7th grader hit puberty and is so sad!

My 7th grader just hit puberty and all of a sudden is so sad! She was never like this before, and I don't remember being like this (although apparently my sister was). She cries and cries, alone in her room. We have always been very close, and now she just wants to be alone in her room. Normal things that I used to do (like open her shades in the morning, or open her window) she gets very upset about. I am finding that I cannot keep up! She went from being a little girl to a teenager literally over night (I have read about this, but could not imagine it ever happening to my daughter). She has always been exceedingly sweet and honest and caring, and over night she is moody, crying, sad, and very frustrated. Is this simply puberty? Will it mellow out? I am surprised at how lost I feel. Advice from those who have walked this path would be wonderful! Mom of teen

One idea: See if you can get her laughing. I'm convinced that a lot of teenage awfulness resides in their emotional turmoil and the resulting physical stress and snappiness. When my daughter was being obnoxious, I'd suggest an after-dinner Monty Python or M*A*S*H episode, and that almost always lightened things (and gave her an excuse to mellow out while still saving face). Also, look at Mike Riera's books on parenting teenagers--very good, practical advice.

Lastly, if your daughter is on the intense and obsessive side, this is a useful technique when she gets into an emotional tailspin and won't be consoled. I came across it a few years ago, and realized I had done the same thing with my girl (only less structured and minus the new-agey trappings): http://www.oprah.com/health/The-Gift-of-Listening

Best wishes to you and your daughter. Some day she'll be pleasant company again, and probably love and admire you all the more for putting up with her so gracefully. Melanie

12 year old is not jazzed by anything - suggestions?

I am concerned about my 12 year old son. He is not involved in any sport, music or any other extra curricular activity. His dad is not a ''doer'' and we are separated, therefore I have no control over what he does half of the week. His dad will not listen to my concerns that this situation is leading to isolation, depression and a lack of self confidence--and maybe ''idle hands'' down the road.

Our son has some good friends from elementary school but has not really made any new good friends since middle school started this year. He is being treated for depression and inattentive ADHD, so when he comes home from school, he just likes to chill with his pets and his video games and the occasional bike ride or hang out with a friend, that is, he doesn't like to do anything structured. And, of course, there is homework.

He has tried Little League, music lessons, tennis lessons, martial arts and a few other things but not for a long time. His school has lots of after school activities, but I have not been successful in getting him to participate for the reasons listed above. I don't know what to try and interest him in that I can have him do just half the week, and am looking for suggestions for activities and any ideas for dealing with this situation. Anon

Typical 13-year-old behavior: need a reality check

A few months ago, my husband and I became foster parents to a boy we knew who had to be removed from his home due to significant abuse and neglect. I'm educating myself about the issues that come with this territory, so I'm not asking for support about that part here (I have in the past--thanks all!).

What I'd really appreciate is a reality check from parents of 13-year-olds (boy or girl) about typical behavior. My grown daughter was really mellow at this age, so I've been unprepared for just how hard it is to live with a teenager this time around. I think lots of his behavior is related to his past, but plenty of it also just comes with the age.

Have you got a moody, unpredictable, sullen teenager? I'd love to hear about it. Please help normalize this confusing experience for me! How have you risen above the rapidly fluctuating moods without feeling crazy? Is your teen childish one minute and then talking about asking a girl out the next? Was 13 particularly bad and then they settled down? Throw me a lifeline, someone! I need some encouragement that this is normal, and this too shall pass. which way is the wind blowing now?

Deep breathe - one day at a time! encouraging

I had a moody girl and I'm afraid to say that it lasted for quite a few years. She is a really sensitive person and feels things very acutely. I think lots of people are like this. It makes for a deep thinker, a creative person, and often a depressed person. My daughter was in therapy and did end up going on anti-depressants after hitting rock bottom, which was very hard for all of us. She was on them for several years and has finally weaned herself off at 19. Sounds like you are doing all the right things for this kid. Good for you! But yea, it sounds like his normal moodiness might be compounded with his past. Be aware of him falling deeper into himself. You might mention to him that if he feels really bad, and doesn't want to talk to you, he should call someone to talk and make sure he knows who that someone is. Does he have any creative outlets: writing, drawing, painting? It helps.

Keep talking to him and loving him! Good luck! anon

In your case, the bond may need extra effort, to compensate for its newness. If it were me, I would offer activities as treats: ask him what he'd like to do-- on Saturday, or for his birthday: Shoot hoops? A movie together? An outing with friends, made possible by you? A modest dinner out? A daytrip to SF? A music festival? Camping or hiking? Visit a rock climbing gym? A football game? You want him to have some memories of good times and guardian support and appreciation. This can be as simple as asking him what he wants you to buy at the grocery store for lunches or dinner. Or expressing interest in his interests. Or cooking him breakfast.

We found it helpful to frame some complaints with teens as ''good roommate/bad roommate'': A good roommate picks up after himself, does his share of cleaning/taking out garbage, listens politely, controls his anger, doesn't swear at adults, doesn't borrow stuff without asking, lets people know if he won't be home for dinner. With our kids, this sent the message that we were thinking of them as adults in the making; with a newly adopted kid, it might be scary (''I'm not permanent''). You sound very conscious of his issues and baggage.

General teen survival recommendations: Encourage exercise (sports, and make him walk or bike to school). When you do drive him, encourage talking (''no texting in the car''). Provide as much fresh fruit, veggies (with dip if necessary), and protein as you can (milk, eggs, meat, beans-- can be in the form of sloppy joes or hot dogs and beans); in the afternoon, boy teens will often eat whatever you put in front of them. Make the junk as healthy as you can: ice cream, or a glass of milk and homemade oatmeal cookies with raisins, nuts, wheat germ. Calcium is supposed to be good for impulse control; fish oil (tuna, salmon) and vitamin B is supposed to be good for depression. But sadly, the only way past an ordinary miserable teenhood is time.

One warning: IMHO, parents of kids over age 12 should have an adult at home afternoons and evenings, if at all possible. Good luck!

13-year-old daughter pitting mom against dad

My 13 year old daughter is a middle child, does well in school, has friends, an artistic temperament, and is a sensitive and moody young teenager. She and I have similar personalities and clash more often than she does with her father. She also argues quite a bit with her sisters. My issue is this: over the past year she has started to go to my husband whenever I set a limit and get into an argument with her. He listens to her ''side'' of the story and then the three of us have to discuss it. She knows it drives me crazy when she doesn't get her way and says ''I'm going to tell Dad'' and goes to find him or even texts him about what's going on. My view is that he needs to tell her to turn around and solve the issue with me. He thinks he can add value to the discussion and that this is a good family communication style. Sometimes he has useful feedback and sometimes we disagree about how to handle the situation. I think this is a dysfunctional style of parenting, pitting the parents against each other while she's in the middle. I also feel undermined. Does anyone have ideas about how to resolve this? thanks for your help

Family rule: If you are residing (or with, at any time) one parent and you have a problem with that parent, you work it out with that parent, no exceptions. A violation (by the child) brings consequences (more chores, loss of privileges, whatever).

You obviously need a buy-in from dad on this. The way you laid it out (and I can't tell if you and dad live together or are in different households, but no matter), dad is NOT helping, and whether or not his intentions are good (probably are), he is feeding a manipulation. Without dad's buy-in, you're kind of stuck, and the situation will not improve. ''My view is that he needs to tell her to turn around and solve the issue with me'' is exactly right. If he is firm on this 2-3 times, your daughter's behavior (on this point) will stop. But 1) you need to both explain the new rule to daughter and 2) if she violates, there need to be consequences, imposed by you and supported unequivocally by him (or I suppose, consequences can be imposed by him if you are in the same household, but dad may not be as motivated to do this). Once your daughter buys in, there may be ways to incorporate dad's feedback into difficult situations, but not while she's playing the two of you like an accordian.

Been there, in spades, but it is history now. Hope this helps.

A good book we were assigned at the RTF is ''Common Sense Parenting.'' I forget the author. Great guidebook. rg

I'm the ''tough'' parent too, and I know it is hard. It also helps to have blanket policies. Like one for my daughter around that age was only one sleepover/weekend (cause otherwise she was a basket case). That was exactly the kind of thing she could talk dad into, until he and I agreed on a ''policy,'' rather than deciding about each request good luck!

13-year-old daughter's resistance and hostility

My 8th grade daughter is with me every other week. Her father and I have been divorced and living in separate households for 2 1/2 years. Her visits, while I want to relish them as I so regret only being with her every other week, have been nightmarish and I find a feeling of dread bordering on depression creep up on me as her visit nears. She has ADHD, is often oppositional, which I don't often handle well, doesn't usually get invitations to hang out with friends on the weekend which means she's with me around the clock, and homework struggles make weeknights hell. Her father refuses to co-parent, is extremely lax about what she does after school, TV and Facebook time, homework and school work (plus he's a teacher), and he refuses to acknowledge how her ADHD is impacting her ability to focus in school and has undermined her willingness to give medication a try.

All this and the normal separation process that happens at this age is just about breaking my heart. I had a very close relationship with my mother, was an eager-to-please child for the most part, did well in school-no one had to ask me to do my homework, and I had good friends and a social life. I think these difference make parenting her all the harder.

I have been in touch with all her teachers to support her getting her homework done, but honestly, with her resistance and hostility, just asking about her homework sets the stage for an unpleasant evening. She either outright lies, doesn't know or doesn't care about the assignments, or a combination of all three.

I can go on, but I think those of you who have had or are having similar experiences get the picture.

I would like to know how other families have handled these issues and would like referrals to supportive services. Also, what to do when your child is resistant to getting help and equates your trying to help them with your saying they are stupid (I have repeatedly told her she is very smart which is true, but she needs help focusing).

I live in Berkeley, so referrals to therapists, etc. who live in this part of town would be great. Thanks.

In the meantime, set a structure in your home for the important things, curfew, phone usage, homework, chores, and under no circumstance allow her to disrespect you. If you are uncertain about a decision say '' I can't give you an answer until I think about it'. Don't allow her to push or manipulate you. Even if you are feeling unsure, address her with confidence and be consistent. There's nothing worse for her than you being a soft touch or letting her wear you down. Find a good behaviorist in your area and work with them. The biggest thing about her behavior is how you react. Once you change your behavior she won't like it, but she will respond. You can't do anything about the Dad but you can learn to set limits for yourself. The best you can do for your child is to learn how to parent her. ADHD kids are tough and you will need to learn what she needs. Anger and reactive behavior doesn't work in any scenerio. It causes explosiveness. Practice calm, assertive and most of all consistent. It means sometimes saying the same thing over and over and often with a smile until they know you are not going to budge. It's not going to be easy but it will get you further in the long run. Good Luck. Jan

I don't know what kind of school your child is currently attending, but I would NOT send her to Berkeley High School, if you can avoid it. There are huge temptations for a girl like her there that are unhealthy and dangerous. If you have no choice, there are some helpful adults I could put you in contact with and you might consider putting her in a small school like AHA.

There is hope. After my daughter received therapy, some short term medication (which is necessary, I believe, for many kids either for the long term or short term), and a new school environment, and some maturity that, thank God, time mercifully provides, she finished high school, and is now working full time. She plans to go to community college in the fall and has, if not her pre-adolescent mother adoration, a sensible and more pleasant attitude. I no longer dread parenting her, which I did for a few years. Also, and do not trivialize this,TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF! Find time to be a happy person with interests and activities outside of parenthood. I was consumed with worry and allowed my problems to become my identity for too long. This only makes things worse. If you are happy and can deal with her calmly, she will do better. Good luck, and remember, this, like everything, is temporary. Feel free to contact me.

Pre-teen attitude: talking back and contradicting

Hi there, Our used-to-be-oh-so-sweet daughter has turned into a sassy pre-teen with attitude (talking back, contradicting on everything, eye-rolling, etc.) who does a lot of texting. She's still our pride and joy and we love her more than anything, but we're now doubting the wisdom of having a child.

How are you handling the talking back and the constant contradicting, while allowing the kid personal growth and in the meantime maintaining your own sanity?

We'll take the eye rolling and the shoulder shrugging without complaints. We very much appreciate any advices you have. Anonymous

1) If my daughter corrects me, and I really am right, I calmly point out the flaw in her logic and move on. When she is right (actually quite often) and I thank her for pointing that out.

2) Staying calm. :)

The attitude change is very interesting to observe for me. I try to think like an anthropologist observing a teenager ''in the wild''. :)

Whenever I get some attitude about her having to do something she doesn't want to (like taking her lunch to school instead of buying it), I just say ''It's good for you. It builds character'' and leave it at that. By now she knows whining isn't going to work, so she does some more eye-rolling and then drops it. :)

Those are my coping mechanisms.

Husband losing it with 12 and 13 year olds

I need help and advice and I don't have anywhere to turn. I've been with my husband since I was 15 - almost 26 years now. Our relationship was rocky at the start but has been pretty darn steady since our early 20's. The only thing we've really had trouble with since having kids is parenting style differences. That's pretty much all we fight about. I work with kids and while I'm not lenient, I'm also not harsh. He wants to see results more quickly.

Now that we have 12 and 13 year old boys (soon to turn 13 and 14), things are getting really tough. My older son and my husband argue constantly. When I feel like things are getting too intense I butt in to try and bring down the emotion level some. I know that's not going to work, but it elevates to the point of being scary to me. My husband gets really upset when the 13 year old makes mistakes, and is constantly controlling his emotions. But he doesn't understand that our son can see through that. He'll say things to him like he's destroying our family and then be upset that our son doesn't agree. How could he possibly? What adult let alone child feels they can take on that level of blame? That's just an example.

So now my husband is feeling he might move out. He has been my lifeline since I was a teen and I can't imagine life without him, but I also can't imagine life like this either. It's not emotionally healthy for any of us. I'm so afraid of being a single parent. I have a big job and work so much. I'm not good with handling finances. I guess one thing I'm wondering is if there are other couples who have separated for a time for this kind of reason and things worked out in the end? We have been in family therapy and I imagine we will continue. I think it's actually brought up more emotion for my husband who is a very passionate person. I'm all ears - hoping someone is out there listening and can help! anxious

You might also want to really comb through the UC Berkeley Parents Network website for resources and family, couples or individual psychotherapy seems like a pretty good idea given what you've described. All the best.... Michael Y. Simon, MFT

His office is on Piedmont Ave in Oakland and his phone number is 510- 654-2311. He was good for my son but even better for my husband. Men need results. They need to be in charge, to fix things. Talk is not enough. peace maker mom

13-year-old daughter does not want to talk to me

I have a 13 year old daughter who, only recently, does not want to talk to me about her life. She will tell me what she needs (clothing washed, food, binder paper...) but does not want to talk about anything that might be happening at school, with her or her peers. I know for a fact (based on discussions with other parents) that some kids in her circle of friends at school are smoking pot (or have been offered pot), are having sex (or playing around sexually), and skip classes. I do not believe my daughter is doing any of these things, but at the same time, she refuses to participate in any discussion with us around these topics. She finds us ''overprotective'' and if we try to talk to her about any of these issues, she accuses us of ''not believing'' her (although we have never accused her of anything).

How do you talk to your teen without them shutting down? We do not have discipline issues at home, and she is an excellent student. BUT, she will not talk about any of the life issues that we need to discuss. I am concerned that she is going to start thinking that the behavior of some of her friends is ''the norm,'' and will use their experiences as her compass for what is acceptable behavior for a 13 year old.

HELP. Any talking points/resources/books are greatly appreciated. Need a mother's helper

11 yr old daughter seems to live to cause me grief

Our 11-year-old daughter seems to live to cause me grief. I realize this is normal behavior, but I need help with communication skills and coping skills lest I be completely stressed everyday of my life until she goes off to college, and do more harm than good in terms of my relationship with her, and also my husband, as this is affecting all relationships right now. Our daughter does everything she can to push all my buttons, and push them hard, virtually everyday. She says hateful, mean, and hurtful things to me (and very occasionally to her dad, with whom she has always had a wonderful relationship), is just generally nasty and rude, obnoxious, bossy, and has major attitude.

I have read a variety of books already, some more helpful than others:

''Reviving Ophelia'' - interesting, but didn't help my particular situation much

''Get Out of My Life, But First Can You Take Me and Cheryl to the Mall?'' - am I the only one who does NOT find this book funny? The little dialogues in it were painfully true. I felt like the author had been spying in our house the examples were so real! At the same time, I didn't find it helpful in that it basically was saying to me that the behavior is normal, and sometime, years down the road, it will get better. I need help now!

''How to Talk So Teens Will Listen and Listen So Teens Will Talk'' - this book was the most helpful to me and pointed out very clearly that I have work to do in terms of my own communication skills.

At the same time, I feel like I need more than reading books. I could really use either a parenting group or, better yet, some sort of therapy with someone who specializes in family communication issues.

In recognition that all kids are different (parenting strategies that work with others' kids never worked with ours, e.g., our daughter has always been very strong-willed and things like time-outs never worked with her), I would welcome hearing what strategies have worked for you, and also whether anyone has any recommendations for parenting groups and/or therapists in the Lamorinda/Walnut Creek area. Speaking of therapists, anyone know of anyone who is covered by our United Behavioral Health benefits? I've never explored UBH.

Thanks! stressed mom of 'tween

12-year-old son being labeled as a bad kid

Any advice on how to repair a child's reputation? My son, 12, was involved in a dirt-throwing incident 6 months ago. He was among a group of 7 boys who threw dirt at a wall. He was the only one who admitted guilt and we supported him. (Others lied or cried and escaped punishment). Problem is, he has now been labeled a bad kid. To make matters worse, a parent of one of the kids involved, phoned other parents whose kids were not involved to say her son was just following my son's lead. (She drunkenly apologized to me at a Christmas party that she'd hoped to garner sympathy and more play dates for her son by phoning other parents). A second parent whose son competes with mine for academic team spots, is spreading the rumor of my son's questionable personality in having him remain on teams. Stunned, we met with my son's teachers, coaches and principal and were assured he's a great kid who made a dumb choice. Their advice is to ignore it. However, play dates have dried up. I wouldn't care, except he's walking on eggshells, doubting himself and is really sad. The unfounded reputation could also keep him from the private high school he wants to attend. He is losing confidence. Any advice? Sam

12-year-old son has morphed into a sullen, intolerant know-it-all

In the last year, our gentle, compassionate and respectful 12 y.o. son has morphed into a sullen, intolerant ''know-it all'' who rolls his eyes at everything we say. I know this is arch-typical teenage behavior, but my husband and I are not rolling easily with the punches. Since I spent many years of schooling to prepare myself for the position I hold, it seems reasonable to get some education for the even more important job of parenting! Winging it seemed easy and natural until now. :) Any good suggestions of books on how to successfully parent a teen supportively without losing our cool? Thank you!

Now that my boys are 20 and 17, and I've seen so many other families go through the teen phase, plus experienced it myself, I do not think this kind of behavior from teens is to be expected or to be tolerated in your family. I think it is a warning of problems you are not aware of.

I think it is worrisome and something that needs immediate attention. Young teens are still children, and your child needs you as much now as when he was six. TALK to him about this behavior..find out where this anger is coming from, and do not put up with disrespectful behavior. How will it feel when he is 6 inches taller than you and wants to drive, and acting this way? You need a peaceful, respectful home at all times during a child's life.

Any dramatic change is something to pay attention to. What's going on in school? with friends? with substances? Do you go into his room, sit on his bed and talk? Give him hugs? Ask what he'd like for dinner and invite him to cook with you? Open up the lines of communication, and set the limits. Tell him that in your family, rude talking, eye rolling, etc is not acceptable behavior for any of you. Tell him you love him, and that it hurts you to see this happening and that it is going to change. Find out what is going on, and help him make changes, immediately. Don't wait. Happy boys, happy home

13-year-old girl is falling apart

I need advice about helping my daughter, who's having medical, psychological & school problems. She's 13 & in 7th grade. She used to have lots of friends, love sports, & do well in school. With the onset of her period 9 months ago, she's fallen apart. Medical & psych problems: First she dropped out of sports & withdrew from friends. Then she developed severe headaches & missed 90% of school days. I'm an RN & taking the lead in coordinating her care; my husband is very engaged. We've had her evaluated by a behavioral pediatrician (for neuropsychological testing), a Stanford pediatric neurologist & a psychologist. Major medical problems have been ruled out. Diagnoses are: 1)chronic daily headaches; 2)anxiety disorder, social anxiety & panic attacks; & 3)executive function deficits. Chronic daily headaches are among the most debilitating & hard to treat. Hers most likely are due to severe stress at school. (They disappeared during our recent vacation.) Next steps I see are a child psychiatrist to evaluate for anxiety & depression; possible endocrinology consult; & a new therapist (she refused to open up to the current one). She's on 2 anti- headache meds, which she surreptiously quit taking during the vacation & now refuses to take. She probably needs meds for anxiety &/or depression. Am I overlooking anything?

School: She's gifted academically, but her grades dropped from A's to F's due to refusal to do homework (''it's stupid''). Her school counselor arranged for a home teacher 5 hrs/week, but my child refuses to do the work even when she feels OK. The school district wants to put her on home schooling &/or hold her back to repeat the 7th grade (which will devastate her). I feel confident dealing with the medical system, but I'm lost about school bureaucracy & our rights. What do I need to do?

She's creative & artistic, spending hours deeply absorbed in writing,reading & drawing. She wants me to find another school, but we can't afford a private school. She'd thrive in a school for the arts or in independent study. How can I help her find an environment like this?

I'm overwhelmed & super-stressed about this. I'd appreciate any help you can give me. Mama tiger/ Earth mama

2.) Have you looked into the sexual pressures at her school? Becoming a menstrating young woman can have all sorts of ramifications in the teen world.

Knowing you will find your answers! Louise

Firstly, I'm a pracationer of living life fully and healthily, and mom of a happier and sweeter 16-year old daughter, not a medical anything, just so you know where I'm coming from.

It sounds like school is a real problem and if I were you I would FIND the money for a different school. I don't think medicating her in order for her to fit into the round hole is the way to go. That said if she is SO depressed and verging on being suicidal you do what you have to do to save your girls life (which is what happened to us-she's taking anti-depressants). Is there anyone such as a counselor at school or a group that your daughter could connect with? My daughter joined the gay-straight alliance at Willard and it helped her to feel a part of things and that school wasn't all bad.

If she's interested in anything physical (sports, dance, acrobatics, yoga, etc.) sign her up! I think sports have also saved my daughter.

We went to a great Art Therapist. It was the first time I had done anything like that, and us both being artists, it really resonated and helped us to get at things that we couldn't put into words. Her name is Ava Charney-Danysh, in El Cerritto, 527-6112.

I don't think there has been very many studies done on this but I am convinced that the onset of hormones and periods changes a girls brain! We know very well about PMS in adults, but don't really attribute PMS to the difficulties that our daughters go through starting at around 12-13 (or earlier). We tried a lot of different modes of healing (homoepathic, accupunture, talk therapy, chiropractics) and finally found a WONDERFUL nutritionist to help with my daughter's irregularities in her period. This woman really knows her stuff and recommended a few good supplements for hormones and overall health. In fact, I started taking them for my PMS and it has really helped. You might call her and ask her if she thinks she can help your daughter. She also talks about healthier foods to eat. She makes it really clear to my daughter what the different supplements and foods are good for. Her name is Anasuya Batliner, in Berkeley, 848-8439. Her website is http://www.mybodywisdom.net. It looks more ''groovy'' than she really is. She's very straight forward and practical.

It's a really stressful time for all of you. Take care of yourself too because you need the strength to keep trying things and to be there for her. I think the teen years have been MUCH harder than those early infant years. Try and do things that you both enjoy on your days off or after work/school. Do something out of the ordinary to break the spell of a stressful day. Take a walk at night by the water, take a run together, Kabuki Hot Springs in SF has a women's only day on Sundays, eat out at your favorite cheap restaurant, have a picnic (when it gets warm), pet some animals, you know...

There, I think that's all I know how to do!

I wish you the best of luck! anon

Then she became aware of the layer below that and articulated that this was no less than a trauma. She put the blame where it belonged and got really angry. She requested more typical talk therapy to deal with the feelings that whole thing generated. She had someone for a while and will find someone in the near future. She can function pretty happily without that immediate kind of help.

She had major, serious physical symptoms - the most obvious but most superficial aspect as it turned out. Medical experts were almost no help. She's still dealing with one of the physical symptoms at a low grade, not a crisis any more. I'm convinced and so is she that that trauma and her inability to talk about it or deal with it for a couple of years was at the root of everything.

By the way, we changed schools and she got into other activities and made different kinds of friends. Her trust in people is still not 100%, but she's open and her new experiences with people have shown her that she's not a freak and the world is not made up entirely of mean people, and these realizations are comforting. I had told her this earlier but it was not possible for her to take it in from me, she has to keep knowing it more and more herself.

To this day, that girl's name is the ugliest word in the English language in our house.

I wonder if something happened with your daughter unrelated to her period? I forget whether you mentioned, is she in some kind of counseling?

Hope this helps. Good luck.
been there

I also think the match between your daughter and her therapist is critical. If she does not feel comfortable and safe with the therapist your daughter will not prosper from the treatment. Shop around if need be, but be picky about the match. It is key. You are going through so much watching your daughter suffer. I also hope you are engaging in good self care, which might include getting your own support. Good luck and know you are not alone.
Another mom

What your daughter is going through happens to a lot of girls. It sounds like her self esteem is a big factor now.

Could she transfer schools and get a fresh start or do part-time home study and part-time classes? anon

Ultimately we were helped enormously by the San Mateo Teen Anxiety Clinic. They offered (i hope they still do - it was great) a 6 week class for both parents and kids (meeting in separate groups). I believe non-Kaiser members can join for a fee.

If you still are looking for direction or just want to compare notes, I am happy to talk with you.

Best to you,
Niki

13 yr old - hormones flaring

Our just-turned-13 yr old daughter is new to the public school system. We have never talked to her about dating, sex, relationships etc. She has mentioned many times that ''she knows everything''. we accidentally came upon some of her emails - from which it seems that she is somewhat obsessed by boys/sex. She has not been on a date so far. But she has told us that all of her friends in school have had boyfriends. so looks like we have to have some long overdue conversations with her. we need some advice:

what realistic limits can we set (and expect her to obey) on dating and sex. I am looking for guidelines that have worked (or not) for you.

- is no dating till high school a realistic limit?
- is no sex of any kind till 16/17 a realistic limit?

we definitely want emphasize to her that relationships with boys is not restricted to sex. we want to be supportive as she explores new horizons but at the same time we want to educate her about her responsibilities.

- would allowing her to meet more boys - either in a group environment or one-one-one - help her appreciate non- sexual realtionships.

we were under the impression that we would not have to deal with this situation until high school. how many of you have had to deal with this in 7th grade?

please help Concerned Dad

What has actually changed between my generation and my daughter's is that we have to talk to each other, and be honest about expectations and why they are appropriate. You will find the public schools to be your ally in this, as your daughter's classmates self-destruct under the pressure of being teenagers with parents who have either given up, or think their morality is obsolete... or hold their kids only to the standards they remember from the '60s (a very different time). My daughter has had friends hospitalized for drugs and depression, for cutting and for attempted suicide. She has had teen friends get pregnant and either have or not have a baby. She has had friends throw up on her, go to jail, go to rehab, go to character-building boarding schools... and one just went crazy.

The excitement wears thin pretty fast... and despite parents who think its just the way it is... all these examples supported our expectations and request that she not drink or do drugs, or have sex, in high school. Yes, she and her friends stepped over the line from time to time -- but where would they have been if there were no line??? My heart breaks for her friends who flamed out trying to react against parents who wanted to be cool and figured nothing they said would matter. Or whose parents weren't even paying enough attention to know what was going on.

I would encourage you to start talking with your daughter about the future, and the fact that she HAS one... Make your expectations known to her on a routine basis -- by talking about other kids, or things in the news. My daughter and I used to watch Jerry Springer and the Maury Povitch Show when she was home sick... with the spoken rule that she would NEVER DO ANYTHING that would get her on a show like that. Don't talk about your own foibles -- its dull and in my case would have involved some ''don't do what I did''...even though what I did was not much by modern standards...

My mantra when my daughter was your daughter's age was ''No one told me how much of my life I'd be OVER 18....what was the hurry?'' Anonymous for the sake of my Good Girl

My advice to you is to start hanging out with her. Take her to something that you want to do. Girls will tolerate even ball parks with Dad if it's one on one. You sound great and I am sure she adores you. So talk about everything. Talk about STDs and crazy sex things like 10 year old mothers. Talk about what guys think about girls......about the paradox of nice girls and girls who are nice and about names girls can get called if they have too many boy friends, wear too much make up etc.. and about infatuation/love and talk talk talk...she will roll her eyes but take everything in.

Tell her stories about people you have known.... Moms are great but she is so lucky to have a Dad so for her. The voice of experience

Something this limit also does is give the girls an excuse if they're not ready to put the blame on their parents (my parents are So Strict, they won't let me date until I'm 16!)

Good luck. Its an important job we have to bring strong young women into adulthood. Jenny

I think the number one thing to do is keep the channels of communication open between you all. Let her know that she can talk to you about stuff, be open and without criticism. You are helping to guide her now and you want her to come to you to ask for help or advice, not to sneak around behind your back because she's too afraid to bring something up. If you have another woman family member who she is close to, maybe sugest to her that she talk to her also for another point of view. It's so sweet and sad to hear the stories they tell!

Even if she says she ''knows everything'', I'm sure she doesn't as she's only 13. You can talk about sex without assuming that she's having it or giving your okay for her to have sex. It's just a conversation about real life issues. Don't be afraid to talk to her, just start talking even if she squeels! A good book for you and her to have is ''Out Bodies, Our Selves''. It has lots of very practical information, and can be a good conversation starter. Let her keep it in her room so she can look at it without you.

There are few things for young teens to do in Berkeley, but some of them are fun like ice skating, going to Mel's Diner for a snack, the movies, swimming in the summer, etc. are things they can do as a group. Let her lead, you don't need to organize stuff for her, but you can suggest things if she seems at a loss.

For me, going through this bittersweet time with my daughter brings back a lot from my past. It's a good lesson to look back and try to remember how you felt and what you wish had or hadn't happened! It's her passage to womanhood, help her do it as joyfully and safely as possible. been there and returned!

My daughter's first date was in 7th grade, we insisted it be chaperoned by us. we all went out to dinner and then a movie. We tried not to hover or be geeks. They broke up in 2 weeks. Relationships do not last very long in middle school

Next bf lived in neighborhood so we knew him better, he was at our house a lot! We specified group dates-Notice we are getting more lenient as she has been responsible.

Keep in mind that in middle school conforming to the trend is what's comfortable maybe her school is date crazy-frankly TV etc. shows nothing but dating, teens HATE to be different in their social circle, they may be rebelling against you but they want to be doing, talking and dressing like their friends, if you try to mess with that you are making her be the outcast.

That said you want to help her make good choices so provide her with reading material about responsible sexual behaviour, relationships etc. Then have your wife discuss it with her, don't push too hard and don't freak out, stay calm and state the facts.

Inform her that prior to having sex she will need to be examined by a Gynecologist, explain what the 1st exam is like. This seems to slow girls down, they respect the doctor (just like you get a physical every year before school starts) and they really don't like the idea of the speculum! It helps them wait.

Expect and understand that you will be out of the loop on this-she probably does not want to talk to you or your wife about sex or the boys she likes.

All boys my daughter knows are terrified of her dad, my husband. He does not threaten them in any way but all his dealings w/them are very old school, father knows bestish. One boy was disrespectfull to our property after a breakup and my husband let him and his mom know in no uncertain terms that itt was unacceptable. This boy still is around (again relationships move fast! They went from ''dating'' to friends to flirting again) and he behaves toward us and my daughter much more appropriately. I thought this was awful at first-but it seems to keep those boys respectfull-so your wife is their pal, you make them sweat.

We let her know we will be her bad guy if she feels pressured, ie if she doesn't want to do something I take the blame by saying she can't. This gives her an out that saves face in teen world. good luck! feeling your pain

For quite a few years, in many teen-friendly clinics, teens have had access to birth control methods (including birth control pills) without pelvic exams of any kind. Testing for common sexually transmitted diseases (i.e. gonorrhea/chlamydia)can also done with just a urine specimen.

SO.....if one does want to use fear tactics, it might be better to be accurate.Accurate information helps build trust. There are many genuine risks that teens face when making the decision to become sexually acitve.For instance: adolescents are the fastest growing group of persons newly diagnosed with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). It's important that adolescents get to discuss the pros and cons of sexual activity with people who care about them, in an honest, respectful way. Lori

12.5 y-o daughter: How do I parent a teenager?

I could really use some advice - and some support - on managing my own feelings as I adjust to our daughter's adolescence. To begin with, she's a great, smart, literate kid, a terrific student, a loving big sister, nothing has gone at all wrong - thankfully - in the big picture. Now 12 1/2, she's probably right on schedule, which is to say that: she always runs late, she's become a total slob, she never helps around the house without a huge amount of cajoling, she wouldn't take a bath for a month without our insistence, she is often morose, grumpy, overhungry, bored, totally picky when it comes to food, and would rather just eat an ice cream sundae for dinner if given the option. And it wasn't so long ago that she was a sweet, happy, flexible kid! I find my very long fuse getting shorter by the day. I don't want to engage in huge power struggles with her. I want to respect her privacy. I don't want to pick her laundry up from the floor every time I enter her room. I guess I just want her back. And of course, time marches forward, and I need to march forward with it into her adolescence. Additionally, we moved about a year and half ago from the Bay Area, and she left her fabulous school at the end of fourth grade, and she has yet to make new buddies in our new home. We also moved away from a big city, and there's a lot less to do in our new setting, so she's home a tremendous amount with a lot of time on her hands. She is actively pissed off about being here, and I can't tell if it's because she really doesn't like it or it's age- related (probably a mix of the two). I keep trying to suggest activities, but she's too teen-age now, and most everything lacks appeal. So we rub up together a lot, and that is just a feature of where we live now. So, I'd really like some tips as to how to maintain my patience, save the power struggles for the things that really matter, and keep my loving cool as we plunge into the next few years. Thanks!! surviving ophelia

I'm the mom of three girls, two in college, one still in high school. When the oldest reached puberty, my husband and I realized that because of our own histories, neither of us had any idea at all of how to be the parents of teens. It took some time to figure out, but here are the strageties we used and are still using to get through the challenging teen years. First, let me recommend any book written by Michael Riera - his writings on the subject of raising and parenting teens was invaluable to us.

We bagan with a daughter who went off the deep end in eighth grade - counseling didn't help - it just made us all angry. We came up with a number of strageties based on Michael Riera's books - sorry I can't remember the name of the book. But he was pretty popular then, I'm sure you can find one.

Basically we set some rules, changed our own behavior and attitudes and committed to being the safety net no matter what. What follows is a list of our strategies and rules.

1. We were honest with the girls, and told them that we had no idea of what good parents of teens did. But that we would make desicions based on our own thoughts, opinions and through discussion with them. So, we required that they ask permission of us, that they know all the details of who, what, when and where before asking, and committed to giving a reasoned answer. Sometimes we had to think things over, so they learned that to push us meant an automatic ''no'', but that letting us discuss and think usually meant des''would follow, although often with limits. We learned to listen to them. We also learned that many plans fell apart last minute, so it was easy to say ''yes'' and set limits.

2. Dinner together on school nights (Sunday through Thursday) was required, and dinner was scheduled at 7. Eventually they each took a night to cook a meal. We made sure to ask everyone the news of the day, and made sure to talk things through, listen to opinions, not to judge ideas, but to ask for more information. It took a looooong time for them and us to get used to talking and listening. But we stuck with it. When each one took responsibility for a nightly meal, we all agreed that it was not ok to criticize the cook. We agreed that ''Thank you for this nice meal.'' was required, especially on those nights where the new cook (or the old one - me- screwed up.)

3. We told them, and we meant it, that we would pick them up any time, any place with no questions until everyone was calm. And we did that. We've picked up our kids, and other peopli's kids in many odd places over the years. But they know that they are safe. A corollary to the rule became that if someone threw up in the car they had to clean it before noon the next day. That only happened twice. But there was more than one occasion where one of the kids scared themselves and we were able to help out. We really did wait a few days to discuss these disasters, and then took the approach of asking what happened, what they would have done differently and listening.

4. Understand that as they get older that you become the ''consultant'' more than the guide. This is key. We listened, shared ideas and opinions, pointed out problems with logic and asked questions. We also shared our own experience - as appropriate. Most kids can figure out what their mistake was, and in fact, you may find that the quality of the childs logic and processing is a good indicator of their readiness for more (or less) freedom. These discussions ranged from the big subjects like drugs, alcohol, sex, abusive parents or boy/girl friends, the nature of trust and friendship to politics, teachers, school issues or the small but critical issues of flip flops versus sandals or sweatshirst versus hoodie or pierced versus clip on earrings.

5. Chores were required. We explained that our family is a team that cannot function without the participation of all concerned. And we cleaned house together every Sunday morning for quite awhile, eventually one daughter asked if she could be responsible for the laundry only. Sure! It was easier for her schedule, and she was better at not mixing the reds with the whites than I am. We didn't insist on them cleaning their rooms, just the public areas and our bedroom (the perk of being the parent).

6. Finally, we told them that we wouldn't ask a question that we didn't want the answer to, and that lying to us would have worse consequences than the action itself, no matter how simple or serious. We haven't always liked the answers to the questions we asked. But having committed to listen and discuss later, there have been few blow ups. And we committed to punishing the lie, not the mistaken action itself. Doesn't mean that there weren't consequences, but that the most serious consequences came for the lie.

7. Another small but critical item. When daughter number 1 fell apart I made sure to go into her room every night for just a few minutes of private time. It began as mundane ''how's it going?'' and eventually became time for discussion. Yes she resented it and thought I was wierd, but those discussions became the breakthrough when she confessed to drug and alcohol use and asked for help. Ever since then I have spent a few moments with each child on their own before going to sleep. THose 5 minutes have become critical in my relationship with the other two girls - they have become the forum for some very personal discussions as well as some downright silliness on our part.

8. Looking this over, it seems like i'm saying that this was easy. It was not. We were lucky. Although most kids get through adolescence without too much trauma, some do not and it isn't easy to predict who will or won't be harmed, or how serious the damage will be. So keep your eyes and ears open, stay involved and stay aware. Some of the most involved parents still ended up with children in serious trouble. What saved them was that they were involved.

Take my opinion and ideas for what they are worth. Things weren't always smooth or simple, the girls did lie to us and misinform us, we did have to intervene and set limits, but we always tried to reason things through, to have reasons for our decisions and to respect their growing intelligence and maturity. And sometimes we just had to say ''because I'm not comfortable, and can't think of a reason, so no.'' The two older ones tell us that we did a good job and were good parents. They call us and talk to us daily even now, so I feel like in our family at least our strategies worked.

Take this for what it's worth, use what you can, ignore the rest, adjust what doesn't feel right. Have faith in your daughter.

One last thing, never let a day go by without telling her that you love her and complementing her on a good choice, an accomplilshment, a mature decision. Let her know you care. Carolyn

The only thing I can think of to tell you is to talk about responsibility. If they went to school, did their chores, let you know where they were, came home on time, etc. I would let them know that I was giving them permission to do XXX because they had shown that they were being responsible and using good judgement. Demonstrating more responsibility leads to more privileges. Coming out the other end

Our boys were a lot easier than our daughter. Girls mature earlier and they can be more interested in having boyfriends in high school than boys. Nevertheless, we were there to pick our our daughter at any time and we did rescue her from a situation she felt too young to take part of. Our boys are in frequent contact with us now and often call to run things by us, something they did not want to do in high school. If you get through the tough times your relationship with your kids can improve when they are a little older. Judy