Peaceful Divorce?
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Peaceful Divorce?
Nov 2008
My husband turned 50 last year and said he decided he had to be honest
in his life. He told me he hasn?t been in love with me for many years
and wants a divorce. I am very angry, in part because it will be so
hard on us financially, and in part because I?m afraid of being lonely.
But, I don?t want my anger to lead us to war in court. I?ve heard such
terrible stories. We have three kids, all under 10 years old, and I
don?t want them to be destroyed by this. I don?t want to be destroyed
by this myself. A few years ago there were some posts on BPN on whether
getting divorced in a peaceful way is possible. I guess those posts are
still relevant but I can really use some present-day inspiration. Is it
possible to get over the anger and have a peaceful (or at least
semi-amicable) relationship with someone who hurt you like this? And
has anybody used a professional mediator who really helped them achieve
peace with an ex where there was a lot of unresolved anger? I need
some hopeful words!
After nearly 20 years together and three children 12 and under, I have
made the decision to leave my marriage. It came as a huge shock to my
husband, although I have been telling him for some time that I was
unhappy. Despite his pain and anger, we feel strongly that it is in our
children's best interest that we try and divorce peacefully. We both
have divorce coaches, will retain collaborative attorneys, who pledge,
along with us, not to pursue litigation, engage the services of a
'financial neutral' and a child specialist.
While this sounds like a lot of people (and a lot of expense) it turns
out to cost less if everyone is on board. My divorce coach is Eve Poling
and she has an office in Rockridge, but there are many to choose from. I
recommend you take a look at this website:
http://www.collaborativepracticeeastbay.com. There are many regional
organizations. I had never heard of this prior to my husband locating
someone who practiced this way.
If you think this might be an interesting solution for you, I encourage
you to check it out.
I have no false illusions that this will be trouble free, but we are so
committed to our sons coming out of this well, we will set aside our
issues to serve their best interest.
Although my husband is very angry at me, we both agree we want to
'uncouple' this way.
Best of luck to you.
Going through it, too.
Sounds familiar. Two days before my 50th birthday, during a marriage
counselling session, my ex-wife announced that she wanted to end the
marriage. Together we explained the situation to our 13 yr old son. I
went to a divorce recovery workshop at the Lafayette Orinda Presbyterian
Church (not religous) and that helped. We stayed in the same house for a
few months until we could find our own places. We agreed on splitting
time with the child. We continued to see our couples therapist but used
her as a co-parenting coach. We mostly agreed upon the financial split,
but that took several years to complete. We both have moved onto other
relationships and remain cordial with each other. It can work, and in
the long run it may be the best solution for both you and your children.
It will be ok.
Hello - I read your message about your hope for a peaceful divorce. I do
think it is possible. My husband and I have been married for 15 years
and have a 7 year old boy. We are just starting the process of divorce
mediation with attorney/mediator
Larry Rosen. I read positive reviews
about him on BPN and Larry was recommended to me by a resource called
Divorce With Dignity. His website, www.throughUnderstanding.com resonated
with me and the way I'd like to go through this unfortunate process.
Having just met Larry last week, my husband and I both felt he was very
kind, honest and intelligent. We left his office feeling very positive
that, with Larry's navagation, we could find a way to still care for one
another so that we can meet our most important need - the well being of
our child. I too have been very angry at my husband and I know that
holding that type of energy is causing me tremendous physical and
emotional pain. Everyday, through all the chaos, fear and unknowing,!
I choose to be peaceful and seek ways to support that choice.
Meditation, taking walks & reading helpful books. Knowing that besides
being a loving mother, one of the most important things I can do for my
child is to find a way to be peaceful with his father is incentive enough
for me. Go to the library and get every book that feels right to you.
Conscious Divorce, Ending a Marriage with Integrity by Susan Allison is a
good one. Using Divorce Mediation, Save Your Money & Your Sanity by
Katherine E. Stoner (NOLO) is a very helpful guide. Give peace a chance.
We have to believe it is possible. The alternative is bleak.
Lazarous
Hi there,
First off, I'm sorry you find yourself in such a difficult situation. I
went through it myself and it was a huge challenge: shocking, hard, and
painful.
To cut to the chase, though, yes, it is absolutely possible to have a
peaceful divorce.
I think there are two issues: first, can you deal with your own anger?
and then second, can you have a peaceful divorce? The second part depends
in large part on the first. This is absolutely huge. I have some ideas
about getting over anger, and I'd be happy to share those with you in a
private email if you're interested.
Now regarding divorce, my ex and I decided to go the mediator route. We
chose Larry Rosen,
who's a lawyer and trained in Nonviolent Communication
(NVC). Larry helped us get to the roots of what each of us wanted and
needed and figure out how to get it. He helped us communicate calmly and
effectively and understand each other better. I heard my ex express
things I now realize he had been feeling for years but I never really
got, and I think he experienced the same thing. Larry is skillful,
insightful, and calm. With his help we created a (very unusual)
settlement agreement that addresses our needs and desires in a way that
works for both of us.
One very unusual thing about Larry is his pricing structure. He asks for
a ''gift'' of a certain amount of money per hour, and then the clients
decide whether they can comfortably pay that, and offer what they can.
That rate remains flexible; we changed ours as circumstances changed.
Larry's first concern is that the process works for everyone: his work is
valued and appreciated and the clients feel they can afford his services
and remain committed to peaceful separation.
In short, I worked a lot on myself to deal with anger, and we got a great
mediator. My ex and I went from barely speaking last December to
celebrating Thanksgiving together with our children and my new partner
this year. We're not unusual---you can also have a peaceful divorce.
All the best to you.
d.
I am 51 yr old woman who a few short years ago ago felt trapped in a very
unhappy marriage of 20+ years. I felt alone and helpless. I was afraid
of what was going to happen to me and my young child. I had no money, he
had total control of everything. I could not talk to my husband about
anything he was very verbally abusive. BUT I took a chance and contacted
a Mediator whose info I saw online. This choice was was one of the best
I have ever made! He was able to connect with my husband (not easy!!!)
and sit down with the two of us and workout a peaceful plan and we were
divorced but our daughter was not caught in the middle of a ugly scene.
This was a miracle!!!! My daughter was in first grade back then and now
is in sixth, she is well adjusted and did not have to be put in a middle
of a war zone. I am convinced this would have NEVER happened if it were
not for one of the most decent and honorable men I have ever met. To tell
you the truth I did not think he was for real at first, he was so genuine and caring but I found out that he is
truly one of those rare individuals who dedicate their lives to helping
others. Thanks to him I do have my life back, and most importantly my
daughter is a happy and healthy child who is not in the middle of chaos.
I have to do my part now, don't feel alone. A peaceful divorce is
possible. I can't recommend Larry Rosen
enough. There are no words. His
website is www.throughunderstanding.com He has an office in Berkeley.
His number is (415) 235-8968.
Good luck to you. Remember there is hope. Divorce is difficult but
there can be a life for you and your child or children after the details
are worked out. My ex and I will never be best buddies but we are able
to co-parent and be mature adults.
Sara
Hello...I can offer you some very current advice. I know,
because my husband of 18 years and I have decided to end our
marriage. We are intentional about our mutual desire to figure
this out in a peaceful manner. Recently we learned about a
group of practitioners that fall under the title of
collaborative practice. They help couples resolve the myriad
of issues facing them when dissolving a marriage, especially
when children are involved. Here is a link to their website:
http://www.collaborativepracticeeastbay.com/
I hope it can help you. We are hopeful that it will help us
keep our family emotionally whole.
Going through it, too.
Yes, it can be done. Six years after our split (we were
together for 20 years), we are friends again just like we were
when we first met, supportive and helpful to each other. Our
children (now 16 and 19) benefitted from our weekly dinners and
fluid visiting, custody arrangement (we had something on paper,
but we have always been very flexible). A good couples
counselor can help you work through and have a ''good'' divorce,
for the children, and for yourselves as well. Richard Bush
(841-1845) is on several insurance panels and was extraordinary
in helping us both come to terms with the changing shape of our
individual futures. It made all the difference for us. Good
luck.
Been there
I think it is possible. I am in the middle of figuring it out myself. My situation is
similar to yours, and I understand your feelings of hurt, fear, and anger.
I am motivated by what I DON'T want in my relationship with my ex: the constant
stress of fighting and hostility, unpleasant encounters witnessed by the kids, etc.
You know the type of divorced couple I'm talking about, the ones who always bad-
mouth each other and can't seem to get past their hatred of each other. That's what
I don't want. I don't want my life to be controlled by him/my feelings about him.
Like you said, you don't want to be destroyed by this yourself.
So when I feel hurt or angry and I want to lash out, I try to hold myself in and
communicate in a positive, respectful manner. I'm not saying it's easy, it's not, not
at all, and I don't always succeed. I have to fake it, a lot of the time. But when I
make an effort to be friendly to him, he's (usually) friendly to me. We've tried to
keep the good parts of our relationship in our post-married state. We get along
pretty well most of the time.
Look at it this way: you have three kids under ten together. You are going to be a
part of each others' lives (whether you want to or not) forever because of that. It's
up to both of you to make it what it will be.
I read a book called Still Friends: Living Happily Ever After Even If Your Marriage
Falls Apart by Barbara Quick. Even though she doesn't give a lot of tips on how to
accomplish this, there were a lot of anecdotes in the book that made me think it
was possible.
I know it's hard. I really, really know. But I think it's worth it. It's got to be better
than the alternative.
Rooting for you
Yes, a peaceful divorce is possible, and is really the way to go
for the sake of the kids. Yes, there is pain and disapointment,
but I got past that by focussing on the practical matters. We
had one lawyer to fill out the paperwork, and we decided
everything else fairly on our own (custody, visitation, etc.).
Mediation is required and a mediator is assigned in Contra Costa
county, so we did that. Then the judge said as long as we could
decide how to split kids and property on our own and we were
both happy with it, then he wouldn't change our decisions. Now
several years later, my ex and I get along fine, joking over our
kids' birthday lists and going to soccer games together.
-- good luck
of course you are angry. your whole world has just turned
upside down. If your husband is certain this is the path he
wants to take, you can either do this kicking and screaming or
you can do this with dignity.
You will respect yourself more if you take the high road. It is
hard-but you will sleep well at night knowing you did the right
thing. Your kids will be less traumatized if you can keep the
ugliness out of their view..............
been there, done that
If you're looking for a mediator to help you, I cannot recommend highly enough the
Non-Violent Communication (aka Compassionate Communication) mediators that
you can hire through baynvc.org. They are wonderful, compassionate people,
dedicated to helping people create more peace through better communication. Go to
the web site and contact the office, let them know that you are interested to hire a
mediator. Many of their instructors are also mediators, and they can get you in
touch with some one who can help.
You will find this a life altering experience (for the better), I promise!
Alesia
I don't know about peaceful divorce. Sad that your whole life
has to be turned topsy-turvy. But if he says he is no longer in
love, it means he does not want to make an effort and I would
focus on yourself and your children as fast as possible. ''If he
does not want me I do not need him or want him either'' is the
best possible mental state to develop quickly. And don't assume
you will be alone. My 50 year old co-worker with 12 year old son
is getting remarried on New Years eve. Happiness could be just
around the corner. Downsize as quickly as possible. No
possessions are worth the mental stress of financial anxiety.
The health and happiness of you and your children will come from
within. Having an unhappy person out of the home and having a
home and things you can easily afford will put you on the right
track.
Sorry and good luck.
Myst
May 2004
Hello, I have been married for 13 years and have two young sons.
My husband had an affair two years ago and we haven't been able
to be close or warm to each other since (we've tried). I'm
finally ready to leave the marriage. But I don't want to go
through an ugly divorce. Though I'm still very angry with my
husband, I care about him, and most of all, I want to set a good
example for my kids. I want expert help but I don't want to
fight. I'm afraid to see an attorney because I suspect (s)he'll
tell me that I should fight for what's mine, and I don't want to
go that route. Does anyone have a recommendation for mediator or
an attorney that can help me get through this peacefully? I mean
with caring. Also, I don't have $10,000 to spend on the process,
so I guess that's a constraint with attorneys. (I know there are
some similar postings but they aren't exactly on the subject, and
they aren't that recent).
Thanks kindly
I highly recommend Eva Herzer as a mediator. We could
barely talk without getting into a fight when we started
mediation. Eva provided a safe and structured environment and
walked us through the process in an amazingly efficient and calm
way. She helped us focus on what really mattered, especially our
co-parenting relationship. We ended up with a complete
agreement, including a division of our assets, in less than 2
months. I really liked how balanced and fair she was, making
space for both of our views. The whole process also helped us on
the road to better communication and our agreement has proven to
be very workable. Eva also did all of the legal paper work to
get us divorced without us having to go to court. Her fee was
very reasonable, expecially for someone as experienced as her.
She is located in Kensington, off Solano Avenue in Berkeley (510-
526-4144).
Anonymous
Hello, wow, I'm really sorry to hear about your divorce but
congratulations on going the peaceful route. While I am myself
married the reason I'm responding to this post is that my sister
was divoced a year ago and is (remarkably) still on warm terms
with her husband (he too cheated on her). I didn't think that
would be possible, and actually advised her to see an attorney
and basically make him pay, but she said she had heard about this
lawyer who helps people divorce with kindness and peace, and she
wanted that for her kids. And in the years since, it's worked
out suprisingly well. Okay, I just received an email from her
about it... these are her words, which she told me to post...
I used a man named Larry Rosen, who runs a service called
Through Understanding. His website is
www.throughUnderstanding.com. (415-356-9834. They have offices
in Berkely and SF) All I can say is that the approach is
shockingly different. In all disputes, he tries to help the
people understand each other's perspectives and re-connect. He
says that all conflicts are caused by people not understanding
each other and that all solutions, if they are to be enduring,
must resolve the underlying relationship issues. He helped us be
friends again after what was the most painful period of my life.
Yes, we're actually friends, or at least we still care about
each other, which is the best thing in the world for my kids.
And here's the really strange part (which is also really
beautiful) the billing system is gift-based, or something like
that (I forget what he calls it). Essentially, he has a billable
rate that he ''requests'' but then allows you to offer him whatever
works best for you. I thought it was scam when my neighbor told
me about it, but it's for real. I don't think he's got a
psychology background, though I do know he's really into eastern
philosophy and has written books about the subject. He is a
licensed lawyer though (strange combination of attributes) and so
he did all the legal work as well as helping us redefine our
relationship. It wasn't easy, and is still sometimes very
difficult, but it was kind of like a spiritual divorce (if that's
possible). I tell everyone I can about this service because I
really do feel like he gave me a gift. I think he's pretty busy
these days...but give me a call and please tell him I sent you.
I really hope this turns out well for you. Write me if you want
more advice.
Becky
Just a thought. Have you considered a good marriage therapist?
Even if you're both through with trying to work it out, and are
set upon divorcing, you will still have parenting issues to work
on in an ongoing basis.
Maybe you want to consider talking with a therapist about the
best way to end the marriage, so by the time you get to a
mediator/attorney, the legalities will be more formalities.
I don't know many skilled couples therapists, but I know one who
has specialty in couples work, and I've gotten good feedback
about. She has offices in Danville and Albany, Dr. Yael
Goldblatt.
Good luck.
anon
We worked with Eva Herzer on the Kensington Circle. She has a
degree in psychology and was formerly a divorce lawyer. We were
very pleased with the results of her mediation. She is easy to
talk to and humane. K
One nice thing about the Bay Area is there are lots of good
family law mediators. I used to be one myself, so I know of
many.
One I know well and highly recommend is Eva Herzer - 526-5144.
She is in Kensington and used to be a family law litigator, now
does mediation and is highly effective and well regarded.
For custody and relationship issues I would also recommend
Adele Grunberg - 530-9049. She is a lawyer and has a degree in
mediation but did not practice family law so I would use her
for relationship issues but not complicated property division
issues.
Good luck!
amy
I would also like to recommend Through
Understanding and Larry
Rosen, who is an attorney and mediator, and just a surprisingly
down-to-earth practitioner. My business partner used Larry for
her divorce a year ago and actually came out of the divorce
feeling happy about the direction of her life. She actually
asked Larry to continue counseling her after the divorce (but I
think he declined for some reason). I then had a pretty ugly
dispute with this business partner of mine and we used Larry as
well. This is the odd part: you actually get to choose your own
level of compensation, which I found both refreshing, and yes, a
bit strange. Well, we're still in business together, and we
chose to compensate Larry fairly well. I'll tell you, I
understand more about my partner now and feel closer to her than
ever. I'm not saying his approach is right for everyone or every
dispute but it's just so basic and clear: he assumes that all
perspectives are valid and then helps people understand where the
other person is coming from.
Like the other person who mentioned Larry, I recommend him at
every opportunity . His website is www.ThroughUnderstanding.com.
Best wishes,
J
There is a relatively new and branch of family law called
Collaborative Family Law.
It sounds like it can work for a
divorce in which the 2 parties are fairly amicable, but are
having some trouble communicating. My understanding of it is
that each person has an attorney, but both parties agree that
they will not enter into litigation. If they can find no
resolution and do feel the need to litigate, both attorneys MUST
step down. This provides the CFL attorneys incentive to help the
parties come up with creative alternatives and better
communication. I know about it only because my father has
entered into this type of work after retiring as a law school
professor. He is in Southern California however. I'm sure there
must be lawyers up here in the Bay Area who are engaged in this
type of work. You might just try doing an internet search
for ''collaborative law''. If that doesn't come up with anything
useful there is a website he gave me which is
www.santabarbaracollaboritivelaw.com
Lise
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