Seeking Youth oriented church in Berkeley

I just moved to the area and have two sons, 15 and 19. I'm looking for a church with a good youth program. I read an earlier posting about whether to ''make'' older teens go to church or not, and that was informative -- my sons may or may not want to go to church a lot, but church was a big part of their life where we came from, and since they don't know anyone here at all, seemed like at least a good start for social outlet (as well as school and sports). Optimally would like a larger church with good contemporary worship and opportunity for youth to perform (percussionist and vocalist). Thanks.

Should I insist that teens' continue with church?

I have two girls - one a teen and one getting close. I have tried to raise them with a spiritual focus. We often talk about God, pray and we consider ourselves a Christian family. We attend a great church in Berkeley that is fun and somewhat youth oriented, and I am involved in volunteering there, Both the girls are really great kids - smart, funny, and spiritual as well. However, as the girls get older, I notice that they really are not that interested in church, especially as they don't seem to have any friends that go there. On top of that, I hate making them go to church. This may sound selfish, but sitting next to a mopey teen is so distracting and brings me down too. Both won't go to the youth groups for their ages (too many boys, too sports oriented). I have looked into a fabulous group called Young Life which meets at a friend's home, but they are nervous about going to a group where they know no-one. I have received some advice from another Mom indicating I expect too much from teens and pre-teens and that they'll ''come around''. My concern is that as the kids get more and more influenced by peers and less likely to speak to old Mom and Dad about things, I would love to see them surrounded by positive influences and to continue in the faith that we instilled in them. My questions are: do I force them to go to church, or go without them? Do I take them to the Young Life group even though they know no-one. Do I just let them be - is my job done in this regard (as one friend seems to think)? How have other families dealt with this? Faith in a sometimes cold world

More than 20 years later, I'm still not religious... in part because the emphasis was more on obedience and conformity, and much less on what was meaningful to me, the value of faith, and the support that comes from belonging to a congregation.

You sound like an understanding parent, and I think that your messages about the importance of your faith in your everyday life will take root somewhere. But you may see better long-term results if you allow some flexibility in the short term. You have given your child a solid foundation, but beliefs are always more lasting and meaningful when we embrace them ourselves than when they are dictated to us. Good luck to you. Lapsed

First about the youth group - I think it is fair to 'make' your girls try a youth group even if they don't know anyone. (I know that at that age they want to do everything 'with a friend', but that's not real life, and very limiting). Make a deal with them about how many times they have to do, and then if their reasons for not liking it are reasonable, let them stop going.

I started taking my daughter to church when she was eight. Part of my motivation was that she was the only grandchild who hadn't been baptized. I felt like I was breaking with a family tradition, and that didn't feel right. I had to join a church in order to have my daughter baptized.

I had stopped attending church when I went to college at 18, but though I was a lapsed church goer, I still felt some semblance of faith and belief. When I was growing up, my family went to church. That was the way it was - no questioning. However, as all teens, I did begin to question religion, which led to some interesting discussions with my dad.

With my own daughter, she barely went to church her last year of high school. I'm a single parent with shared custody so she was with me only ever other Sunday. I didn't want to 'make' her go because I didn't see the point. She knew what the church service was like, she had been baptized at age 11 and confirmed at age 14. She served on the search committee for our pastor. In other words, she knew what she was missing. However, she did volunteer with me at YEAH (homeless shelter for youth in Berkeley) a couple of times her last year. Though I didn't make her go to church her last year of high school, I pretty much insisted on it when she was younger (at most she had to go to church twice a month).

I think it is worth noting that my daughter attended Saint Mary's Catholic High School, so she was attending school in a religious environment. We didn't choose SMCHS because it is a Catholic school. My daughter ended up there because BHS was not an option, and she didn't get into her first choice high school. She was not keen on the school her first semester, but at the end of four years, she was very happy there and really liked the school. She said that it was a great - and diverse - community of students. The religion classes are well taught and were some of my daughter's favorites. I could not have predicted this when she started at SMCHS.

My daughter does have faith, does believe in God, and even prays now and then. But she says that she doesn't like 'organized' religion. I pretty much felt that way when I was her age.

I think you should take your obligation to raise your children in the Christian faith seriously, as that is the promise you make when your children are baptized. To me that means much more than just going to church. That said, it is tough being a Christian in Berkeley.

Here are my specific suggestions:

* Try to compromise - they don't have to go to church every Sunday, but they do have to go every other Sunday, or something like that.

* See if there is a way that your children can participate in the worship service. For example, my daughter liked being an usher during the service better than just sitting.

* Have family time after church - even when I was in high school, I enjoyed going out to breakfast after church with my parents. We didn't go out to restaurants much, and my parents had a troubled marriage, but breakfast after church always was a nice family time. Maybe there is some after-church activity that would be a treat for your children.

* Look for volunteer activities that you can do with your children in lieu of going to church.

* When your children ask you what you want for your birthday, Mother's Day, etc., tell them that you want them to go to church with you. This tells them that the experience of worshiping together is more precious to you than a material gift. My daughter will go to church with me on these occasions and is well-behaved, i.e., doesn't mope.

* Share with your children what going to church and living a life of faith means to you. Janet