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Step-son having parties when we go out of town

Oct 2008

My husband has a 16-year-old son who, when we are out of town, does his best to make use of our empty house. Unless we have a house sitter, and even that is problematic, what do you suggest we do about keeping him out of our empty house. He understands that this is off limits, but as soon as we leave, he is here -- inviting friends in, smoking pot, generally making use of our house despite explicit instructions to the contrary. What now? Frustrated stepparent


Helloooo! I hear you and only one response came to mind. Didn't you get the parenting 101 memo? You cannot leave the house overnight when your son has these inclinations...cross off overnight traveling for the next three years or more...there is no other way...it's just part of your job.... there will be life for me after son's teenage-hood
You could be in big trouble here if something happens in this house while you are away. Sounds like you have been fairly passive by telling him No, but not enforcing it. You are implying that the stepson doesn't live with you but ''visits'' the house while you are away. Based on this, take definitive steps. First, change the locks. Second, seriously consider a burglar alarm system (that would prevent him from breaking a window to get in). Third, don't necessarily tell him when you are going out of town. I don't understand why your house sitter is problematic--because the house sitter can't control your son? Perhaps the son has larger problems and needs treatment. At any rate, this is a problem that could turn into a horror, so try to stop it now! Anonymous
Let's start by stating the obvious: Having a key to your house is a privilege which he has abused. If he doesn't have a key to your house and breaks in, its a legal matter.

Once you have your keys back, you need to start telling your neighbors when you go out of town, and telling the police. THEN you tell your step son that you have done so. If you're afraid of hurting his feelings or him thinking you don't trust him (why would you?) I would tell him exactly what I told my own kids if one stayed behind (at a friend's house) while we were out of town... after I took their keys....

''This isn't about whether we trust you -- but we DON'T trust all of your friends. This way we remove the ability of your friends to exploit you and abuse our home. Feel free to tell them we're unfair, that the police are watching our house or anything else you need to to follow this rule.''

And, I'd probably get an alarm, or change the code on the one I have. The legal and liability issues are huge, in addition to the fact that your teenager is abusing your trust.

Been There. Changed the Locks.


I'm not sure why you say a housesitter is problematic. This solution seems best to me--clarify that you want someone who will be in the house every evening--maybe you will even have to pay. I haven't used folks from this site but a friend recommended it http://www.housecarers.com/

Or only go away when your son is also away. We struggle with this too--I don't mean to sound cold, but there is no other way to stop it, I don't think. It sounds like he doesn't live with you--can you take away his key or would he just find a way in?. They will grow up one day


Hire a housesitter. anon
Thank you for worrying about this. I appreciate it very much when other parents make sure their space can't be used when they're away. A housesitter or live-in grandparent is the answer. Email me and I will give you contact information for a very reliable man who housesits. peg
The answer seems to clear to me. Don't leave town. A 16 year old boy who smokes pot and does not follow your rules should not be left. He will be in college in two years. Save your trips for then. mom of two teens
I'm recommending that you be a hardass about this because I view it as a potentially extremely dangerous situation. By inviting friends over to party when you are out of town your stepson could get into something way over his head.

So, what I suggest is get an alarm system if you don't already have one. When you leave town, change the code to one he doesn't know and turn the system on. If he uses his key to get in and can't turn the system off, the cops will come. He'll have some 'splainin' to do. A basic system is not terribly expensive to install and you should probably have one anyway.

If you don't like the alarm idea, you can have an extra doublekey deadbolt lock added to your front door and back door(s) for which only you have the key. You don't use this lock except when you are out of town. If you only have a couple of doors, this will not be terribly expensive either. If he is the kind of kid who would break a window to get in, I would definitely do the alarm system. Good luck. stepmom whose stepkids never did this


1. Get an alarm system that connects to a service that will send out security (such as Bay Alarm). 2. Alert your nosiest neighbor that the kid isn't to be there when you aren't home. Encourage them to call the police if it happens. 3.Alert the police to weekends you will be away and the past problems. Ask them to make an extra drive by at night. 4. Parents are increasingly being held responsible legally for teens' actions when the parents aren't there. I am sure many of us on the list could relate incidents that would make your hair stand on end as to what our and our friends' kids get up to when left by themselves for too long. former BHS teacher
Install an alarm system in your house. When you go out of town, change the alarm code temporarily and set the alarm. Also notify the alarm company that your son is not allowed in the house during this time. Then, even if your son has the key to your house, he still won't be able to use it -- not too much fun with the alarm going off and the police coming by. You can also enlist your neighbors to help -- I'm sure they don't want pot parties in your empty house. Ask them to call the police if they see activity while you're gone. good luck
Others will probably suggest this - just change the locks and don't let your son have a key. It might be inconvenient for you, but it will eliminate the lure of easy access. If he goes so far as to break in, maybe you don't want to leave town much until he grows up a bit. Most kids mature eventually!! In the same boat
After our teen's first ''betrayal of our trust'' like this, we made her stay at another person's home and told our neighbors to treat the house as if no one lived there. We told them to call the police immediately if they saw ANYONE in the house (even one of our kids), except the particular person who was given charge of watching over the house. We had my brother check regularly, particularly at night. In your case, the other parent (husband's ex?) should be on alert about this and you should stress she is responsible for her son's behavior, including unauthorized entry into the house. In some cities, police will (when asked) make periodic sweeps by the home.

IMPORTANT: THIS IS A MATTER OF POTENTIAL LEGAL LIABILITY. I don't like police involvement any more than any of you here and I was reluctant to take this approach at first. However, we all need to remember that anything that happens in our home AND any damage or injury caused because of actions by a minor of whom you are responsible is YOUR legal liability ... you could be in BIG legal trouble. It's not just a minor concern; you should treat it as the serious issue it is.

This is a very common problem and too often the seriousness is underestimated, dismissed with a shrug. But even some of the most reliable teens can be coerced into taking advantage of this situation. Basically, you have to muster all the forces and show you are serious. nakeemca


I will be looking forward to hearing what other parents say, as I have a child who is still young but could get into the party mode at one of his parents' houses easily. I did want to offer another comment -- in your letter, you really distance yourself from this young man. ''my husband's son'' ''our house'' -- is your house not also sometimes this young man's home? Are you not his stepmother? It may be that his behavior has just made you so upset that you don't want to claim relationship to him, but it struck me that the distance that I was sensing in your letter might actually contribute to the problem. If he feels that you think of him in any case as a visitor at best or intruder at worst, perhaps he doesn't feel much responsibility toward you or your feelings. I'm just wondering. potentially a future stepmother
That 16 year old sounds a lot like I was at that age. You'll probably have other folks say this too - change your locks! It is a huge liability to have minors in your house conducting illegal activities. You can and will be held responsible, even if you are not home. I'm sure I wouldn't want to do that to my child, take away his right to enter, but I really don't see another choice. Not to mention, he has broken your wishes on the subject and that is the natural consequence. Good luck! an old party girl

PTA Article about Teen Parties

June 2006

A few months ago, someone posted asking for information about the Berkeley Police Dept's workshop on out-of-control teen parties. I don't think anyone responded to that, but I just came across an article published in Jan 2006 by the Berkeley High School PTSA that gives an excellent account of the magnitude of the problem, and what parents can do: ''Parents Need to Know the Risks of Weekend Teenage Parties''


Unsupervised teen parties

March 2006

In last week's newsletter there was an item from the Berkeley Police about a March 23 community forum on ''Teen Parties''. I have been meaning to write to the newsletter letting people know about my own experience. Our kids had an unauthorized party at our house in February just one week before the tragic teen party in North Berkeley where a teenager was stabbed to death (see http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?archiveDate=02-17-06&storyID=23437). It was very scary because it could have been our house. So I wanted to let other parents know what happened at our house.

We went out of town for the weekend and left our two kids, 20 and 23, in charge. We knew from their Berkeley High days that parents out of town often means party at your house, where everyone is invited, invitations are word of mouth and the door is open to anyone and everyone. But this time we thought they were older, they are good kids and they could be trusted. They promised no parties. What happened is they did have a party. Kids showed up that they didn't know, and things got out of control. There was a fight outside in the front yard. They really didn't know how to deal with it. They told us later that it never occurred to them to call the police. Someone could have been hurt, thank God no one was. Things were stolen - our cell phones and cameras and ipods. They paid us back out of their meager funds, but I learned my lesson: next time I don't leave them in the house by themselves no matter what. Please be extra conservative about leaving your kids at home alone. If you must leave them, ask a neighbor to check in, and talk to your kids about what ''out of control'' means, and what to do when that happens.
Still learning


March 2006

Community Forum on Teen Parties

The Berkeley Police Department, in conjunction with the District 5 Berkeley City Council Office, is sponsoring a community forum on Thursday, March 23 on the growing concerns around teen parties:
- The social factors that lead to out-of-control teen events
- What teens can do if their party gets out of control
- Teen anxiety about calling the police. What will really happen?
- What are parents’ responsibilities if they are not there?
- What can and should neighbors do if they suspect a large, unsupervised teen party?
- How web sites, such as “My Space,” play a roll in spreading the word.

The BPD will also be available to address concerns about the February homicide on Contra Costa Ave.

The meeting will be Thursday, March 23, 7:00 pm to 8:30 pm at the Northbrae Church Community Center, 941 The Alameda, Berkeley. Available for questions will be representatives from the Berkeley Police Department’s Community Services Bureau and Homicide Division, and the City’s Mental Health Division.

For information, call the BPD Area Coordinator, Officer Nutterfield, at 981-5806, or the District 5 Council Office at 981-7150.
Jill Martinucci, aide to Berkeley Councilmember, District 5


Spontaneous Huge Parties - Parents Away

March 2005

I'm very concerned about teen parties that appear to take place every weekend at Berkeley, Oakland and Piedmont homes where parents are away. They seem to explode rapidly into something very large and sometimes out of control, are attended by many many kids unknown to the ''hosts'', and are accompanied by lots of alcohol, marijuana and, I suspect, yet more serious things. Is this a growing problem generally, or is it a problem that I'm only now tumbling to given my child's current high level of interest in participation? In addition to monitoring our own children's behavior and talking informally with other parents, is there any coordinated community effort to address this phenomenon? I welcome information, thoughts, advice, etc. etc. Thanks, Bea


I graduated from Berkeley High in 1982. This party desciption sounds exactly like the parties I started going to (unbeknownst to my parents) in 1977. They were wild and fun and super exciting, and my friends and I did a lot of really stupid things. I think most of us recovered. The best result: I got all the partying out of my system by the time I was a senior at BHS. I had no desire to ''party'' at UC and did much better than some of my dorm mates who had had a more sheltered high school experience. --Good luck

Options for Dealing with Parties and Drugs

Editor Note: These very helpful tips are notes from a workshop given to parents about parties and drinking by local therapist Michael Y. Simon, MFT, Director of Counseling, Bentley Upper School

March 2005

I'm posting below some information from a workshop I give on parties/drugs in high school. I hope this helps.

Options for Dealing with Parties/Drugs and Their Likely or Hoped-For Consequences

Strategy 1: Doing Nothing or “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Parents decide that there is nothing they can do and they can’t control their child, who is on the way to adulthood. The likely consequence though is that your child will feel ignored and abandoned in someway and will feel that the unspoken bond of trust has been betrayed, since children usually expect their parents to watch out for them and their safety, even if they rail against it.

What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. When you have to confront someone you care about, the best strategy is to just ignore things and hope for the best. They probably can’t do the right thing, even if they know what it is.
2. It’s pointless trusting or consulting my parents because they won’t get involved or will feel burdened anyway.

Strategy 2: Doing Everything or “No @#$@ Way”

Parents decide that there is no way that they can trust their child to do the right thing. They forbid party- going and constantly check their child for drug and alcohol use. The child must answer to every inquiry and the parents verify every answer.

What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. I can’t be trusted to do anything on my own; I’m untrustworthy and can’t mess up in order to learn.
2. I am not capable of taking responsibility in a difficult situation. People think I shouldn’t have choices, just limitations.
3. I’m still a child and need to be micro-managed or I’ll be out of control.
4. I need to act like a kid, to prove my parents right OR I need to be “hyper-adult” to prove I’m not a child (and thus, may in fact get in over my head as I attempt to take on too much adult responsibility).

Strategy 3: “Its All In Good Fun” or “I’m my teen’s best friend!” strategy

Parents might smoke or drink or use drugs in the house or might bond with their child by telling them about their “good old days” in the 60s and 70s when they too got busted by the cops or pulled over for drunk driving or snuck out of the house and fooled their parents or had a party when grandma and grandpa went away. The idea is that this bonding will encourage the child to share information about sex, drug use and parties and will keep it all from becoming a big deal. Plus, if it goes on in the house, they can keep an eye on it all, right?

What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. My parents may be more concerned with what I want than what I need.
2. I can be trusted no matter what I do and my parents are really my friends, so if I mess up, its not such a big deal (and, consequently, I can’t really go to them).
3. Something is wrong if someone close to me has more power than I do.
4. The line between freedom and responsibility is blurry and difficult to figure out, because there are never really clear limits or boundaries around potentially dangerous activities.

Strategy 4: The Subtle Intervention: “No Big Talks”

Parents decide that they will not do one “big” intervention, but will try many, ongoing, “little” interventions, and include a number of strategies like: asking what the child thinks about the party/certain aspects of drug use; catching their child being “responsible” and subtly pointing it out or expressing their appreciation for a hard decision, well made; offer advice when it’s asked for but provide conditional offers of help from time to time, or providing “cover stories” to save face e.g., saying, “well, I’m still not totally okay about this party thing, but if you find that things are getting out of control tomorrow, let’s arrange a phone signal and I’ll come pick you up someplace where no one can see me getting you.”

What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. My parents still care and are available in a pinch but they have some faith in me.
2. I’m trusted to come up with solutions on my own, because they often ask me what I think, rather than tell me what to do.
3. My intuition and “inner voice” is valued and valuable as a source of decision-making.
4. Things are not out of my control—I have choices and can get over the fear I have that I won’t be able to do the right thing (apropos of the essay you heard earlier).

Tips for Changing the Setting and Set Around Drug Use and Parties

Michael Y. Simon, MFT
Director of Counseling, Bentley Upper School


15-Y-O Wants to Go to Unsupervised Teen Parties

Sept 2004

I am a parent of a very social 15 year old sophmore at BHS. My daughter wants to be able to attend parties where there are no adults present in the home. My rules have been that there must be a parent in the house during the party, and I need to have the name and phone number of the parent of the kid that is hosting the party. My daughter complains that I am way too strict and that lots of her junior and senior friends have parties without parents in the home all the time. I would like to hear from parents of other high school age kids, (especially girls) regarding your rules for party attendance.


We have a 13 year old girl and a 16 year old boy, and we feel the same way you do. Absolutely no unsupervised parties -- just too much potential for problems. By the way, I lived with my boyfriend and his twin boys for 6 years, when they were age 15-21. We let them have parties at 15, 16, 17, but we were around, mostly in our room but with occasional passes through the house to check. Awfully glad we were around, because these kids (nice kids, good students, scouts, band, etc) just come up with DUMB ideas... and the girls were certainly the instigators at least 1/2 the time. Dumb ideas like let's go wander thru the neighborhood, or let's dangle so-and-so over the balcony. It seems like fun to them, because they are KIDS. Parents have to be there or things can easily get very risky. Been There - Don't!
First of all, you should definitely read the previous postings (including student perspective). I am also the parent of a 15-y.o. (well, almost) girl, and I ALWAYS insist on getting the address, phone number, and host's name for any party being contemplated. I really do call the home, introduce myself, and check that parents will be home throughout the party. While I realize this is no guarantee that ''nothing will happen'', I do want to verify that the parents are aware of/approve of the party (as in, not out of town), and to make them aware that at least one guest's parent cares enought to check it out. My daughter insists that I'm the only one who does this, but I tell her that part of my job as her parent is to help assure her safety. I think she knows that at least a few other parents do this, too, although she wouldn't admit it. I also repeatedly stress that she can call me for a ride at any time, if she is in any way uncomfortable. I also make a point of discussing my concerns with her every time (to her dismay, but that's how I am). So far, she has been good about calling me if she is going to be later than originally planned. At this point, her ride home has always been with either one of her parents, or another adult we know - never kids.

Part of the problem with high school parties is the age range. I guess by the time kids are getting ready to go off to college, we do expect them to make their own decisions about such things (after all, you won't be there to give or withhold permission, or chaperone, when they're away). But I certainly do feel that it's totally reasonable for me to be checking things out at this stage. And even when she's older, there will almost certainly be younger teens at the same parties - so I'm not sure how I'll deal with that. Let your daughter know that at least some of us are still taking our parental responsibilities seriously. Anon.


I've got a girl sophmore at BHS, too, and while she's probably not as sociable as yours, my rules are exactly the same. Stick to them. At this age, ''EVERYONE'' gets to do EVERYTHING (how convenient!), but I seldom believe it. And parents who do go off and let the kids party unattended are just being irresponsible.

How about checking in with her friends' parents and getting their opinions, maybe make some agreements about how you'll manage your kids' socializing? It's always nice to have some peer support, and our girls need to know that their parents are wide awake and looking out for them, however much they protest it. Good luck. Melanie


Hi, I meant to write this last go-round re. the "unsupervised parties." I have some feelings about it as I find that the sexually active young women and their male partners are needing a place to do the experimental sexual stuff that young people do. We've had the problem of these people "sleeping over at our house" as a pretext for their connection. I've heard from one of the parental parties that "they've been sexually active but not regularly so I'm not worried." Well,,,it then becomes the responsibility of the host family to ride herd/supervise, whatever, those young people. I know it's a very tough issue to think clearly about/ sort out. My friends who were parents of HS young years ago met the other "subject parents" and made an agreement to provide a safe space for these kids to sleep together. I liked that so much as it honors the experiemental nature of the young people and their natural desire, honors the parents who are NOT party to this so really don't have any reason to host sexually active young people and makes sex something "speakable" in their families. If you think you might be one of the parents of a sexually active young person please consider my request. Thank you. Anonymous

What goes on at Teen Parties?

1999

As the recent, somewhat naive, hosts of an evening party for a group of middle schoolers, thought I should pass on a few tips I could have used beforehand. First, it is really important to be clear with your teen about the invitation process, i.e. keeping it very specific and discrete and creating a list for you to use in admitting people. Even then, think about how you plan to handle uninvited guests. Second, at the risk of underscoring my naivete, I'll pass on what may be obvious to everyone: hide and lock up all alcohol and all contents of medicine cabinets, unless it's o.k. w/you for people to consume these substances. Third, put away EVERYTHING you want to protect into a locked off area of your home (childproofing techniques, e.g. putting something high up or closing a door is mere "child's play" for a teen already well into his/her growth spurt and in a feisty, party mood). Fourth, don't expect to be able to control the movement and whereabouts of your guests. They have a tendancy to roam to do who knows what, & there is no way you can control what goes on beyond the confines of your home. Finally: hosting a teen party is not for the weak of heart and even the strong of heart need to have anywhere from 2 to many adults to help them (depending on the party's size). In the interest of space, I'll stop here, but am happy to correspond by e-mail w/any parent who would like to discuss party planning. The important P.S. is that despite the grim list above, my daughter had a great time and a great party and our home was unscathed. PPS: Corollary to #4 above is that I don't think we can hold hosting parents responsible for the behavior or even the whereabouts of our offspring during the course of a party. It is physically impossible for them, and we can only hope that each of our children has adequate judgment to keep out of harm's way.
Joan


Hooray for you - This sounds very much like the party my daughter was "invited" to last Saturday night by a friend of a friend of a friend. She decided not to go because she doesn't trust the party scene, even at fourteen. As it turned out, someone did spike the punch with rum and there was a lot of hanky-panky between boys and girls, even though the parents were on premises. I have been to one of those parties myself and the moment the parents leave the room, the kids do what they will do. I'm shocked that these kids are all so willing to be "bad." I personally will be keeping any parties either single gender or VERY parentized. My daughter kind of represents that most of her friends are from broken homes and not well supervised between the two homes. I was going to tell her she couldn't go just because I wasn't about to have her at someone's house I didn't know, driven there by another friend I didn't know well - I don't think so - but she made the decision herself and I told her I was really proud of her. I think parents communicating with each other is the best defense.
I am so glad Joan wrote in about her experience with teen parties. They are a big mystery to me! Perhaps others will shed more light. Here is what my 17-y-o BHS son tells me:
1. there is no such thing as an invitation. anyone can go to any party. if you heard about it, then you are invited. you just show up.
2. you will not find out where the party is, or who is giving it, until the day of the party. this is to prevent too many people from showing up.
3. we can never have a party at our house, since too many people will come and also they will steal things.
4. parents are never present at parties.
5. alcohol is always consumed at parties (but there are designated drivers (?!!).

Is this pretty much the situation? Does anyone know? Here is a recent quote: "I'm going to a party. I'll be home by 11. It's somewhere on ______ Street ( a nearby address). I don't know whose party it is - some kid from Head Royce. Everybody is going." Would you say OK to this?


Would I say OK to this?

NO!!!!!

"Party" is okay; "home by 11:00" is okay; "somewhere on ____ Street" is NOT okay--I want to know where my kids are and what the phone number is; "I don't know whose party" is definitely NOT okay. "Everybody is going"--that and a quarter will buy you an Examiner.


Regarding discussion of teen parties The short answer is no I wouldn't go for it. Our kid is only 13 so we've only been faced with this situation once so far. He asked to go to a party with "Johnny" a school friend we know pretty well. The party was to be at the house of a friend of Johnny's. We said it was possible -- who was the friend, what was the address, and phone number? And by the way we needed the phone number in advance to touch base with Johnny's parent, guardian whomever. After being told repeatedly at major decibel levels that we didn't understand, that to call someone's parents just wasn't done, etc., he dropped the whole thing. I don't know what our rules will be when he is 17, but for the next few years the rules are: we need to know where he is going and what adult supervision there is planned for the event. With that information we will decide whether he can go; without it the answer is an automatic no. I believe that there are a lot of other parents who support this type of responsible parenting; perhaps we can make that known somehow so the kids will know (before they have kids of their own) that this is a general norm not an aberration.
My 11th grade BHS son gives the exact same definition of parties. I don't let him attend. He says he's the only kid at BHS not allowed to attend such parties, and that his reputation at BHS and the local preppy high schools is a pair of four-letter words as a result. He's my third high schooler and my rule has always been parties are ok if adults are present the whole time, I am given a phone number where I can reach the parents and my kid at any time, and I can come in and physically meet the parents at the beginning of the party and any other time during the party's duration, and my kid must be home by midnight. I found this resulted in my kids choosing to attend parties which, while not drug and alcohol free as apparently no high school parties are, were less wild than some parties I heard about. I encourage other parents to have the courage to staff parties occurring in their own house, and not to let their kids attend unchaperoned parties. And the final party piece: although I always insisted my kids write down the name, address, parental names and phone number of the kid who was going to drive them home from the party, I also made clear I would always do a midnight pickup, uncomplainingly, if the designated driver was not sober; I made many of these pickups, and I drove home many girls whose parents didn't care if they walked alone across Berkeley at midnight. I think if we give our kids the message that we have rules not to control them but because we care about them, it only strengthens our relationship with them in the end.
Re: Teen Partying at homes unknown to you: I never let any of my 3 kids go to parties in homes where I didn't know the child or the family before my own were 16. After that, I decided case by case. By then I had a solid idea of what kinds of people and places and "fun" my kids were attracted to and could I decide based on whom they were going with. But they ALWAYS had a firm curfew (they are now all in college) and they honored it. They were allowed to negotiate for a later curfew for some events but that was rare...it had to be pretty special and I had to know all the details.

My biggest fear was always driving, whether it was my child or another. This past weekend one of my children "confessed" to me that when I used to give my speech to them as they were heading off in a car, that she knew she was supposed to act embarrassed in front of her friends but that she was grateful for the advice. The usual speech was: wear seat belts, don't distract the driver and DON'T have a party in car! All three of our kids, I'm grateful to say, survived both their dad and me AND the drives!

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