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Neighbor claims our side of the fence is their property

August 2008

We bought our first house 5 months back in Montclair. Our immediate neighbor claims that a strip of land in our backyard is part of their property. The part of land in question is about one feet wide and runs along their fence until it ends in the back. The funny thing is that they built a fence and left a piece of *their* land on our side of the fence. We have a survey from our previous owners. The survey has a map with measurements, but we do not know how to read the survey. The backyard is kind of an open lot with trees. Up till the house structure we can measure the side yard with their fence and see that the fence is on the correct property line. Immediately after the house ends how can we measure the land with their fence? There is a pole with a white cloth at the far end of their property, but there is no mention of this in our survey. We want to put a fence (our fence) on the correct line believing that there is a strip of land belonging to the neighbors. Can someone please advice us whom to contact? Can a fence contractor read the survey? Another survey would be expensive for us. Thank You. anon


A fence contractor probably would not be the best person to correctly interpret your survey. I could do this and with your assistance probably determine the location of your property corners (within an inch or so) based on your survey.

This can be a complicated problem depending on what information you have....or it could be relatively straightforward. I'd say it shouldn't take but a couple of hours to discuss this with you, examine your documents and do some field measurements.

A property resurvey would set you back about $5000. (I don't do these) I am a Landscape Architect, but know a lot about civil/ engineering survey work. Ray


Be careful about the fence situation. If the neighbor ''owns'' a piece of your land, the people you bought the house from should have told you this. I would ask your real estate agent to consult the other real estate agent and see if the former owners ''forgot'' to disclose this to you. If they did not disclose properly then maybe they should have to pay for a surveyor to come out. I am curious why the former owners had a survey done in the first place.

Ask your real estate agent about the laws about how people can take over other people's property in a hostile and nonhostile manner. The title report should accurately define the borders of your property. Nolo Press probably has a book about this or you could google the topic on-line. judy


You have the legal description of your parcel, the drawing of this description. You need a licensed surveyor. When a parcel is originally surveyed, and its drawing made, stakes are put into the ground along the border of the parcel. They are imprinted with the surveyor's name, legal testimony that the stakes represent the true boundary. Another surveyor uses the drawing to do his own survey. Your neighbors may have a surveyor. Some surveyors take bribes. If your situation is contentious, knowing some facts about surveys, and having a good surveyor, may help you avoid expensive litigation. I had ''neighbors from hell''. They were an Assembly of God Church (Sarah Palin's denomination) that claimed part of our property as being part of their parking lot. We had some experience with them already, none of it good. So we hired a retired surveyor who had been head of the department that does surveys for a city near us. He told us that a parcel description always reads from ''the point of beginning''. This means the surveyor must locate your boundary by measuring from this point all the way around the parcel.

The surveyor they had hired was about to put a new set of stakes into the ground at their preferred boundary. The boundary they wanted worked when the parcel description was read backwards, because the parcel is not flat. When he realized that my husband knew about how to survey, he folded up his equipment and walked away. If his stakes had gone in, it would have cost us tens of thousands of dollars in litigation to get them out and get our land back. Our surveyor did the true survey and recorded it with the county, and we put up a sturdy fence. Most disputes aren't this bad, but land is expensive, and there are many people who covet their neighbor's land. It is well worth protecting yours. Relieved


Neighbor agreed to share cost of fence, now refuses to pay

Nov 2004

About a year ago, an elderly neighbor died. A few months ago, her son (over getting the house ready for sale) agreed to pay for 1/2 of a new fence, providing that he only pay for the backyard portion (we are extending the fence to the front of the houses). I mentioned that a contractor friend would be helping us, and would charge for his time, but that my husband would do the majority of the work at no cost to him (which he did). When we got to his gate, and asked about preferences, he insisted that we pay for half of HIS gate, which I thought was unreasonable, but went along with it. He was very happy with the result. When we gave him the bill ($500), he became difficult, saying that he shouldn't have to pay for either our friend's time, the cost of having the materials delivered, or the rental post hole digger (his portion of the latter 2 was $30!). Mind you, he witnessed the fence being built, so he saw that we had help and that we used the rental item. He demanded receipts, so we politely put them together, cross-referenced with the bill. Even without the charges he objected to, the materials still came to almost $400 of the $500 bill. Another month has gone by, and still no reply. I am temped to write the entire episode off, but on the other hand, I don't want to be taken advantage of. We are not made of money, and it will clearly improve the value of the house he is about to sell. If he doesn't ever pay us, do we have any recourse? Could we put a lien on the house? Should I just move on? anon


You should go to small claims court. Get the Nolo Press guide to small claims. Anon
You may be able to file a "preliminary notice" and then a "Mechanic's Lien" on your neighbor's property. Here's a link with some information. http://www.mechlien.com/ See if it applies to you. Good luck. Gizella

Sharing cost of a fence?

Nov 2002

We are having a contractor rebuild the fence around our yard in a couple of weeks. Can we expect our neighbors to contribute some if we share the fence? Anyone have experience with this to share? Thanks! - Madeleine


A year after we moved in, we approached our neighbor about replacing a shared fence. We offered to purchase the redwood panels and hire/supervise the workers. We estimated the cost of the job and asked if he would be willing to pay part of the cost. He was thrilled to have us take care of all the details and agreed to pay 1/2.

On the flip side, a different neighbor approached us with a bid from a contractor to fix a retaining wall and build a new fence from scratch. We thought the bid was very high and encouraged her to get some others.

She got a few other bids but really wanted a first class job and we could only pay for a budget one, so we offered to pay 1/3 of the cost and she seemed fine with that. -Sharon


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