things to try, such as the top of the Eiffel Tower (the elevator ride is a big hit), the large ferris wheel at the Place de la Concorde, and the Luxembourg Gardens (great running space, lots of other kids and pigeons, as well as the marionette theater). To make the usual less crowded, you can try doing what we did -- we went at night. The Eiffel Tower was fabulous at night, and much less crowded. Though you said your child would balk at a museum, I think she might manage to get up some enthuiasm for the mummies in the Egyptian section of the Louvre and the outdoor gardens at the charming Rodin Museum (my son, no museum-goer, loved both). Plus the French bring their kids to the Rodin Museum to play outside. We found a good playground at the Jardin des Plantes, where our son got to play with other kids on a ''pirate'' play structure. There's also a modest playground at the Place des Vosges -- we liked it because it's such an extraordinarily beautiful square, and there were other families there with their kids playing on the teeter totters and climbing structures. In general playgrounds are good for talking to people and letting off steam (yours and the kid's).

When we wanted to go for a little toy bribery, Le Nain Bleu (The Blue Dwarf) was the place -- both wonderful old-fashioned toys and all the modern junk your child's heart desires, on three floors (!) of an elegant building. Wonderful service (you feel like you're in a design clothing store or a jewelry store rather than a toy emporium).

Finally, just life in the city -- running across the grand squares (my son likes to chase pigeons and indulged this on the Place de la Concorde and at Notre Dame), sitting down to dinner at a less formal but still delicious place, snacking on great pastries in the park -- nothing fancy, just life in general -- is great fun.

We went to Disney-Paris, but I wouldn't recommend it necessarily. Big crowds. Some fun stuff like an Alice in Wonderland maze, but I think my son enjoyed the train ride to the park most of all. Trains, subways, and boats! They were good. Amusement park rides... well, we have the same at home.

Bon voyage!

Linda R


The Jardin de Luxemberg (Luxemberg Gardens) has carousels, play structures, alot of room to run and is where Parisians take their kids on Sunday. Also, the Les Touillieres (sp) near the Louvre has a pond where you can rent toy sail boats. It used to be the royal gardens. The Eiffel Tower can have a long line, but she should enjoy the view from the top. Also, try a street market like the one on Rue des Mouffetard. And, she might enjoy a trip to Versaille (a REAL castle) that also has alot of grounds/gardens. Oh, and a boat trip down the Seine. Karen H.
Our then-6-year-old loved the science museums in the Jardin des Plantes: there is a paleontology gallery with skeletons and fossils, basically the same display that's been there since the nineteenth-century, and a flashy new ''gallery of evolution'' in the main building with dramatically lit displays of animals and lots of audio-visual stuff. Nice snackbar too. Both galleries are also interesting for adults. There is a geology gallery as well but we didn't have time to visit it. They are all under the aegis of the ''Museum d'histoire naturelle'' but there is a separate admission fee for each.

On previous visits we've all also enjoyed the ''Cite des Sciences'' which I think is in Vincennes, just outside Paris at the end of one of the metro lines (out of the way, but easy to get to). That is part of a new museum and activities complex which also includes a museum of musical instruments.

Our daughter loved the carrousel and swings in the Jardin du Luxembourg, and there are lots of small parks with play areas scattered around Paris. And I think her favourite thing of all was going to the top of the Eiffel Tower. Just don't try to buy anything to eat up there -- the food they sell is overpriced and bad.

A good child-friendly place to eat is the food court in the ''Grand Louvre'' complex. It's like a food court in an American mall, but the food is more interesting. The couscous is especially good, but there are lots of different options. Hannah Ginsborg ginsborg@socrates.berkeley.edu


We have taken our son, now 5 years old to Paris three times now. There are loads of things to do in Paris for children that age. Especially check out the Luxembourg Gardens. They have an truly fabulous park with amazing climbing structures to work off energy. My son enjoyed looking at the cathedrals. The stained glass windows facinated him. Also consider taking some day trips on the train. We had good success at Versailles, for example. He enjoyed having his own earphones to listen to the tour, although when he got tired, he had some trouble. There are loads of other nice parks too and carousels galore.

Restaurants can be a problem for kids in Paris, but there are some kid friendly places. Mine really liked a chain called Hippopotomus.

I think the key to traveling to a place like Paris with a child around this age is that the parents have to realize that they aren't going to be able to do all adult stuff. We tried to work in as many playing opportunities as possible, then hit the art museums while he slept in his stroller.

Vive la France! parent of a world traveler


When my brother and I visited Paris as children with our 
parents, my mother always did a marvelous job of planning each 
day.  I really can not recommend highly enough that you do a lot 
of research and have a coherent plan for each day -- with 
activities for everyone.


Mom's plans generally included a museum or monument, a kids 
activity, and a special treat -- something like a visit to the 
Louvre, sail boats on the pond in the Tuilleries, and indulge in 
hot chocolate at Angelina or a Nutella crepe in the gardens.  
And, every fourth day or so, we would venture out of the city on 
a bigger adventure.


MUSEUMS
Museums really don't have to be drudgery and, even if they are, 
they leave such lasting important impressions. If your child 
reports to despise them now, she will probably cherish the 
memories years later.  Activities to make museums more fun 
include allowing your child to visit the giftshop first to 
purchase a postcard of a work of art.  You can then go on a 
scavenger hunt to find the work.  You can play a similar game as 
you enter each gallery, just scan the room for a picture of 
something that would interest your daughter -- then ask her to 
find the picture with a dog, red flower, etc....


In addition to the Louvre, the Picasso Museum, the Orangerie, 
and the Orsay, you might also consider the following museums:
-- Modern art museum in the Pompideau Center.  Modern art can 
really appeal to children... and the spectacle outside the 
center -- street performers, a children's library, interesting 
water fountains.... is great.
-- La Cite des Sciences et de l'Industrie - One of the world's 
largest and most visited science museums is an impressive modern 
site in northeastern Paris. The Parc de la Villette is a unique 
area of culture and leisure in Paris. 
-- If your daughter likes dress-up, you might try The Musie des 
Arts de la Mode et du Textile which houses a collection of 
roughly 30,000 costumes from the 18th century to the present. 


MONUMENTS
All of the regular monuments -- Notre Dame, Sacre Couer, Eiffel 
Tower, Sainte Chapelle, etc... should be relatively enjoyable 
for your daughter. If you have read any picture books with her 
featuring Paris, then she should particularly enjoy seeing the 
real things.  


Additionally, I highly recommend a tour of the Seine on a Bateau 
Mouche.  The tour gives you a great overview of the city and is 
quite enjoyable for any age.


KIDS ACTIVITIES
Believe it or not, Paris really has tons of kid venues.  A few 
ideas include:
- Sailing boats on the pond, a carousel or pony ride in the 
Tuilleries gardens.
- One of the above activities and playing in the park or seeing 
a wonderful puppet show in the Jardins de Luxembourg.
- A couple of years ago, Paris erected a HUGE ferris wheel in 
the middle of the city, I haven't seen it, but it is supposed to 
be fantastic.
-- One of the best parks for kids is the Jardin d'Acclimatation. 
There is an admission charge for the park but it's worth every 
penny. This park is best visited on Wednesday. 
-- What about a Zoo? Though the largest zoo is at Bois de 
Vincennes, the most appealing is the small but wonderful 
Menagerie du Jardin de Plantes in the 5th arrondissement. 


GETTING AWAY FROM THE CITY
Versailles is a wonderful day trip from Paris....  The palace is 
interesting, but the gardens are really the highlight and a 
wonderful place for kids.


I also highly recommend a visit to Giverny (Monet's Gardens).  
This would be especially delightful if your daughter has enjoyed 
the book or video Linnea in Monet's Garden by Bjork.


SPECIAL TREATS
Who can think of France or Paris without thinking gourmet?  A 
highlight of my early trips to France was sampling all kinds of 
gourmet treats.  You might:
- allow your daughter to sample a different fancy pastry each 
day from a pastisserie
- go on a search for the best hot chocolate in the city 
(definitely try Angelina's on the Rue de Rivoli... an ornate tea 
room that serves ''hot chocolate...'' basically a melted chocolate 
bar.)
- Sample a different kind of crepe each day from a sidewalk 
vendor
- Try going to or three times to Berthillion's ice cream on the 
Ile Saint Louis for the best ice cream in the world in original 
and delicious flavors!
- do all of the above!

Bon Voyage!
Connellan

We went to Paris two summers ago with our two boys, then 9 and 5. We had a wonderful time. I bought a book -- 60 Things to Do in Paris with Kids (or something like that) -- and gave it to my 9-year-old with the mandate to plan our activities. Only EuroDisney was off limits. He picked some great things. Some were obvious -- like the Eiffel tower and the Louvre (where we spent most of our time searching for the mummies). But the off- beat things were best. Both kids loved the creepy tour of the catcombs -- a series of underground tunnels with walls made of bones. The tour of Les Egouts, the Paris sewer system (right on the Seine near the Eiffel Tower), was stinky, but a big hit with the younger one. The science museum (northeast corner of the city) was great, especially on the very rainy day we spent there. The kids loved climbing the stairs of Notre Dame and taking pictures of the gargoyles on top. We watched the Disney Hunchback of Notre Dame movie before we left, and tried to find as many details as we could that the film got right (and wrong). The Bateaux Mouches boat ride along the Seine was fun. We sampled every crepe stand we passed, drank Orangina at cafes and rode the Metro a lot. Our kids are not ambitious eaters, so we didn't try nice restaurants, but subsisted on french cafe foods like croque monsieurs (basically grilled ham and cheese) and pommes frites (french fries) and ordered in french. It was a memorable trip, especially seeing that great city through the eyes of the kids. Leslie
Lots of good responses to 'Paris with a six-year old'. A few additional things:

The city website lists all the summer events, including those for kids: www.paris.fr. There are, among other things, free outdoor movies at La Villette (this also happens to be where the Science Museum is). There is also ''Beach in Paris'' where the city brings in sand, parasols and beach chairs and sets up a mini-beach along the Seine.

The Eiffel Tower sparkles for about 5 minutes on the hour after dark, and is quite a thrill.

If it's really hot, there's a fabulous ''dancing'' fountain at parc Andre Citroen in the 15th (metro Lourmel), which kids run around in in their bathing suits--good free activity.

The play structure at the Luxembourg IS amazing, but costs money. Almost every single other park in Paris will have free play structures to climb on--a good one is in the Champs de Mars, near the Eiffel Tower.

Chartres cathedral is only about an hour away by train, and has stained glass windows that entrance even a two-year old, in our experience.

Do six-year olds like shopping? THE street for reasonable kids' clothing/shoes, and some toy stores, is rue St Placide in the 6th (and summer sales last until August 2nd this year). Aimee


Car rentals and carseats in France

May 2003

We will be traveling in France this summer, and plan to rent a car for about two weeks. Two questions: Does anyone have a positive experience with a particular consolidator or discounter? And, what about rental carseats? We will have to lug our giant Britax with us if we can't rent a seat for our soon-to-be-two-year-old. We'd like to have a carseat rental included with the car, but I'm concerned about the safety and reliability of the seats that are provided. Does anyone have experience with a French childseat rental? Alexa


We rented a car in France this past March with our then 4 month old. We lugged the Britax along with us, and we're happy we did. THe quality of car seats that we saw seemed to vary a lot, and none looked a ''solid'' as the big Britax. It fit fine in our medium (by US standards; large by French standards) car--an Opel. We rented from Avis; my husband did the price checking, and I believe they were the most affordable.

Also, you might want the Britax for the plane. We were able to use it on every flight we took. Just ask if there's a free seat just before boarding, and you might get lucky. It's a long ride to hold a little one...

Good luck. Again, I say, haul the Britax with you. anon


I have no experience with renting car seats in France, but for a long term car rental, I did best by handling the reservation from the US, dealing with the US branch of the rental company. This was 5 years ago. The best rate I got at the time was from Hertz. Laura
Alexa, Bonjour, I'm French, and I assure you that French car seats are the same ! Don't worry, you can rent a car with a car seat, I think it's free, just need to ask for it. But rent a good car, because in case of accident, the car is more important than the baby seat. Bon voyage ! Chine
Last summer we rented a mid-size car and car seat through Avis, I believe. The seat was made of foam and anchored only when the child was strapped in, definitely flimsy compared to our Britax here. OUr son was happy, we didn't worry about getting hit- we were in Provence with its lavendar, sunshine, and chevre!. If you are not going to be comfortable with a seat much less safe than your Britax, then I would suggest lugging it along. Bon voyage- christina
We've rented cars in France several times through AutoEurope, which is the main consolidator. Each time we've had a car seat included with the rental, always with great results. They were not as luxurous as our deeply padded one at home, but they all seemed very new, well-maintainted, and I felt very satisfied. The rental agencies over there are on the par with Hertz/Avis here. Nancy

Trip to Brittany with 7-year-old

Feb 2003

I am planning to go on spring break to a village in France called Noirmoutiers which is on an island near Nantes. Does any one have suggestions on travel and places that are interesting to a 7 year old girl in that area. Restaurant suggestions are also appreciated. Also what is the best route, fly into Paris and train to Nantes or Fly into Rennes and drive from there. Thank you in advance for your help. alan


I just went to Brittany with my mother a few years ago. It's fascinating. We traveled around quite a bit, so I don't know what to recommend for your 7-year-old around Noirmoutiers, but you might look up the Rough Guide for Brittany and Normandy and see if it has anything helpful to say. I have loved all of their guides that I've bought; found them very accessible and plain-speaking.

As for getting there, I highly recommend taking the train in. We took it to Rennes, but from the SNCF site, it seems like the train from Montparnasse to Nantes is just a bit over 2 hours. I found it easy (except for my mom beating me at Gin Rummy). Have a great trip! Jennie


When we were in Normandy two and a half years ago we rented a car at the Paris airport. Trains are great but driving around on the little country roads (once we got out to Normandy) was really wonderful. You can find a lot of off-the-beaten-track villages and cafes and bistros. I don't know how far it is from Nantes, but Mont St Michel is really cool. It is on the coast at the Normandy-Brittany border, I think. Just walking along the beaches anywhere on the coast can be fun, too. In Normandy there are some neat wetland parks. Great for kids who like walks. I don't know what nature parks are in Brittany. Market days are also great fun. Lots of local food specialities and lots of entertainment value. Don't know if they have them year 'round where you will be. It is always worth asking which towns might be having market days and when. Churches can also be really neat for kids who like art.

I am sure you can find info. on parks, events, museums, local craft studios and other stuff on line. Search under ''Brittany'' and follow links to the different ''departements'' (?) within Brittany. Recently I was able to find a lot of stuff on line regarding Normandy for a friend.

You have probably been to France before and you proably know this already, but just in case....make sure your daughter knows to say ''Bonjour Madam'' to the proprietor when she goes into a store and ''Merci Madam'' when she leaves. It makes such a difference to the French! Have a wonderful time! anonymous


Looking for Apartments, Villas in Paris

2001

I am planning a family trip to Paris next spring, and am looking for recommendations as to an apartment/villa to stay in. Can anyone recommend a place they stayed in, or a website they found helpful? Looking for somewhere that sleeps six and is close to public transportation, in a fun location. Thanks!! Kristin


There are several services that rent furnished Paris apartments by the day or week, including Sausalito-based Chez Vous. There are also several "apart-hotels" that provide apartments with daily maid service, including the Citadine hotel chain. The FUSAC publication (French-USA Contacts), a magazine of advertisements published in New York, lists many of the rental services and apart-hotels. Andrew
We are trying, at the last minute, to take advantage of some great fares and take our 3 year old to Paris for a week with friends of ours who also have a 3 year old. Does anyone know somewhere we can stay in Paris where we can get a suite with a common room and two bedrooms, or adjoining rooms, or something where we can put the kids to sleep and still have somewhere for the adults to stay up an enjoy? And, of course we are looking for something reasonably priced and near enough to the main attractions! Also, any suggestions of things to do in Paris with kids in March would be much appreciated. I have checked the archives, but didn't find much. Thanks.
There is a chain of apartment hotels in Paris called "Citadines" -- they range greatly in price depending on the location, but some of the ones in less fashionable neighbourhoods are relatively inexpensive. They used to have a web site, www.citadines.com, but the last time I tried it it was down. I recommend them for travelling with a small child since they come with a small kitchen and you can eat there if you don't feel like going out. They have suites with a small bedroom and a living room with fold-out bed, which means that your child can sleep in one room while you hang out in the other. The ones we've stayed in are child-friendly and have cribs. In my experience having a portacrib is not a necessity in London or Paris since a lot of hotels have cribs, but it's nice not to have to rely on them and it also works as a playpen if necessary. Hannah
As a French girl growing up in Paris, my brother and I loved to go to:

- Le Palais de la Decouverte (in the "Grand Palais", near Champs Elysees), abit like the Exploratorium in SF but a lot better (more hands on science demos)

- Le Jardin d'Acclimatation / Le Jardin des Plantes: huge natural history museum with dnosaur bones and green houses full of exotic plants from the jungle

- Berthillon: best ice cream/sherbets in Paris, located on Ile Saint Louis

- Bateau-mouche: motorboat cruise on the Seine river (best at night)

- you can also visit the sewers and the catacombs (2 separate tours) for a spooky and interesting side of Paris history, always a hit with the kids!!
Caroline



I lived for several years in the Paris region.
There is also:

- Le Musee d'Histoire Naturelle , after several decades of closure and recent
        renovation it reopened about four years ago, many stuffed animals and
        a dinosour skeleton (I think)
- Jardin du Luxembourg, Park with lots of people and many small attractions for
        kids, might be expensive since you have to pay every time
- Buttes Chaumont, Park with artificial rocks, hills, lake, waterfall, sort of
         "caves", very Parisian atmosphere, from high point view to Montmartre
- Chateau de Versailles

Petra
One great thing I did with my wife and then 1.5 yr old was in Versailles, where, instead of visiting the palace, we rented two bikes (one with child seat-no helmet though) and rode bikes, on a beautiful hot summer day, in the park/gardens. It was a lot of fun: we rode around the 1K long "Grand Canal", got to see the Petit Trianon and the Hamlet, where Marie Antoinette played farm. The bike rental place is at a gate called "porte St Antoine" I think, access to which would require a car. There they have kid size bikes and the rentals are reasonable. As a kid, I had to be dragged inside the palace, and it has left no fun memories, but I also got to have picnics and take my bike to the park, which I remember with great fondness. Eric

Places to Stay in Paris & South of France

April 2002

I am going to travel to France for two weeks in June with my two children. My daughter will be almost 9 years old and son almost a year old. The first week I think to spend in Paris and the second week somewhere in the south. Can somebody recommend a good place to stay in Paris, which is comfortable to be in with a baby and in a convinient location? I am not looking for luxurious and elegant place (though it will be an additional bonus :) ) but rather for a comfortable and nice hotel/apartment, near Metro and/or RER station, near park, with easy walk to restaurants and stores. Also would greatly appreciate recommendations on the places to stay in Southern France. I didn't decide on the exact place yet, so open to all suggestions. Thank you. Natasha


Last year my husband, infant son and I stayed at Novotel Les Halles. Very centrally located. Close to all the major sights, a Metro station, tons of cheap, good food. Geared toward families, etc. Danielle
Chez Vous, an outfit that operates out of Sausalito, rents apartments all over Paris. They range from modest (with the typical minimalist French kitchen) to quite opulent. We stayed last year in the apartment called Le Rossignol. It is a two bedroom place in the 7e arrondissement (Metro: Ecole Militaire), a few blocks from the Eiffel Tower. The place was modest (we didn't want precious antiques our kids could trash), but reasonably comfortable and it was great to have an apartment as home base.

Re South of France: That covers a lot of ground. I have one suggestion. I have old friends (a family I spent two summers with as a kid) who run a little auberge (Auberge de la Ferme de la Caille) in a small town called La Balme de Sillingy in Haute Savoie. It used to be a farm, and they still raise much of the produce they serve in the restaurant. There are campsites, several nice rooms to rent by the night, and a dozen or so cabins with kitchens that rent by the week. It is quite reasonable I believe -- perhaps $600/week for the cabins. They have a tennis court and swimming pool, and the town is up against a little mountain that is fun to hike up. The family that runs the place -- a brother and sister (Jean Paul Daviet and Marie-Claude Sottas)-- provide traditional French hospitality and are the nicest people you ever will meet. They live on the property with their families (as does another brother, Francois). There are lots of kids there, mostly from France but some from elsewhere in Europe. Some families have vacationed there for 15 years. My kids took off with a bunch of French kids (some resident and some guest) and disappeared for hours. The food is regional fare, very heavy on the cheeses and potatoes. Annecy, a jewel of a city on Europe's cleanest lake, surrounded by mountains, is about 15 minutes south. If you go there, it will be real French experience -- this is a little place that does no real advertising, no Americans have discovered it, and no one speaks much English. But I suspect it will be a blast. It was for us. The website is auberge-de-la-caille@wanadoo.fr. Phone: 04 50 68 85 21. Tell them Leslie sent you. Leslie


My husband and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Paris. I did a lot of research before our trip and found that the Fodor's website was really helpful. The rants and raves section (about hotels and restaurants) helped me to choose our hotel. Also, the discussion about Paris and France is very, very active. If you post a question there, particularly about traveling with children, I'm sure you'll get many useful responses. Check out www.fodors.com

We liked our hotel, Hotel de L'Abbaye, very much. Room was not large, but of high quality and it had the nicest European hotel bathroom I have seen. (Keep in mind our last trip to Europe was the backpacking/hosteling variety). Breakfast room was lovely, service was very good. If you are looking to spend $150-$250 per night, I would recommend, Hotel de L'Abbaye in the 6th. We did see a couple there with a baby who was about 14-15 months old. A major benefit for you would be that it is close to the Luxembourg Gardens where there is tons of open space and play equipment for kids. If you are looking to spend less, you can learn more about other hotels on the Fodor's site. If you want more info, email me and I'll send you my list of restaurants we liked and our best new ''musee'' find. Whitney


More Recommendations

Can anyone recommend some nice relaxing places to stay for a week in France with a 2 year old? We'd like to be near the ocean.
This is in response to the family that will be traveling to France. My husband, daughter (16 months at the time) and another family with a 17 month old daughter traveled to France in October. We spent a weekend in Fontainebleu and the next 10 days in Provence. We used Tom Reich with French Escapades. He is wonderful. I cannot say enough about the service he provided in finding us a great cottage. He asked us what type of accomodations we were interested in (apartment, house, cottage, hotel), the price range, and the "must have's" (washer, dish washer etc). He gave us a choice of 3 places, ranging in price from $850 - $1200 for two weeks. We ended up paying $550 for our share and had a wonderful house in the vineyards with walking trails, a 10K sq ft garden, patio, 3 bedrooms, and a great dining and living room area.

Tom also provides car rentals and train tickets. He found both families terrific deals on cars. I work for the airlines and usually my rates are really great but he got a better deal for me. We paid less than $200 for a station wagon. His number is 1 800 999 0244 or 510 253-7514. His web page is :http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/french_escapades. Lastly, his email address is:100755.2444@compuserve.com. He will also be able to help you out with places to stay in Paris. Have fun! Gloria


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