• Post-Prom Parties - any hints?
• Hotel Rooms after the Prom?
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Post-Prom Parties - any hints?

I've given my daughter permission to have her post-Jr. prom party at our house. I've never done this before. I know my husband and I won't sleep (at the same time) that night. I also don't know all these kids -- some are old friends, but not all. I expect about 20. Does anyone have any advice?

I've thought of the problems of alcohol, cars, sleeping over, extra guests, neighbors and noise. Anything else I should watch out for? Any hints for helping it work smoothly?

The guest list will require an adult to act as 'bouncer', refusing anyone not on the list. This can be hard for some parent-teen relations, so it might be good to ask a friend (a big man, for example) to be the bouncer. Some refused kids can be very sneaky, going around to the back door or a window. I've know of a situation where refused kids started their own party out on the sidewalk!

I'm sure this all sounds very dramatic, and not at all your daughter's character or her friends - - they're probably all responsible, trustworth people. But it might be best to prepare for the worst, but expect the best. anon

Hotel Rooms after the Prom?

May 2001
I have a neighbor whose daughter has just turned 16. She went to the Berkeley High senior prom with a boy who is a senior. As things unfold, it turns out that a large group of parents rented rooms at a posh hotel in San Francisco for their children to stay in after the prom. One boy and one girl to a room. My neighbors found out after their daughter had left for the prom, leaving them phone numbers where she could be reached. When they called the boy's parents to see what was going on, the parents said they had rented a room for their son and his date and that other parents had done the same thing. My neighbor was appalled, and wanted to see how we would respond, since we have a boy. Her daughter told her all the other parents thought it was okay. I have to say, we were appalled, not that the kids may be having a sexual relationship, but that the parents thought renting the rooms was okay without talking to the parents of their son's date. If something happened to a girl in this situation, the legal issues would be horrible. I'm writing because I would like to hear what other parents think about this. Another interesting point: The parents of the boy also have a daughter who is younger, who they believe they have to keep a close watch over. As parents of boys, it seems to me that it is our responsibility to encourage an environment that is one which we would want our daughters or the daughters of our friends. Something seems wrong with this picture. Anybody have any thoughts about this?

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My daughter also went to the prom on Saturday. Eight kids rented a limo,and after the dance the driver toured the city and drove over the GG bridge. This is my idea of appropriate after-prom activity. I don't care how many other parents are supposedly giving permission and renting rooms for couples to use after the prom, there is no good reason for the boy's parents not to have contacted the girl's parents to see if this arrangement was acceptable to them. Louise

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How interesting that they didn't know the after prom plans before the prom! My reaction is that I'm appalled, IF the rooms are intended for boy/girl habitation, and THAT the parents are paying for it. Where is the prom being held? My daughter is younger, but this (if in fact it happened--I'd like to believe it didn't) is never going to be ok with us. On another note -- my subsequent children are NEVER going to get away with "All the other kid's parents say its fine" as a justification for anything. My oldest tried it once or twice, and I started checking with the other parents......who'd been told exactly the same thing. Heather

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I do not think that "any" parent should "rent" rooms for boy/girl occupancy for any reason. Why can't the parents put "same" sex teenagers together. I am appalled that adults would encourage such behavior. I may be politically/socially incorrect, but I do not trust raging hormones. The young people might get together for "whatever" that night, but not with my encouragement.

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I think it is terrible for the parents to assume that your 16 yr old daughter should spend the night in a hotel room in SF with their son with out the other parents' approval -- if their son is over 18, he could be in much legal/financial trouble and so could they.

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The idea of parents renting hotel rooms for their sons and their dates is entirely inappropriate. The fact they did not inform the parents of the girl involved is *unthinkable*. As the parent of a daughter, I would be livid if I found myself in a similar situation. This action by parents says a number of things: - condones a sexual encounter - we'll provide the privacy to enable you to take your relationship to whatever level you decide on - pressures both boys and girls into very possibly unwanted sex - places girls at risk of pregnancy - places both boys and girls at risk of emotional damage

I believe that as parents our job with teens is to *set limits* and enforce them and to protect our kids from this sort of inappropriate exposure. The fact that the parents of a number of kids were involved in making such arrangements is even more appalling. I can imagine there being one set of parents who would support this kind of an arrangement....but several!??? In my opinion the action of these parents is indefensible.

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My junior daughter hit me up for this for both senior and junior proms. My final word: no. I don't care who is doing it or not, you be home at 3:00 or 3:30, which seems to be early for them. You get a hotel room when you are old enough to be on your own. Sandy

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Seventeen years ago I used to work for a San Francisco posh hotel, and around prom season we were coached in detecting teenager voices over the phone who wanted to reserve suites, management did not want to rent suites to them, because they trashed the rooms to the point that it ended up costing the hotel more than the price of the room. So this is not new. Furthermore, parents were getting in the act and calling for their kids, for which we could not refuse, since they had credit cards handy. I guess the only advice is that parents should be giving their kids a pick up time, however I hate to say, but the room was being used mostly during the prom.

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I am writing in response to the parent who reported second hand information (gossip) about the Berkeley High Sr. Prom and the alleged fact that parents rented "posh hotel rooms" for couples. It echoes much too close to a similar conversation I had with another parent regarding the events of that evening. It's interesting to me that when you leave out pertinent facts, how twisted a story can become - so here goes:

"I have a neighbor whose daughter has just turned 16. She went to the Berkeley High senior prom with a boy who is a senior. As things unfold, it turns out that a large group of parents rented rooms at a posh hotel in San Francisco for their children to stay in after the prom. One boy and one girl to a room."

This is absolutely untrue -- IF, we are talking about the same group of teenagers, including my son, under NO circumstances did any of the parents rent rooms for "individual couples." This is absurd to even imagine! How could anyone even tempt that idea!?

"My neighbors found out after their daughter had left for the prom, leaving them phone numbers where she could be reached."

The most interesting part here is that the kids in question, about 10-15 couples, some of whom have known each other since grade school, were invited to the home of one of the parents who hosted a potluck dinner for everyone. Yes, it was a wonderful evening; introductions being made, great food, merriment, parents and kids photographing each other -- however, my son's date and her parent(s) never showed up. When the party broke up and the couples left for the prom, he and his friends went to the home of the young woman to pick her up. Upon meeting the parents, it appears that the daughter told her parents that she had made overnight arrangements at the home of a girlfriend's aunt in San Francisco. My son never questioned the validity of her overnight arrangements and one can't help wonder why the parents did not question their daughter about this prior to the evening if they were so concerned about her attending the prom.

"When they called the boy's parents to see what was going on, the parents said they had rented a room for their son and his date and that other parents had done the same thing."

Fact, some kids did rent hotel rooms for after the prom -- in their name with the full understanding that parents were well aware of the plans. We are not talking "one room /couple" -- in fact, my son and his friends, I said friends plural, rented two, non-smoking rooms for a rather large group. What could they possibly be doing . . . they brought left over food, had music, movies and hung-out. It's hard to imagine that 18 year olds could possibly act like responsible young adults -- after all, we were 18 years old once too!

In addition, I told the parent that I had been looking forward to meeting them and their daughter/date and was disappointed that they didn't attend the potluck as they were aware of the dinner invitation. It's also unfortunate that the information the date provided my son about her overnight accommodation was inaccurate and placed him and his friends, in a compromising situation. Yes, something is wrong with this picture and it's definitely unfortunate that we are quick to assume the worse.

-a trusting parent-

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My son is a senior and he went to the prom. I asked him about couples in rooms, and he told me he did hear of kids doing that, but most of the after-prom events, hotel or otherwise, were parties with a lot more than 2 kids. Most of his friends had arranged in advance some sort of group activity after the prom, starting at 1 or 2 am and continuing until 5 or 6am. In my son's case, there was a party before, parents allowed for the first half-hour, and a party after, for pre-determined guests. Most of his friends hired a limo or minibus to take them to the prom, and then afterwards to the afterprom activity. There were some kids who went afterwards to someone's house. There were some kids who'd gone in together and rented a place in Stinson Beach, and there were some kids who had pitched in on hotel rooms in San Francisco. Dates to the prom were lined up a long time ago - it's kind of hard to imagine there would be parents who had no idea how their kids were getting to the prom or what they'd be doing afterwards until the day of the prom. My impression is that the girls especially start planning a long time ahead on what to wear, so it does seem like a parent would be able to find out way ahead what the plans are. Personally, I don't have a problem with seniors staying out all night on prom night. These kids will be on their own in a few months. It doesn't make sense to me to insist that they be totally supervised at all times. The prom is a big deal - it is a special occasion that calls for special exceptions to the usual rules, at least that is how I look at it.

As to the sophomore girl whose parents found out the night of the prom that she'd be staying overnight in SF... First, are you sure this was really one couple per room? Second, are you sure the girl didn't know about the plan before the night-of? Maybe you didn't get the whole story from her parents (who may not have gotten the whole story from their daughter.) Did her parents not talk to her date or his parents about how they'd get there and when they'd be back? In my opinion the girl's parents need to take some responsibility for figuring out whether their daughter is meeting the rules they make for her, especially if she's dating an 18-year-old, whose parents probably have more relaxed rules than when their son was younger.

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Regarding the hotel rooms at the prom, I asked my kid if she had heard about this happening. She said she had, and she seemed to think that quite a number of other kids were doing this. So it doesn't seem to be just one of those rumors; I'd like to hear from any parents who agreed to this and what their reasoning is.

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Re: Hotel room after prom Would like to add my 2 cents worth. This issue has certainly generated an outpouring of emotional responses from parents, many appalled and critical of the 18-year old young man and his parents and other parents who allegedly may have gone along with the renting of rooms. Let me interject here that the reality is that there are many 18-year old boys and girls who have funds and the know-how to rent hotel rooms without the need for any adult intervention. As the parent of two teenagers (one of whom, incidentally, is an 18-year old boy who recently attended the BHS senior prom and was quite open about his plans and those of the group of friends with whom he attended), I am well aware of the challenges of raising teenagers. What I've come to realize is that we as parents are not going to be privy to every activity in which our kids are involved. A good illustration of this is given by the writer who informed us that at the hotel they worked in, the hotel room was used mostly during the prom. What this says to me is that having a curfew does not necessarily guarantee that our children aren't engaging in behavior which we would find unacceptable before that curfew; it simply means that they're arriving home in time. What is important for us as parents to do is establish guidelines and set good examples for the kind of behavior which we feel is acceptable (and this will differ from family to family, depending on the family's values, parenting philosophy and age of the child), then trust that our kids will attempt to make educated, wise decisions. For teens to be willing to really hear what we're trying to teach them, good communication needs to be established; kids who feel they have a voice will not feel they need to lie or deceive in order to do things they wish to. While I think it may be interesting that the after-prom plans weren't known before the prom, I can't help but wonder why the young lady didn't share her plans with her parents. Perhaps folks should not have been so quick to lay so much blame on the shoulders of the 18-year old man and his parents. This issue is not as black and white as it first appears to be.

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As a parent of a senior, I'm writing because I didn't like the tone of the letters that followed this second-hand recounting of a situation that was judged very harshly. Perhaps most of the writers are not parents of seniors. When a child has gone through three years of high school, becomes 18, male or female, I'd like to know how much parental control and authority you feel you should exert. It's a question of many values involved, from a strict authoritarian perspective to the more liberal approach. No one approach works for all children as they are as individual in their needs and emotional make-up as their parents, and at 18, they can do everything legally but drink and have sex with minors, but they do that too. However, readers and writers should be very careful about condemning a situation they don't know first-hand.

I feel the judgment against the senior boy and his parents was misdirected. First of all, as a parent of a sophomore girl, it is not the time to find out on the night of the prom that she's going to spend the night in a hotel room rented for each couple. I believe a serious miscommunication occurred, or at the least it was "half-baked" between the parents and/or single parent of this sophomore girl, because there is a lot of advance planning for any prom -- from renting tuxes, getting corsages and hair-do's, and ball gowns/dresses, renting limos, arranging dinner and rides, and the money it costs -- all this certainly should prompt a discussion in advance about how she was going to spend the senior prom night with her date. You've got to be clear and communicate your values as a parent to your child, not work on this level of desperation after the fact, with nothing but a list of phone numbers in your hand on the night of such a big event. Anyway, if that's the style of communication now with this sophomore girl, then she's going to get away with much more than just a night out with a senior as she gets older (she may have already gotten away with a lot more than the parents would like to know). And believe me, 16 year old girls in this day and age are probably far more sexually aware and active than many an 18 year old boy. So, the blame for this should not just attach to the 18 year old and his parents.

My perspective is now one of looking back at my child's life at Berkeley High from freshman to being a senior, and I feel I've been through the fires (literally and figuratively), battles, the trenches, and lived through it all--not a perfect world raising teenagers, but certainly I raised my child with love and the thought of my child's safety first and foremost, and tried to be open and communicative with my child so in turn I would get the same back, and I have and I haven't. However, teens take risks no matter how parents forewarn them and try to keep them out of harm's way. It's a way of life for teenagers, and it's their world, so some part of it you should not know, or even want to know. To know everything is to freak out. But, if parents can remember their own teen years they may find they were exactly the same and what they didn't tell their parents would fill a book, where what they told their parents would be about a paragraph in that book. --jahlee

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Thanks everybody for cluing me in to what goes on. It gave me a chance to talk to my kids about my expectations well in advance of the event.

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It's time for me, mother of the invited sophomore, to take a front seat to the Senior Prom night issue and its aftermath. Right off I want to say one of the least wholesome activities occurred the next morning in Union City, the destination for Crispy Cream donuts. Much of the earlier events, I'm convinced, were also safe, reverent and innocuous. Still, I don't think I was sweating small stuff.

In retrospect, I should have given her a deadline date for handing in the contact numbers. She gave me cause for distrust (procrastinations and distortions), and yet I agonized about not trusting her judgment or scheming. As it turns out, had I been given the right contact, my girl would not have been a prom date to a friend, as I was not ready to allow the hotel overnight, which was part and parcel to a heady evening.

Forseeing my stand, my daughter had dwelled and schemed on every possible means to be part of an exulted post-prom hotel overnight. Nothing short of a ballistic confrontation with her father and me would have stopped her from this irresistible affair. I began to wonder if her date's parents were aware of the evening events and perhaps would take initiative to call me.

On Prom night, I detained the entourage of friends (some who have spent casual times at our house) and her charming (and new to me) date at my house until I had what I requested for weeks prior--the phone number of her date's parents and overnight host. I reached the parent immediately. The host was bogus.

No wonder she concealed everything from me! No way did she want me to know of the hotel night with date and friends, although other parents approved, supported and shared full confidence in the event. As outside parents who did not see the admirable seniors grow up from childhood, we weren't ready for this sort of initiation, thus we would most likely be the lone dissenter of this collective adventure.

No way was she having us meet the parents of seniors at this lovely get-together. I could have gone apocalyptic! So I was encased in darkness by all parties, just as she planned. By the way, the hotel did not have her name registered, which caused me to think sick and twisted. But in fact she was in good company.

She accepted the consequences without an iota of resistance. She took all risks, knowing clearly my view that she's too young to deal with the many possibilities challenging sense and sensibility. And a hotel room affords that scenario.

I want to thank all for arousing this issue and all for sharing comments.

Parent of a sophomore

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Thanks to the "Parent of Sophomore" who wrote a response with such integrity that I am moved to immediately respond. Sometimes Parent's of Teens postings can be rantings and ravings without much self-reflection. It's so hard for us to see what I consider to be the most important part of being parents-- to see our own naivete or overoptimism or procrastination or flat out fear of dialing in what's true-- call it what's most fitting-- and to see the corresponding deception, naivete, manipulation, and folly of our children and learn from it all. I've always felt it better that my kids make their biggest mistakes while we're still close by enough to help mop up or elucidate or slam down the gavel as needed. Fortunately, I've found most kids to be decent and as you point out, much of what goes on is innocuous. But we also know that sometimes it's everything we were afraid of with added stuff we failed to anticipate.

Thanks for letting us see the full circle of this prom issue and how the best in us can grapple with the tough stuff of being parents. Winifred

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Thanks everybody for cluing me in to what goes on. It gave me a chance to talk to my kids about my expectations well in advance of the event.

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I feel compelled to write again because I have had so many thoughts since I wrote the first letter which initiated all of this conversation about hotel rooms and prom night. After speaking with numerous parents about this issue, most of whom are parents of boys, I want to turn the conversation to what our responsibilities are, as parents of boys, when our boys start dating, particularly when they are dating younger girls (which is usually the case). Perhaps it would be useful to have the conversation outside the events of Prom Night, so that it is less personalized. I would like to hear from other parents about how they handle these issues. I don't want to perpetuate what I grew up with--a "boys will be boys" atmosphere in which it was the job of a girl and her parents to be sure the girl takes care of herself. I would like to create an environment in which we care about everyone's child as if that child were our own. I know this sounds "Pollyanna-ish". Somehow, though, what I would like to see is that we create an community in which parents of boys feel responsible for the girls their sons date as if those girls were their daughters. I wonder how other parents feel about this issue, and would welcome a dialogue about this.

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Editor Note: this subsequent discussion can be found here: "What are the Boyfriend's Parents Responsible for?"

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