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March 2008
Hi,
My husband, 3 month old son and I have outgrown our home in SF
mission district and are seriously considering purchasing a home
in Berkeley. We both work in SSF so our current commute is only
15 minutes. When I return to work, our LO will stay home with a
nanny. If we move to Berkeley, we will take BART and then a
shuttle to work which would increase our commute to an hour and
15 minutes. We aren't sure if LO will commute in with us and go
to a daycare near work or stay home with a nanny or daycare near
home.
I guess I'm wondering if the commute and time away from our
family is worth the lifestyle and community feeling we lack in
the mission district but may find in Berkeley.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Katrina
My husband and I both work near the Civic Center in SF and live
in Berkeley. Our son is in preschool in SF. We mostly drive
and use the carpool lane (3 persons in car, no toll) so it is
about 30-40 minutes door to door (one way) unless traffic is
bad. Other times we use BART, which is about 60-75 minutes
door to door (one way). The additional time is mostly due to
the walk from BART to office with a dawdling toddler.
The good: I get to spend my commute time with my son, and no
worrying about late pick up fees from preschool due to traffic.
The bad: BART days can be a little long, especially when my son
is cranky due to end of day, however, I find most BART patrons
to be incredibly tolerant (many even smile) as I am singing the
A-B-C song or some Music Together tunes to keep my son
distracted until we get home.
a
I recommend you consider Alameda. I grew up in Berkeley, and love it, but
we found
Alameda to be more affordable and liveable. Very neighborhood and
community-
oriented. As for what childcare works best, I have done all 3 options you
describe
and they each work best for different ages. Since you both work near each
other, if
you can find good childcare near your work, that might work best for you
with your
baby. The benefits are peace of mind of being close to baby during the
day,
confidence that you will be able to get to him by pick-up time, and
flexibility after
work if the 3 of you decide to have dinner in SF. With our 2nd baby, we
decided to
have a nanny take care of her at our house and who could also pick up our
older
child from school. Now that 2nd is in preschool, she is in a school near
our house to
develop friendships with local kids who she can see on weekends and will
go to
kindergarten with them. Both my spouse and I have commutes that take an
hour or
so, and we find the quality of life in Alameda to be well worth the extra
time.
Good luck with your decisions!
--commutin' mama
This commute sucks. I did it for about 1 1/2 years, because I
really really needed a job at the time. I commuted from central
Berkeley, only 5 minutes from Ashby on-ramp to SSF-Grand Ave
exit and it was sometimes (rarely) as quick as 30 minutes, but
usually closer to 45 minutes getting there, and 1 hour coming
home. This was driving. Tried the BART/bus thing, and don't fool
yourself, this is supposed to be close to 1 h 15 min but never
seemed to be less than 1 h 30 min each way. Think about it,
that's 3 hours everyday wasted on commuting! Even if you have
your baby with you, is that how you want to spend your time
together? I know it's difficult to give up the idea of owning a
home in a town that is a great place to live, I still live here,
own a home, and I absolutely love living here, but no longer
have the SSF commute. I got a job that provides a reverse
commute North which is much more livable! Think about getting
new jobs in a reverse or no commute before moving over here,
like I said I did it for about 1.5 years, and it was
AWFUL!!!!!!!!Terrible!!!!!!! Oh, did I say it was just
dreadful?!!
anonymous
Don't do it. That sounds awful.
--I want my off time ''off'' not commuting
You and your husband now spend a total of 1 hour a day commuting.
If you move so that you're 1 hr and 15 minutes away from work,
you'll be losing a total of 5 hours a day, between the two of
you. You'll regret it!
You can rent a larger place in a nicer neighborhood in San
Francisco, close to work. When your baby is old enough to want a
back yard with a swing set (and after house prices have stopped
plunging), you might have changed jobs and would need a house
closer to your new job.
A nice thing about renting is that you can try out a new
neighborhood for awhile before you buy a place there.
Neighborhoods near elementary schools have more of a community
feeling, because all of the parents get to know one another
through their kids' activities.
Walk to work
Feb 2007
I might be doing my master's at Berkeley starting this fall. We
live in the city, currently w/o a car. I am planning to get one,
but I am scared of the commute to school. Am I insane to consider
this? Will I spend my day in traffic.
MCPM
All the students I know who commute from SF to Cal take public
transportation. If you listen to the radio in the morning they tell us
about all the accidents and tie-ups on various highways and then they
almost always end with ''And BART has fifty-five (or whatever number)
trains running on time.'' I know that not every neighborhood in SF is
equally accessible via public transportation, but the university also
offers deals on transit passes for the busses.
That said, you probably will be commuting against traffic in your car.
Good luck.
public transport to the city
You don't say where in SF you live, which makes a big difference.
But even if you have to get Muni to BART from where you are now, I'd say
you're crazy to think about driving every day -- I'm guessing the
master's program wouldn't be longer than a couple of years.
It's also obviously going to make a difference how many days you have to
go in, but you should seriously consider using BART as your main way of
getting in.
I commuted 2-3 times a week for a year from Noe Valley, which in SF
meant either one Muni metro car, a bus and metro, or a long walk to
BART. And then I had a hike up to the east side of campus. It wasn't
that bad -- I got reading done on the commute in and some fresh air on
the walk. And when I did occasionally borrow a friend's car to drive
over, even the reverse commute in was a pain and coming back was SLOOOOW
if I left after 3:30 p.m.
-- and then I had to pay parking and bridge toll on top of that.
Nextbus (http://www.nextbus.com or http://nextmuni.com) also makes
taking Muni easier.
Good luck deciding!
Happpy commuter
Don't do it. The commute to Berkeley is a reverse commute and shouldn't
be too bad (though Bay Bridge work will present some problems in the
next couple of years). But parking is impossible around campus, and
expensive if you buy a reserved spot. Take BART or the AC Transit
Transbay bus. You'll be glad you chose not to drive.
Michael
I don't know where in San Francisco you live, but unless there's some
really persuasive reason not to take BART (like I dunno . . . you have
to carry lots of heay awkward equipment for your program? You'd often be
at the library until after midnight? You have complex disability issues
not noted in your post?), it's what I'd recommend. I lived in SF and
took BART to Cal throughout my undergrad career, and found it great. You
can study on the train (unlike driving, which is basically wasted time),
and even in the most horrible weather, campus is a reasonable walk from
dowtown. Or, you can always take the bus a few blocks.
I now live in Berkeley and BART to work in SF, and the few times I've
had to drive really regretted it. Our transi system may pale in
comparison to those of real cities like New York or London, but for
getting from SF to Cal, it'll do ya just fine.
BART evangelist
The commute from SF to Berkeley isn't so bad -- as long as you have
somewhere to park. It's a ''reverse'' commute, so there tends to be
less traffic heading that way during peak times.
Also, depending on where you live in the city -- public transportation
is great! When I was doing the school commute into SF from Berkley (to
USF), I took BART and a bus and usually arrived within 45 minutes if I
timed it right. Plus, when you're not driving -- you have time to read,
study, zone out, etc.!
Good luck!
Yes that is crazy. The traffic you will be sitting in is not so much on
the bridge as circling the campus looking for parking, or else paying so
much for parking that you will wish you were renting an apartment. Take
Bart or the F bus.
anon
You did not say why you are not thinking of BART but it works very well
for the students I know. They use the car sometimes but usually just
take the BART.
Commuter
Cal is literally a block away from the Downtown Berkeley bart station.
Try BART and see how it goes.
Good luck!
Ann
I did the reverse of your commute for four years when I lived in North
Berkeley near Rose and Milvia. I took the N.
Berkeley BART to USF for 2 years, then to UCSF for another
2 years. I used the N Judah to and from BART in the City.
I found the commute to be easy and about one hour each way. It was
quite rare for there to be delays on either system, but that depends on
which MUNI you take, of course.
On the Berkeley side, the Downtown Berkeley BART is just a block from
the west edge of UCB Campus. Now I work on campus where the parking is
expensive and I hear a lot of complaints about availability. I have
several coworkers who commute from San Francisco via mass transit... and
have done so for years.
So you are NOT insane to commute, use BART, catch up on reading, take a
snooze, and you won't have to worry about bridge traffic.
Former Berkeley -SF commuter
Are you anywhere near a BART station? Or can you get to one without too
much trouble? If so, I'd strongly suggest taking BART to UC. It's not
so much the commute I'd worry about as the parking; parking is
exceptionally tight here, and not cheap either.
Karen
Do you live close to a BART station? Or can you take a bus to one? If
so, you can commute to Berkeley by BART. The campus is very close to
BART and shuttle buses can take you to the top of campus (I think) if
that is where your department is. There may also be some vanpools from
the City to Cal.
anon.
Sure, if you want to stay in SF, you can do it. I went thru the
Berkeley MCP program while living on the western edge of SF, without a
car. Your best bet is to rely on MUNI/BART.
More time for studying. It's a bit of a hike to DCRP once you get to
Berkeley, but it's doable. Bringing a bike on BART could be an option if
you can get class times that coincide with BART bike hours. Driving
shouldn't be too bad, since it will be a reverse commute during
off-hours, but parking in Berkeley will be a big problem. Go the public
transit route whenever possible.
dr
Jan 2007
I am contemplating a move to Moraga and am trying to research
the commute. I would be commuting as a solo driver (I am not
allowed to pick up casual carpoolers), most likely from the
southern part of town. How long will it take me to drive to
downtown SF from there? I am interested in best-case scenario,
worst-case scenario, and the average. Also - what's the back-up
like for the tunnel in the morning/evening?
Anon
The only way to really find out is to go do it, as it will vary mostly
by the time you leave. But have you considered driving to Orinda bart?
anon
My husband communtes from our home in Moraga to SF almost everyday. We
live in the south part of Moraga, which is the area nearest to Canyon.
He says it takes anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes to get to the city --
the 90 minutes obviously being when something bad happens on the roads,
which would affect the commute wherever you live in the East Bay. Also,
he says the tunnel flows in the morning (sometimes slowly, but it moves)
because both bores are headed west. Only if there is an accident is
there a problem. Also, the most common delays happen on the approach to
the bridge, which would affect you if you were coming from just about
anywhere east of SF.
Here are his tips:
--Take BART if you can.
--If you go down Moraga Way through Orinda to Hwy 24, you need to leave
the house before 7:15 or after 8:30 am. (There is a bit of commute
traffic, and the high school traffic adds a lot.) Otherwise, it can take
you half an hour just to get to the freeway.
-- If you need to leave for the city between 7:15 and 8:30 or if Moraga
Way is backed up, you can go over Pinehurst Road (in Canyon)to Redwood
Road, and then down to 580. (Everyone around here calls that ''going the
back way.'' I've done this going into Oakland many times and it is
pretty darn quick--it will take you either to Redwood Road or to
Montclair, depending on which way you go--plus it is a beautiful
drive...but don't do it when it is freezing! The road gets dangerously
slippery.) Moraga Momma
I live in south Orinda, and my experience is that the *real* back-up
happens long before you reach the freeway or the tunnel. At some times
in the morning, instead of the usual 6 minutes to the freeway from my
house, it can take more than 20.
Moraga Way is only two lanes and can't handle all the a.m. commuters as
well as traffic from kids headed to school.
Orindan
My brother-in-law also commutes from Moraga (nr. Canyon). I don't know
if this is feasible for you, but he drives over the Canyon road and then
picks up casual carpoolers on Park Blvd.
in Oakland. He works right downtown so it is easy for him to drop them
off in the a.m.
anon
Feb 2006
We are considering moving to either Piedmont or Orinda. I work
at San Francisco. How is the commute in the morning and
evening? Which one is better, Piedmont or Orinda? What's the
best way--driving, bart, carpool, bus(if there's any)?
Lisa
Piedmont (where I live now) and Orinda (where I've spent a lot of time in a living-there sort of way) are both great communities. But after experiencing both, I find Piedmont a much easier place to live.
If you're going to drive to SF every day, Peidmont is much easier. Where you get on the highway in Piedmont is one of the last exits before the Bay Bridge, versus Oridna, where you have to suffer through getting through the Caldecott Tunnel and snailing through 24.
But Piedmont also has a great casual carpool going, so if you're going to work in downtown SF you can just catch a ride with fellow Piedmonters and speed right through all the bridge traffic as the car pool lane starts right after the Piedmont highway onramp. Downtown SF in about 15 minutes by carpool.
And for coming home there's a bus that goes straight from downtown SF to Piedmont.
If you want to BART you can buy a parking space at the Rockridge BART station only about a mile from Piedmont.
In contrast, Orinda has it's own BART, though the lot fills up around 9amish. And their carpool shares the same negative as just regular commuting as the carpool lane is far, far from Orinda, so you crawl through a lot of traffic before you get the benefits.
Aside from that, in Oridna you're going to drive EVERYWHERE, and it's kind of a pain because you're sort of out there. In Piedmont, it's 15 minutes to downtown SF (off coummute hours),
15 minutes to the Oakland airport, 10 minutes to the huge shops/malls/theatres of Emeryville, and you can walk to the park, schools, town center, Piedmont Avenue....Let's just say that in Oridna you're always getting on that highway again, and in Piedmont it's like everything you need is right down the street.
But both towns are full of friendly, interesting people, so you can't really go wrong either way.
Andrea
Unless you are going to live walking distance from the Orinda BART station, I'd say Piedmont is easier. Getting through that tunnel at rush hour is just brutal. If possible, take the Transbay bus from Piedmont - I used to take it from Montclair to downtown SF and it was wonderful - plush, clean seats (and plenty of them, unlike on BART), many stops so there was one walking distance from my house, and you get dropped off near the Financial District in SF. A lot of days I did the casual carpool to SF in the morning and the bus home. You can find great bus (and other transit) info at 511.org - try their TripPlanner at http://transit.511.org/tripplanner/index.asp.
JP
Hi-
My husband commutes from Piedmont to San Francisco every day (we are at the Piedmont/Oakland Border area). He takes the Transbay bus (line C or P), and says that is the best way (as long as you are communting between (5:30-8:30 ish in the am & 4:00-7:30 ish in the pm). Go to www.actransit.org for specific schedules. Average commute time 30 minutes, but it can vary as traffic varies (both am/pm commutes). We've lived in the Piedmont area for many many years now, so I think we are partial to it. We looked into Orinda when we were house- hunting, very lovely area, but if I recall correctly our main reason was that it would add to hubby's commute time (if that it a consideration). From there I believe it's Bart. I'm sure
you'll get some responses from people in the Orinda area!
a satisfied piedmont commuter family
I can't speak for Orinda (other than knowing that BART goes there), but Piedmont, depending on where you live, has casual carpool options as well as AC Transit trans-bay bus service.
Whether those would work for you depends on where in the city you work. For driving, Piedmont is cleary better, since you only have to deal with the bridge, and not the tunnel.
Check out www.511.org for various commute options.
A transportation geek :)
Jan 2005
I would be very interested in hearing any tips about the Bay Bridge
commute from parents who live in the East Bay, work in San Francisco
and have children who attend school in the East Bay. My husband and I
currently live and work in SF and have been trying to find a house to buy
in Berkeley. We've found a school we like in the Berkeley area for our 4-
year-old daughter, but I often need to be in SF until 4:30 or so and am
worried I'll be stuck on the bridge and won't make it on time to pick her
up from school.
How early does one need to leave SF to be in Berkeley by 6:00? What's
it like being on the other side of the bridge from your child during the
day?
Are there any strategies you've found useful to lessen the stress of
commuting? Thanks for any hints you can give.
I would not drive unless you can leave before 4 pm. It will be a crapshoot in terms of
traffic. For 60 dollars, you can get reserved parking at BART, (or if both of you will
be in the car on the way to BART, you can get a free parking permit for El Cerrito
Plaza from the Carpool group: phone number is posted at El Cerrito Plaza BART)
It took about 25-35 minutes to get from Embarcadero to El Cerrrito. And sometimes
BART has delays. I found that if I was on BART by 4:15 I could get both kids (one in
west Berkeley, one in North Berkeley) by 5pm or so.
Paula
You can call 511 or go to traffic.511.org to get driving times
from San Francisco to Berkeley, as well as lists of any
accidents, etc. It won't help you if something happens once
you're already in traffic, but if you check it about 30 minutes
before you leave work, it can tell you what the current
conditions are, which may help you plan your trip and/or reduce
your stress level.
Michael
Is your office in SF anywhere near a BART station? If so, I
highly recommend the West Oakland option -- paying to park at a
private lot at ! the West Oakland station, then taking any train
in. It removes bridge traffic from the equation. It does, of
course, add the BART commute variable to the equation, but, for
all the complaining that people can do about BART, it's still a
far far better bet than Bridge traffic, especially since you can
take any train to West Oakland.
If not, 4:30 to 6 seems like adequate time for even the worst
bridge traffic days, although a lot depends on how far off the
Bridge you need to be at either end. For peace of mind, you'll
want a ''Plan B,'' someone you can call if you are stuck in
traffic, but as long as you have a trusted Plan B, you should be
fine.
commuter
One word - BART! Get a parking space at a BART lot (there are
some where you can get a reserved space for a monthly fee -
it's MUCH cheaper than parking the in the city.) That way your
commute is not subject to the vagaries of traffic - far too
stressful. My husband and I both work in SF and live in
Berkeley. We take BART into the city every day, sometimes
together, sometimes separately. If I leave the office at 5:15,
I can easily be in the East Bay by 6 (and ten minutes of that
is walking from my office to B! ART). As for anxiety about being
on the other side of the bridge from my child, I have two
trusted friends who are in the East Bay who could back me up in
case of an emergency. Being new to the area, you may need to
work on this, but there are so many great people in Berkeley,
you'll find them.
Fran
Maybe you've already ruled it out, but if you commute on BART
you'll never, ever get stuck on the bay bridge.
David
I generally leave work(near moscone center) just 10 min before
4, take the bus, and usually get to the Sac St/Cedar St
neighborhood by 5 (often i get there much earlier. If you were
in my neighborhood in SF and left a 4:30 by bus - it might take
a little bit longer to get back, cuz more folks are one hte road.
It depends where you work in SF and if you'll commute by car or
pub transit.
I go in by N Berkeley BART casual carpool (love it) and come
back by AC Transit or BART.
If you commute by car on your way home, you would have to leave
more time for getting fromyour parking lot and on to the bridge.
Have a cell phone on you, and if you leave work at a time when
you will cut the pick up time close, you should call as you
leave, and let them know you might be late, so they won't hear
last minute. Most care givers appreciate the advanced notice.
Other hints.....
Make sure you absolutely leave work on time to get your
coworkers used to the idea. Don't cut it close everyday or
you'll add too much stress to your daily routine. Work at home
at least one day a week if possible. Make sure your child's
care giver is able to reach you if your child is ill, as it may
take you an hour mid-day to get there to pick your sick child
up. Have your partner drop your child off in the a.m. so you can
get in early enough to leave on time at the end of the day.
Designate East Bay working friends and family on your regular
and emergency pick up card. Get cell phone numbers of families
you! get close to at your child's school, who pick their kid up
around the same time, and help each other to pick up the other's
kid on the few times you are running late. In summary - it
actually works out fine, and lots of families do it.
March 2004
In June, I may have to start commuting with my 3 yr old
daughter to San Francisco and would like to hear from any
parents who have found themselves in a similar position. What
strategies have worked best to ease the discomfort of long and
daily car trip? (Occasional ferry trips from Alameda may be an
option, but would require two bus transfers on the other side
to reach the Presidio)
Deirdre
I commute 30-35 minutes morning and evening by car with my 3.5 year old
(and have been her whole life!). She eats breakfast in the car (toast,
go-gurts,
milk, juice, fruit) and listens to story tapes (e.g., ''Peter Rabbit,''
''Curious
George''). Sometimes she just likes to be quiet, or we talk about
things we see
(''There's our favorite delivery truck!'' ''Oh there's a dog on your
side--how
lucky!''). I have a potty that uses zip lock bags for roadside
emergencies, and
she usually brings one toy to cuddle. I've tried crayons but they tend
to drop
on the floor and cause fits! I always pack extra food, which she eats
on the way
home. Sometimes she says, ''Mom, this is taking a long time.'' And I
just say,
''Yep, it is!'' All in all it's not too bad, and it actually provides some quality time
for us.
Commuter Mom
I did the opposite commute - from SF to the East Bay for
three and a half years with my son, from when he was one
to four and a half. Fortunately for me, that was against
traffic. Still, we spent a lot of time in the car. (Thank
goodness, we just moved to Berkeley!) Anyway, story tapes
were a godsend. I'm talking mostly about storytellers on
tape, telling traditional folk and fairy tales. Like stories about
Anansi the Spider, or Coyote, or other such. I got the tapes
mostly from the library and taped them. They're great
stories, so even I enjoyed listening to them again and again.
Also, because we already left our house so early - at 7 a.m.,
and had a long drive, we always ate breakfast in the car. I
tried to remember to have snacks in the car for my son on
the way home.&nbs! p; Good luck to you!
Nanu
Jan 2004
I am soon to change jobs and one of the downsides is I will no
longer be able to easily commute by bus. I live in Crocker
Highlands and will be commuting to Civic Center are in SF at the
height of commute times (need to get there at 8:30-9, leave at
5). BART is over a 2-mile walk so the realistic options seem
limited to driving and picking up carpoolers or driving to West
Oakland BART, parking there, and Barting to/from office. The
latter sounds more appealing but I am wondering how late I can
get to West Oakland BART and still find a spot to park in one of
the adjacent paid lots - anyone have any idea if I can get there
at 8:15 and still park anywhere near the station? Anyone have
any other ideas (shifting my work hours is not an option)?
Thanks very much for your recommendations and advice.
My experiece with West Oakland Bart is that you can always find
a spot in the paid parking lot ($5.00/day last year). If you
get there early enough you may find a spot in the Bart parking
lot. However ''early'' means really early (before 7 am) since
spots are limited for the non-reserved parking area and they
fill up very fast!
Often times, there are some street parking spots available but
you have to be careful with the street signs for time limits and
sweeping schedules. This is not the best of neighborhoods so be
careful if you think you'll be getting out of work late. The
streets are also not well lit if it gets dark, this is
especially true for the latter part of fall and throughout
winter. You also get the impression that if you screamed for
help doors and windows would get shut. My husband does not like
it when I run late and requests that I call him to come drive me
the 3-4 blocks to my car if it's already dark.
As for driving into the city: the parking lot at Civic Center
can get expensive for the day. There are monthly plans
available, but there is usually a LONG wait list for those spots.
Another option, if you don't want to deal with the hassel of
finding parking at either location, is to share a casual
carpool ride or set up a regular carpool with people having a
similar commute. Here are a few websites that might help:
http://rideshare.511.org/carpool/vanpool_seats.asp
http://www.erideshare.com/carpool.php?city=San+Francisco
http://www.sfride.com/locations.html
http://www.ridenow.org/carpool/
Good Luck!
EBay commuter
I work close to Civic Center and also live in Crocker Highlands.
I normally drive to Rockridge BART station, arrive by 7am to get
a parking spot (unless you want to pay for your spot in which
case you don't have to get there by 7am) and take the train into
the City. My neighbor previously used casual carpool but since
most commuters work downtown/financial district, would have to
then take MUNI/BART to Civic Center and with the commute home
would take a bus from BART back home (too much for me with 2
kids!) Hope this is a good alternative for you or that you find
one that works for you!
Eileen
My partner commutes to SF every day via BART, and frequently
drives to West Oakland and parks there. She generally gets there
between 8 and 9 am and never parks in the lots, but has always
been able to find street parking within several blocks of the
station. The side of the street where the station is located is
almost always parked up, but if you cross 7th and go into the
surrounding neighborhoods, there is usually parking there. She's
never had a problem parking in the year plus that she's been
doing it. Hope that helps!
Another idea is casual carpool, at least for the way there.
Alayna
The casual carpool system at Norht Berkeley BART has
rides at the front of the car line for Civic Center. Sometimes
drivers even have a sign saying that, as opposed to the rest
of the cars that go to Fremont and Howard. Park your car in
the neighborhood, walk a few blocks to BART, and have a
nice (and free) ride. It's a great system.
Casual carpool supporter
Jan 2004
My husband works in SF and has been taking the express bus on
Park Blvd. to work for almost the past year. Lately it has been
very unreliable, sometimes causing him to be late to work by at
least a half hour. He needs to find a more reliable way to get
to and from SF and was wondering how others are commuting from
the Crocker Highlands area. We only have one car so driving
isn't an option. We live near the Trestle Glen, Grovesnor
intersection. Thanks!
Wife of an Unhappy Crocker Commuter
we live in glenview, and for three years my husband has been riding
into the city via the nifty carpool pick-up system at park and hampel. as a passenger, he simply stands in line, hops into one of the waiting cars
along with one other passenger and the driver, and off they go. the
system is reciprocal for both the driver, who can drive in the high-
occupancy vehicle lane, and for the riders who get a free ride into the
city. the drop-off point is harrison and first, but sometimes a familiar
driver will offer to drop him off closer to his destination. over the years, my husband has enjoyed meeting new people, test-riding a wide
spectrum of cars, and saving money. he's also never been late to work
once in the three years he's done this.
wife of carpool rider
Right across the street from the Park Avenue/Lakeshore bus stop
is the ''informal'' carpool pickup. There are always cars waiting
for riders, which eliminates the wait for a bus. Riders get
dropped off at the SF bus terminal. I have occasionally picked
up riders at this spot when I go into the City, and was a
regular rider years ago when we lived in Berkeley without a
car. It is a great system. Another option would be for your
husband to take a bus to one of the BART stations. I live in
your neighborhood, and there are several bus routes to
MacArthur, 12th/14th Street or Lake Merritt BART stations.
Charlotte
March 2003
Am looking for suggestions for commuting from Redwood Heights
neighborhood to financial district in SF. Can leave home at
approx. 7:30 am earliest. Am told that parking at Rockridge
BART station is full by that hour. Fruitvale BART station is
not a viable option due to safety issues, primarily in the
evenings. Any other ideas?
Thanks in advance.
I've commuted for years to the financial district by using the
casual carpool at Fruitvale and Montana (next to Longs) in the
morning and taking the express NF bus home. You can drive to
the free parking lots right under the freeway (580) at the
Fruitvale exit (from Redwood Heights take Coolidge St. exit and
continue on exit which goes straight to it). This is the least
expensive way to commute, I think. The casual carpool is free
and a ten ride bus pass is $26.00 for 10 rides. The NF bus goes
directly from Transbay Terminal at First & Mission (one block
from Market) to its first stop at the parking lots at the
Fruitvale exit. It takes about 20 minutes max, unless there are
accidents which doesn't happen all that often.
Carol
Try the casual carpool! I live in Redwood Heights, too, and I
usually pick it up near the Fruitvale Longs, where there's a
park-and-ride lot (there's also a pick-up spot on High St. at
MacArthur and two on Park Blvd., one near Hampel and one near
Hollywood; you can get a list of others at
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?ContentID=1362&Pa
ge=2). The carpool will take you right to the Trans-Bay Terminal
near 1st and Mission, though most drivers will take you farther
than that if you're going in their direction. You then take the
bus home from the terminal -- there are several that can drop you
near where you parked, and they run every 20 minutes or so until
about 7 p.m. You can pick up a schedule at the terminal. Good
luck! (P.S. Any other Redwood Heights commuters interested in
trying to establish a pick-up spot of our own?)
Leah
If you can walk down the hill to High & MacArthur, you can take
the ''N'' line into SF in less than half an hour. The link below
shows a 7:38AM NF bus arriving at the Transbay Terminal at 8:03;
a 7:45AM NH bus arriving at 8:07; a 7:46 NG bus arriving at 8:15;
and a 7:53 NF bus arriving at 8:18AM.
http://www.transitinfo.org/Sched/AC/N/WD/WB.html
It'S $3 a trip, but you can buy a 10-ride booklet for $26 or a
monthly pass for $85. Some folks do casual carpool into the city
and take the bus back (personally, I'd have someone pick me up to
drive me back up the hill!). You can also use the TransitInfo
website to find buses closer to your exact location. Transbay
buses *rock*--it's the easiest, fastest, cheapest way into the
City for me.
Good luck!
Jennie Van Heuit eggplant@there.net
AC Transit runs a number of Transbay buses from the MacArthur
Blvd. area into the city.
Go to www.transitinfo.org, click on ''Plan my trip,'' and you can
enter your origin and destination to get the best transit
options. You can email me if you have any questions.
Michael
I too commute from Redwood Heights to SF and can't leave the
house until 7:30a.m. I usually park in the neighborhood around
Rockridge Bart. If you look, there are several streets within a
3-7 minute walk that do not have restrictions on parking (other
than street sweeping). Try one of the streets just off College
Ave, which is well lit at night. Another option is to take the
bus to the Fruitvale Bart station. There is a bus that goes
down 35th that runs every 10 minutes or so in the morning. (I
have to admit though, that when I used this option, I always
made my husband pick me up at Rockrigde Bart in the evening as I
did not like going to Fruitvale Bart at night.) OR, try driving
to Park Blvd and take the casual carpool from the Park/Trestle
Glen area, then take an AC Transit bus back in the evenings.
Several of my neighbors rave about this option, although I've
never tried it....
anon
I don't have a specific recommendation, but I do have a good
resource -- the Metropolitan Transportation Commission's transit
planning website. Go to www.transitinfo.org and then push the
button that says ''plan your trip.'' It works like mapquest or
yahoo maps -- you plug in your starting point and your ending
point, the maximum you're willing to walk, and the time you need
to arrive and it gives you various transit options. I use it a
lot, and while the first option isn't always the best, if you
cycle through the different choices by hitting ''next best
alternative'' I often find that taking transit is easier and
faster than I would have expected. It gives you exact schedule
times, fares, etc. -- very user friendly.
Dashka
For commuting to SF from Oakland hills nothing beats the
casual carpool / AC Transit combo. Everybody wins! You get
a free ride to the city, and the driver gets to take advantage of
the carpool lane on the bridge.
In the morning you hook up with a driver who drops you off at
Howard and Fremont. On the way back you catch a cushy
super size bus at Transbay Terminal (perfect chance to read
a little or take a nap). Bus tickets are $3 each or $26 for 10
rides.
The link below details all of the official stops. Most are on
AC transit lines. The Lakeshore/Grand spot offers all day
metered parking and street parking is available in some
areas.
Casual Carpool Stops
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?ContentID=1362&Page=2
AC Transit Trip Planner
http://www.transitinfo.org/cgi-bin/taketransit
I recommend the casual carpool pickup by the Longs Drugs in the
Dimond District. You park for free in one of two lots located
under 580. There is almost always a line of cars waiting for
riders and it takes 15 - 30 minutes depending on traffic. The
closer to 7:30 you get down there the faster the trip in to SF.
Traffic gets heavier around 8:00. You can easily take the AC
Transit NF from the Transbay Terminal back to the carpool pickup
at the end of the day. Have been doing this for 5 years and
it's very easy.
lmor
In response to the question about commuting to SF Financial
District from Redwood Heights: I recommend driving to Park Blvd
and Hollywood (block from the CC Catholic Church) and picking up
the casual carpool into S.F. The carpool will drop you at the
bus terminal a block from Market Street on Fremont. To get
home, take the ''V'' AC Transit bus that goes directly from the
bus terminal to Park Blvd and up Park to Montclair. There is a
stop where you will have caught the bus. I've been doing it for
years and it works beautifully if you are traveling during
general commute hours.
Lori
My husband and I use the casual carpool in Piedmont. You drive
to Oakland Ave., 2 blocks south of Highland, to the carpool
sign. You park along Oakland Ave. and stand in line. Cars line
up and 2 people jump in each car. You will be dropped off at the
corner of Howard/Fremont streets unless the driver is heading
straight across Market and your office is that way. You pay
nothing to the driver. You then take the A/C transit bus ''P''
from the main bus terminal on Mission St. back to Piedmont at a
cost of $2.20 (you can buy a book of tickets). It stops every few
blocks on Oakland Ave. Last bus leaves SF at 7:30pm. This is a
great way to commute and it is half the price of BART.
Kris
You can take the AC Transit ''V'' bus from many stops on Park
Boulevard in Oakland. Parking is free all day - sometimes tough
to find since MANY people do this. I think monthly bus passes
run around $60-70. The bus goes straight to 1st and Mission -
about 25-30 minutes each way. THE BEST. (Or, there are Casual
Carpool pick up locations on Park Blvd as well.) Best of luck.
East Bay Mom
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