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June 2009
hi there,
Can anyone recommend an OB/GYN in the east bay that specializes
in fertility issues? I recently had a missed abortion and also
have been diagnosed w/ hypothyroidism. I'm a little concerned
that my current OB/GYN thinks my thyroid levels are ''normal''
especially given the fact that I've been trying to conceive for
a year and had a miscarriage in March. My acupuncturist was
actually the one who suggested I have my thyroid checked out and
has been more helpful with fertility information than my OB/GYN.
Thanks in advance for your recommendations!
If you have fertility concerns, head straight to a reproductive
endocronologist. Most ob/gyns have some fertility knowledge and
will try to be helpful, but what they can do is quite limited. On
the other hand, there are many great doctors in the Bay Area
associated with fertility clinics who can answer the questions you
have, suggest other things to look into, can go as far as you
need/or want to go, and save you a lot of time in the process. I
found Drs. Willman and Weckstein
very helpful, but the best thing to
do is to interview someone and if it doesn't feel like a
fit...interview someone else. Hopefully everything will resolve
quickly and easily for you.
Good luck
While not in the East Bay, if fertility concerns are primary and you
can travel, I highly recommend Valerie Baker at
Stanford Fertility and Reproductive Medicine Center
clinic (http://www.stanfordivf.com/). I spent about a year trying
to get pregnant at a clinic in another state, and when I moved to
the East Bay, decided to go to the Stanford clinic (despite the
drive). I've never regretted the decision. I found the entire
office incredibly thoughtful and well-managed, down to providing
free coffee and wireless in the waiting room. I found that Dr.
Baker was very careful, and thorough, as well as being a positive
person who just made me feel at ease. I always felt like my
questions and concerns were respected and received helpful
responses. It was clear she was thinking about my case in
particular, and while the diagnostic tests she recommended in my
case did not reveal a problem, it was good to know that, and I was
disappointed that my previous office was not nearly as thorough. I
felt listened to,
and liked that (except on weekends) I generally saw my assigned
doctor. That said, the other doctor I interacted with there on
occasion, Dr. Lathi, was also excellent. It's a first-rate
facility, and after only a few months trying under Dr. Baker's care,
I'm pregnant (and thrilled). Even though I'm sure she sees success
stories frequently, I was touched at how excited Dr. Baker was with
me and for me when the pregnancy ''took.'' I'm not at all convinced
that I would have gotten pregnant if my standard of care had
remained what it was at the fertility clinic where I went
previously.
Note that this is not a full service OB/GYN office; now that I'm
nearly 10 wks. pregnant, I'm transitioning to another provider in
the East Bay for prenatal care and delivery. However, I would
absolutely do it again despite the hour each way to get there. If
you can time appointments so you miss rush hour (and I usually
could), you can get there with minimal hassle, and you will have
some of the best care that's available.
Happily Pregnant at Long Last
I am sorry to hear about your recent miscarriage. You should check
out Dr. Henry ''Hank'' Streitfeld
in Berkeley. I think I actually
found him through BPN. We went through something similar and he was
incredibly kind and warm and took great care of me through the
miscarriage, subsequent pregnancy and post-partum. His sense of
humor isn't for everyone, but he is an excellent physician and has
been helping couples with fertility issues for years. Good luck!
anon
Run, don't walk to a fertility specialist. There are a lot of great
clinics and fertility doctors in the Bay Area. Maybe someone will
be able to steer you towards a good OB GYN, but I have heard too
many bad stories about wasted time with GYN's. I used
UCSF
Fertility Center.
been there
Oct 2007
I'm looking at past posts to the BPN site and wondered if there
was more up to date information on local fertility clinics. I
just had a horrible IVF experience at Stanford and am looking at
other options.
I'm considering either Dr. Chetkowski at Alta Bates, or the
Zouves Fertility Clinic in Daly City.
Does anyone have any recent experience with either?
Zouves has higher statistics of live births, but I've also read
many positive posts about Chetkowski on this site.
Any advice would be really appreciated.
K
So sorry that you have had such a bad experience with IVF. We also had a
terrible first experience with a fertility doctor in San Francisco. After
that we shopped around for another doctor very carefully. We even looked
out of state. We decided on
Dr. Victor Fujimoto at UCSF's Center for
Reproductive Health. He was very informative and supportive. I also saw
other doctors there and felt they were excellent as well. We were in it
for the long haul and did eight cycles. I felt Dr. Fujimoto and all of
the staff at UCSF monitored my medical care carefully and handled my
seesawing emotions with amazing patience. If I had to go through it all
over again I would without hesitation go to UCSF.
I think that statistics are very important but that they can also be
misleading. One clinic may have a higher number of live births simply
because they only treated those patients who had a high chance of success.
A frequent use of donor eggs could also make the numbers higher. There
are a lot of factors that go into these statistics and they all need to be
separated out to be accurate. The first fertility doctor I saw had great
numbers. After seeing her a few times she told me (very coldly and over
the phone) that because of my high FSH it was impossble for me to get
pregnant (wrong!). Devastated I went back for another appointment where I
was told (again very coldly) of my options. After I declined the use of
donor eggs she refused to try IVF with my own eggs and said if that is
what I wanted to try I needed to go somewhere else. At UCSF there was
none of this arrogance. They gave me the information I needed to make
informed decisions and then supported me.
Best Wishes from Someone Whose Been There
I did IVF with a clinic based in Marin, www.marinreproductive.com, and
worked with Dr. SAE H. SOHN, M.D.
He was recommended to me by the
fertility Dr. I was seeing at the time at SF Kaiser, who wasn't able to
offer IVF at that time (3 years ago). I believe Dr. Sohn's office has
recently joined to become an extension office of the UCSF reproductive
clinics. Dr. Sohn was incredibly gentle and calm. His office and staff
were very available and supportive. In our case, the problem was male
factor. IVF with ICSI worked for us - we did one cycle of harvesting eggs
and one cycle of implantation that resulted in a very healthy baby girl. I
was 38 at the time of pregnancy. I did have an over reaction to the
hormones for harvesting the eggs, but he was able to slow down the
treatments to complete the cycle without having to start all over again.
All the procedures were done in his quiet, private office. A very serene
location. I traveled to Marin from Oakland via the ferry and walking,
but it was worth it. I recommend him highly. Feel free to email if you
want to discuss further.
maxine
We initially used Pacific Fertility Clinic in SF.
They made mistakes, were difficult to reach and had
higher prices than UCSF. They actually made a very egregious mistake in
our cases by giving us the wrong form, hence wrong instructions and
medical schedule, thus aborting a good pregnancy. And I know of two other
couples with negative experiences with them.
We ended up using UCSF,
which was fabulous. UCSF is a non-profit as
compared to many fertility centers, their prices are lower, their staff is
top notch - on the cutting edge of research, they are very pleasant, and
very accessible. I couldn't recommend UCSF more highly!
I know you asked for local clinics but I'd look at Portland, OR. I know it
sounds far, and yes it adds to the cost, but they have great success rates
- I would definately consider travelling. I don't reccomend Pacific
Fertility in SF - had a bad expereince there before starting a cycle & was
mislead by doctors - well, lied to really. I cycled at Stanford with
Manchi about 3 years ago & did not get pregnant but it was not a bad
experience (needed PGD and they were the place to go for that). Sorry you
had a bad experience there. Consider Colorado too.
good luck
we worked with Pacific Fertility
in the city, and were happy enough with
them to go to them again recently to try for another (we work with Dr
Schriock). they are quite professional, caring and competent, if busy.
I would also highly
recommend getting acupuncture starting a few months before you try to get
your bod in a receptive condition.
worked for us
I would highly recommend that you check out Dr. Schriock and Dr. Givens at
Pacific Fertility Center
in San Francisco. After seeing another local
highly regarded RE who missed a basic condition I had and was never
available for phone calls, I changed to PFC and after 4 IVF's (I have a
rare problem) we are due with our first child in 5 weeks. Dr. Schriock is
smart and compassionate and worth the cost and commute.
Wishing you GOOD luck!! IF is hell.
Anon
We used Zouves
on the recommendation of our acupuncturist, Angela Wu. Dr
Zouves was warm, hard working and very supporting. When he heard Angela
Wu had reffered us he said to continue taking her herbs and following her
guidelines, and was supportive of eastern pratices. I also liked that he
looked at immune system issues in regards to fertility. Every doctor I
had seen said I'd get pregnant no problem based on my blood tests etc, to
no avail, but Zouves looked more deeply. And now I'm the mama to twins!
Another thing I liked was that he worked with my schedule- didn't put me
on birth control to sync into his schedule. He works weekends too! I was
very happy with Zouves.
Stephanie
Best fertility clinic in the Bay area is actually in a Denver, Colorado
suburb called Englewood. It's called The
Colorado Center for Reproductive
Medicine. They are the best in the country. I'm currently pregnant at
age 44 from a cycle there with my own eggs. Almost any other IVF lab in
the country would have killed my embryos at this age, but on day three
they were all 8-cell grade 4 or 4- (4 is best at CCRM). They also tested
the eggs' polar bodies so they could discard genetically abnormal embryos
(aneuploidy), thereby decreasing my potential miscarriage rate.
The way to become their patient is:
1) schedule a 1-hour telephone consultation ($250)
2) fly to Denver for your one-day workup, in which they will repeat all
testing including hysteroscopy and sperm analysis
3) cycle with local monitoring until you fly to Denver for 4-14 days,
depending on the protocol.
You can see all the clinic outcomes on www.sart.org or get them as a
downloadable excel spreadsheet from http://www.cdc.gov/art/
This may not show up niceley in the BPN newsletter but I took the excel
spreadsheet, deleted all the clinics except California and CCRM (I had
previously figured out CCRM was the best), deleted non-Bay Area clinics,
deleted clinics that were too small to have any statistically significant
results, and sorted the outcomes by the live birth rate for the youngest
patients (see key at the bottom). The youngest are the easiest to get
right.
good luck!
A tough case, I wouldn't go anywhere else
I would like to strongly endorse Dr. Zouves.
I found his bedside manner
to be impeccable, and his thoroughness to be unmatched. Yes, you will
probably have to undergo more pre-cycle testing than at other clinics
which can be more expensive and perhaps annoying, but he leaves nothing to
chance, and no stone unturned in heading off at the pass any potential
problem with a cycle.
I had a negative experience at UCSF, where I felt like I barely had a
relationship with my primary physician there. I saw whoever was on call.
Dr. Zouves is unique in that he's a one man show. It may take a little
longer to get in to see him, but I really think the quality of care is
worth the wait.
I don't know anyone who has done IVF at Alta Bates, so I can't speak to
that, but you have a ringing endorsement for Zouves Fertility Center here.
Rebecca
We were so underwhelmed with PFC (Pacific Fertility Center) and their
statistics ''less than 8% chance'' of a pregnancy that we also traveled to
Colorado for our first IVF
at CCRM and had the best experience possible. Dr.
Schoolcraft is the very best!
Finally a Mother at 42
I missed the original post on this, but read the responses. I saw one person
recommended highly against
Pacific Fertility Clinic in San Francisco, and I
couldn't disagree more. I went to another clinic (RSC) and didn't think they
were aggressive enough, and got discouraged with insurance run-arounds and
the inability to ever see my doctor. So I switched to PFC and saw Dr. Eldon
Schriock. He is amazing, empathetic and encouraging - yet realistic. I never
had a problem scheduling, their fees are comparable to any other in the Bay
Area (it's not a regulated field, so everyone's prices are high, quite
frankly) and they are extremely professional and compassionate. After 4
miscarriages and one failed IVF (the first failed IVF was at PFC, for the
sake of honest reporting), I am now 5 weeks from my due date (a singleton).
Speaking of which -- PFC is also not SO aggressive (at least Dr. Schriock
isn't) that you'll end up with a scary number of multiples, which is
something to consider. I wouldn't necessarily go on pregnancy rates provided by clinics,
either. Technically, a twin pregnancy I had that only reached implantation
and no heartbeats, goes down in the stats as a pregnancy. It's more
important you go with a place that makes you feel comfortable and confident
- because that will help you conceive as well.
-- Anon.
I underwent two procedures at Reproductive Science Center (RSC). The first was using a donor (from which
I believe 24 eggs were harvested but the lab was only able to produce a
small number of embryos.) Despite being told that the procedure was
perfectly executed, that procedure was unsuccessful. The second procedure
was an FET (frozen embryo transfer).
The day before I was to go in for the FET, a nurse called to confirm the
medication I was taking. It turned out that one of the necessary
medications had not been prescribed, after a brief silence on the phone, the
nurse said that she would call me back. When she did she said it was still
okay to proceed. The next day, I asked the staff if not having that
medication made a difference. All assured me it would be fine. Well, that
cycle also failed, maybe because of the medication or not, who knows.
I decided that after spending thousands of dollars and having nothing to
show for it, I wouldn't proceed any further. I told RSC to either discard
or use the remaining embryos for research. Several months later they billed
me for several months of storage saying that I needed a notarized document
to discard. Of course, it would have been nice if they had told me that
originally instead of waiting several months and racking up more fees of
$250/quarter.
To add to the already pleasant experience of two unsuccessful procedures,
shooting needles in my legs for months, and spending thousands of dollars
for failed treatments, they then disputed a $500 discount that had been
offered for 2nd cycles and threatened collections.
Happy Mom Of Beautiful Adopted Son
Nov 2006
I am trying to find out if anyone has had a good experiece with NOVA. I am 39 and they seem
to be the only program in the area that offers the guarantee or multi-try packages for women
over 38, but I haven't seen any postings about them. Also, if people know of other places in
the bay area that offer this to people over 38, I'd love to know that as well. I also heard
that Kaiser Walnut Creek and Hayward do IVF, but can't find success rates anywhere, so would
be interested to get feedback on them too. You can also email me at rebdwlng@yahoo.com.
Thanks
I was 39 when I enrolled with Pacific Fertility Center
in SF. If you are under 40,
and after a couple of basic hormone tests, you pass their screening, an MD may approve
you for their ''shared risk'' program. Essentially you can pay for several IVF cycles
at once, for a lot less than the cost of two separate ones, and the cost includes any
frozen cycles with extra embryos left from a cycle. Of course, if you get pregnant
the first cycle, you've paid for a second cycle that you didn't need. Cost excludes
meds and a few other things I can't remember but the main costs are included. It
worked in the end for me (on second cycle) and I gave birth at 41. You may want to
check them out. Good luck. kate
You can get stats on IVF success rates at various infertility clinics on the CDC
website at: http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ART2003/clinics03.asp
Unfortunately they run a few years behind and so 2003 is the latest, but 2004
statistics should be coming out soon.
My advice to you would be to look beyond whether a clinic offers a guarantee/discount
plan and instead focus your efforts on the clinic that will give you the very best
chance of success. Surprisingly, while the Bay Area has so much to offer in so many
areas, our infertility clinics do not have the highest success rates. I ended up
going to Portland Center for Reproductive Medicine
in Oregon, and it was surprisingly
easy, with comparable costs and very little travel necessary. The Colorado Center for
Reproductive Medicine also has excellent stats for older women.
Good luck to you
Anon
Aug 2006
Hello:
I am thinking of switching to Blue Shield HMO from Kaiser. I
am just starting to be seen at the Kaiser fertility clinic, and
both my Kaiser and potential Blue Shield only pay for 50% of
treatment. I am wondering what current recommendations might be
for a Blue Shield OB/gyn in the area who also deals with
fertility issues. I'm also wondering if more simple fertility
issues (non-IVF)could be addressed as a regular office visit to
an Ob/gyn, and not a fertility specialist, which would be
covered in full as opposed to 50%. At Kaiser you are
automatically transferred to the fertility clinic so everything
is only covered at 50%, even though I would imagine some of
the tests could be done by a regular ob/gyn. So, I guess I'm
trying to find a good ob/gyn who is good with fertility issues
and might also be willing to see patients for this as part of
a regular office visit.
Thanks,
Rebecca
I have heard that some primary care docs and OB's will give
Clomid without asking a patient to see a fertility doc first. I'm
not sure who they are, but you'd best just be direct and ask
them. If you are uncomfortable with it, just first say ''I am
trying to optimize my insurance coverage for fertility treatment,
which can be very, very costly.''
By the way, lucky you that your insurance pays 50%!
JM
Hello Rebecca,
I don't know about Ob's who also deal with fertility issues,
but I do have some advice. My husband and I have a 17 month old
son who was conceived using injectible medications combined
with IUI. (I'm hoping you know about the infertilty lingo...)
This was while we lived on the East Coast. We moved to Walnut
Creek about 8 months ago and have recently been thinking of
trying to have a second baby. My husband is a physician who
knows the Ob/gyns and Infertility docs in the area. Through his
work and personal connections, he decided that Reproductive
Science Center would be a good place for us to start. We have
seen Dr. Willman and Dr. Hinckley and have been very happy with
them so far. We have yet to embark on any actual treatment, but
I have a few friends who had success at this clinic.
We recently switched to Blue Shield HMO. As you know the
fertility coverage is not great in California. So I completely
understand why you are trying to find an Ob/Gyn rather than a
Reproductive Endocrinologist (RE). However, speaking strictly
from a medical point of view, I would urge you to go straight
to an RE if at all possible. Though some Obs do have an
interest and experience in fertility, I don't think it can
compare with that of a specialist in this field. I have read
countless books and articles on the topic. The consensus in the
infertility community is that it's best to go straight to an RE
if you have been trying to have a baby for 12 months or more
and have been unsuccessful. The number of months goes down to 6
if you're 35 years or older.
So I guess I would answer your second question by saying that
yes, it may be possible to address ''simple'' fertility isses at
a regular office visit with an Ob.(I'm not sure there is such a
thing...) I realize I am speaking without any knowledge of your
fertility problems. Even so, if you truly do have infertility,
your very best bet would be to see an RE at least once. Hope
this helps, and best of luck to you.
Anon
I had fertility issues too and I would recommend going to see a
fertility specialst if you're serious about conceiving. If you
have a medical spending account at work, the copays for
doctor's visits (even IUI) are covered
been there
Hi-
I can't speak for certain on the fertility issues part of your
question. But I can recommend an OB that might fit your bill.
I've seen Dr. Kanwit at East Bay Physicians Medical group
(formerly known as OB/GN Fertility Specialists)for my first
pregnancy, and now ongoing for my second. I had Blue Shield
HMO with my first pregnancy (and subsequent visits) and now we
have Blue Shield PPO. Once my OB gave the thumbs up after my
first child, we spoke of fertility (1st one was unplanned), but
we didn't go too into depth, since we weren't quite ready for a
second yet. I believe she (or really any of the doctor's in
the group) could handle what you are asking for. You can
always call them and speak to their office staff, they are
friendly. Their phone number is (510) 845-8047. They are
located in Berkely on Telegraph, just above Ashby Ave.
Goodluck! I hope you find what you need! Oh, and you can
always contact me directly if you need more info.
kukana
June 2005
I'd like to hear from women who've done IUI or IVF recently at
some of the Bay Area clinics and to get feedback on their
experience. My husband and I recently tried Reproductive Science
Center in Orinda and I'm not sure how we feel about the
experience, and would like to compare to other people's experiences.
If you're reading this and have recent (2004 and after) and
relevant experience, or know someone who does, we'd really like
to get some feedback. thanks.
Re: Experience with Bay Area Fertility clinics? (June 2005)
Recommended:
Pacific Fertility Center
Reproductive Science Center
Stanford Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility Center
UCSF Center for Reproductive Health (4)
May 2005
Does anyone have experience (good or bad) buying IVF medications online from
European (or other overseas) pharmacies, such as www.ivfmeds.com? The prices are
considerably cheaper than even the cheapest U.S. based online pharmacies, and
appears to be the exact same products (Gonal-F). They say they account for the
time customs takes in their estimated shipping time. Other than the additional time
shipping, does anyone know of any reason NOT to order from overseas? Thanks for
any advice.
Hi,
I bought Gonal F and Antagon from ivfmeds.com a couple of years
ago for IVF #1 and would highly recommend. It was a very easy
process, the order arrived within a few days (sent from a
London pharmacy) and I saved a ton of money - we were
completely self funding. As an aside, there's a website called
freegaragesale.com which, in its medical category, lists
private sales of IVF drugs. I had a good experience with a
seller for my 2nd (successful) IVF cycle, but it's obviously a
little risky.
Good luck!
Nov 2004
I have Blue Shield PPO and am absolutely amazed and frustrated
to find that there is not a single RE listed on my plan within
100+ mile radius! I have called my insurance provider
already...this is how I know about the 100+ mile radius.
Arrrrgghhhh.
Any of you have any experience with a local East Bay RE AND have
Blue Shield as your insurance and would be willing to share your
little secret??!
Prefer someone in the East Bay.
Many thanks,
Lauri
I highly reccomend travelling down to Stanford if you can
manage it. Incredible staff, doctors, nurses etc -- and they
take just about any insurance (from what I gather). I did IVF
down there and was able to schedule all my app'ts to avoid
traffic. Parking is easy too.
Good luck
I know this might sound nutty, but since most companies have
open enrollment in December, you should immediately change your
insurance if you can. We had really horrible coverage with Blue
Shield/Cross for infertility. We had expensive co-pays for
everything. If you are beginning this journey, you are much
better off with Kaiser or another plan that covers way more of
the testing and procedures. That said, we ended up having to
pay for our IVF out of pocket, but at least we had all the other
things that we tried paid for first. Sorry that I can't help you
find someone local.
Annie
August 2003
I've had trouble keeping early term pregnancies and was advised
to see an Endocrinologist. Does anyone have experience with
Dr.John Linfoot or with other area endocrinologists for dealing
with potential reproductive issues?
seeking answers
I went through 4 years of infertility and did a ton of
research. While you can go to any basic endocrinologist for
your basic testing (fsh, etc.), I'd recommend Dr. Zouves for
being the absolute best in the area. His email is:
http://www.goivf.com/
Also, if you're 40 or over, there is a wonderful email list
called ''fortility'' which is for women of this age trying to
conceive. I found it to contain some of the smartest, most
upbeat, well-researched people I've ever met. Go to
www.surrogacy.org for info.
good luck,
cat
Rachelle Halpern in Berkeley 843.5000 is a great
endocrinologist. I'm sure she'd be happy to talk to you about
fertility issues and whether or not she can help. Good luck!
peggy
I understand your request is in regard to reproductive issues
but I thought you might like to have any comment regarding
Linfoot's office. My husband is currently seeing Dr. Linfoot
for thyroid problems.
We recently moved to the Bay Area and had not even seen a GP
when my husband woke up recently with a very large growth on his
throat. We found a GP who immediately sent us to an ear, nose
and throat specialist and he, in turn, sent us to Dr. Linfoot.
This all happened within 5 days.
Dr. Linfoot had no appointments available but he stayed after
hours to see my husband.
I am very particular about doctors and believe in taking a
proactive role in health care. Prior to our visit with Dr.
Linfoot, I spent hours and hours on the internet comparing
information as well as talking to several doctor friends from
the Houston Medical Center in Houston. (We just moved here from
Houston.)
Dr. Linfoot was excellent. He answered our multitude of
questions. He was current on all different types of
procedures. He was patient and kind, never rushing us in any
way. I was very impressed.
We are down to a decision regarding surgery to remove the
thyroid and Dr. Linfoot is working with us to make the
decision. I highly recommend him as an endrocrinologist.
PJ
I saw John Linfoot for a thyroid problem a few years ago, and I
wasn't thrilled with the practice. While I liked him and the
other doctor I saw, I thought their follow-up was not very good
or very thorough. I got the impression that the specialty of the
practice was diabetes. I suggest you find someone who
specializes in reproductive endocrinology specifically. Not only
do you want someone who knows all the latest developments in
this area, but someone with at least an inkling of the emotional
issues involved with these problems as well. RESOLVE of Northern
California used to have a referral list of fertility
specialists, you might contact them.
Mary
Nov. 2003
Re: IVF
Please check out http://207.44.160.141/board/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=108
or http://207.44.160.141/board/allboards.html You
will find tons of information on IVF in California at the link
above. Several people have been have listed recommendations, or
experiences at the clinics you have mentioned. If you have
trouble with these links please let me know. Good Luck! Mary
May 2000
Resolve of Northern California is a group that helps people with fertility
problems in a number of ways. I received their helpful,
informative newsletters and joined one of their support groups during our
struggle with fertility. (I don't know if this is more than lucky coincidence,
but everyone in my support group ended up having a child or children
one way or another.) The phone number is (415) 788-6772. It's in San
Francisco, but our support group was in the East Bay and the annual
conference we went to was at Mills College. Your friend should call
them and find out what is going on in San Jose, and about other large
scale events she could attend. www.resolve.org
I would also recommend a support network for fertility Resolve. They have a web
site and have a good deal of information and terrific volunteer support. Here is the
northern California chapter web site http//www.ihr.com/resolve/nchome.html
Best of luck!!
Molly (5/00)
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