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Sept 2007
My 13 year old son would like to host a Halloween Party and invite 30+ friends-both
boys and girls. Of course my husband and I will be present the entire evening. There
will be food, music and dancing. My son had demonstrated very responsible behavior
and has never given us one reason to worry about the choices he makes. We like his
friends and he is very social. It's the other kids I worry about.
Should we allow him to host the party and if so, what kinds of activities should we
provide to keep the party on the straight and narrow. I'd love to hear from anyone
who has allowed (or not) their child to host their first boy/girl party. I'd also
appreciate any tips to keep party running smoothly.
Mom
I don't have advice specifically about activities for the
party but just wanted to advise you to make sure the party
has a definite ending time and that the kids' parents know
what the ending time is. We've had a couple of parties
that were supposed to end at a certain time and I still had
kids hanging around for hours after because they ''forget''
to tell their parents when to pick them up or their parents
couldn't come then or some other lame excuse. I don't mean
to sound like a party pooper, but believe me, the frantic
energy generated by groups of kids this age is exhausting
for grown-ups, and when this party is over you will want
them all to leave!
anon
My daughter had her first co-ed party for her 12th bday.
I said she had to invite about the same number of boys and
girls so it wouldn't be just a few boys (in her case).
I think 30 is too many. We had about 15.
Party was from 6-10. That was plenty long enough. I would
recommend 7-10.
We had lots of activities planned. They only did them for
about 5 minutes each, but it was helpful to have them,
because when I saw they seemed to be at loose ends I
introduced a new activity.
And of course for a while the girls danced and the boys watched.
We (parents) stayed in our bedroom and made periodic sweeps
through the party.
Everything went fine!
Good Luck!
June 2006
A few months ago, someone posted asking for information
about the Berkeley Police Dept's workshop on out-of-control
teen parties. I don't think anyone responded to that, but I
just came across an article published in Jan 2006 by the
Berkeley High School PTSA that gives an excellent account of
the magnitude of the problem, and what parents can do:
''Parents Need to Know the Risks of Weekend Teenage Parties''
March 2006
In last week's newsletter there was an item from the
Berkeley Police about a March 23 community forum on ''Teen
Parties''. I have been meaning to write to the newsletter
letting people know about my own experience. Our kids had an
unauthorized party at our house in February just one week
before the tragic teen party in North Berkeley where a
teenager was stabbed to death (see
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?archiveDate=02-17-06&storyID=23437).
It was very scary because it could have been our house. So I
wanted to let other parents know what happened at our house.
We went out of town for the weekend and left our two kids,
20 and 23, in charge. We knew from their Berkeley High days
that parents out of town often means party at your house,
where everyone is invited, invitations are word of mouth and
the door is open to anyone and everyone. But this time we
thought they were older, they are good kids and they could
be trusted. They promised no parties. What happened is they
did have a party. Kids showed up that they didn't know, and
things got out of control. There was a fight outside in the
front yard. They really didn't know how to deal with it. They told
us later that it never occurred to them to call the police. Someone could
have been hurt, thank God no one was. Things were stolen -
our cell phones and cameras and ipods. They paid us back out
of their meager funds, but I learned my lesson: next time I
don't leave them in the house by themselves no matter what.
Please be extra conservative about leaving your kids at
home alone. If you must leave them, ask a neighbor to check
in, and talk to your kids about what ''out of control'' means,
and what to do when that happens.
Still learning
March 2006
Community Forum on Teen Parties
The Berkeley Police Department, in conjunction with the
District 5 Berkeley City Council Office, is sponsoring a
community forum on Thursday, March 23 on the growing
concerns around teen parties:
- The social factors that lead to out-of-control teen events
- What teens can do if their party gets out of control
- Teen anxiety about calling the police. What will really
happen?
- What are parents’ responsibilities if they are not there?
- What can and should neighbors do if they suspect a large,
unsupervised teen party?
- How web sites, such as “My Space,” play a roll in
spreading the word.
The BPD will also be available to address concerns about the
February homicide on Contra Costa Ave.
The meeting will be Thursday, March 23, 7:00 pm to 8:30 pm
at the Northbrae Church Community Center, 941 The Alameda,
Berkeley. Available for questions will be representatives
from the Berkeley Police Department’s Community Services
Bureau and Homicide Division, and the City’s Mental Health
Division.
For information, call the BPD Area Coordinator, Officer
Nutterfield, at 981-5806, or the District 5 Council Office
at 981-7150.
Jill Martinucci, aide to Berkeley Councilmember, District 5
October 2005
Hello,
My daughter is turning 16 in a few weeks and has requested
a celebration with her friends. Part of this to include a
night in a hotel, where they would ''hang out''. The group
would consist of 3 boys and 4-5 girls. There are 4 teens
in this group that are dating. They would get 2 rooms. My
immediate reaction was absolutely not for all obvious
reasons. My daughter is trying to convince me that this is
ok, and that this would not be about sex and booze, ''they
can do that anyway, anytime, if they really want to''. I
continue to think that this is entirely inappropriate, way
too risky and a celebration that calls for supervision if
an overnight is involved. However, I would like to hear
other parents opinions as well as suggestions
for ''special'' 16th bday celebrations.
Thanks to all.
anonymous
I would definitely veto a coed sleepover. Our daughter
took a small group of friends rock climbing at Berkeley
Iron Works (981-9900) followed by dinner at a local
Japanese restaurant where they had a private room.
Everyone had a great time with no parents around!
anon
In response to the parent whose daughter wants an
unsupervised night in a hotel with her friends: Her
intentions may be innocent, but I for one would not let my
kid attend such a party, no way, no how, even though she is
as responsible as they come, and our family is pretty far on
the permissive side when it comes to things like sex and
alcohol. There are just too many ways it could go wrong,
despite the best of intentions. 16 isn't grown up, and this
is a very grown up idea your daughter has. Stick to a
special meal in a nice place--that doesn't need to be
supervised--and back home for hang out time. If she held
such a party, how many of her friends would be allowed to come?
anonymous
Your instincts are right on for a big NO to a coed party at a hotel for
a 16th
birthday party. This idea sounds like a set-up for failure. It seems to
be the
job description for a teen to make an outrageous request and call it normal,
just as it's our task to say nice try, and let's keep thinking of other
ways to
celebrate. One of my daughter's friends had a group of 4 or 5 girls go
with a
parent to the Claremont Hotel where they had a great time celebrating her
16th birthday. The kids spent much of the following day (Saturday) at that
fabulous and nicely heated pool and it was a wonderful celebration.
Anon
Stick to your guns, Anonymous. A coed party for 6-10
unsupervised teens? Absolutely, positively not. No. No
way. Your daughter may think it's not going to involve sex
and drinking, and there's a slight chance it won't, but you
are responsible for her and her guests, and Mommy, you can't
take the chance.
Sympathetic Mom
16-Year-Old Wants to Party in Hotel
I daresay you'll get plenty of responses saying this is a
bad idea. I just think it's a silly one, and would say so
if the party was girls-only as well. It's her 16th
birthday, not the second coming. When she's a grown-up,
your daughter may throw herself elaborate bashes, but it's
not her parents' job to give her the jet-set treatment.
(Did she perhaps get this idea from the increasingly
elaborate high school prom rituals and expenses?)
(Oh, well, they all try things on. My daughter had
elaborate plans, too, but ended up being content with pizza
at the joint down the street with 9 friends, cake at home,
a guest appearance by The Boyfriend, and 6 of the girls
staying overnight. Some people tell me this was incredibly
low-key, but everyone appeared to have a good time.)
Melanie
To the parent requesting advice on unsupervised 16th
birthday party in a hotel -- my advice is simply, ''no
way.'' I realise that answer isn't helpful, but it is rock
bottom. You think this is ''risky'' and ''entirely
inappropriate'' and you are absolutely right. There will
be many more birthdays and opportunities for your daughter
to have fun in a more grown up environment. There is no
reason to rush (and risk) at this stage. As mature as 16
years olds may be, they do not have depth and breath of
experience to handle whatever may come up in this
situation. Of course they could drink and have sex in
many other circumstances, but this arrangement would be
aiding, abetting and sanctioning that behavior. I
probably sound harsh to some parents but I feel strongly
that as adults with life experience it is important for
parents to hold the line to some extent.
Far from perfect, opinionated mother of 16 year old and 20 year old.
Best advice - NO! Save it for Senior Prom night when the kids are 18, or
closer to 18. As an aside, I know many teens watch MTV, and they have this
show, "My Super Sweet 16" -- it's too much to compete with a "reality" show
that is not a true reality.
- Anon
I think is pretty common nowadays although I wouldn't allow the co-ed
version. I let my daughter do this with Girls Only and I stayed across
the hall. I would say no way to boys coming and maybe she won't want to
do it at all. I also did it in SF so it wouldn't be that easy for
crashers to stop by or for them to sneak out somewhere. It was slightly
nerve racking for me and I had to remind them to quiet down in their
room a couple of times but the girls had a really great time swimming
and goofing around and LOVED the breakfast buffet in the morning.
I don't care how responsible and mature an individual
young person is. Put teens in a group without supervision,
even carefully selected teens with no party-crashers, and
you have a recipe for trouble. The parent who invented the
hotel-overnight party for highschoolers did the rest of us
no favors. I have heard of parties where the kids were in
one room and the adult chaperone in another. That seems
marginally better, especially if it's a single-sex party
and stays that way.
Alternate suggestion, depending on time of year:
Let your daughter organize a group day/evening event, with
no parents. The local pizza parlor may be too boring--
what about taking BART to an elegant restaurant in the
City or a concert at the Concord Pavilion or possibly an
event at the Coliseum? Depending on your budget, what
about flying down to Disneyland for the day? My own
feeling is that a group of 16 year olds ought to be okay
in those kind of public places. Alternatively, enlist her
best friend for a surprise party or sleepover (girls only)
and put some effort into the decoration and amenities.
Albany parent
HI,
My eldest daughter also will celebrate her 16th in a
couple of weeks.
My view on teen parties is that I will not take
responsibility for other's people children
regarding ''loaded'' issues. We can't control everything
they do or be everywhere seeing what they are doing, but I
can not have it, intentionally, on my watch.
I agree with your daughter that if kids want to drink and
have sex they can figure it out any day of the week. I
just wouldn't want the liability.
I had to kind of get my daughter excited about something
else besides her original idea of a co-ed slumber party.
My daughter is taking a co-ed group out for dinner at The
Elephant Bar. Some of my daughter's closest friends are
guys. Then we are having a girls-only slumber party in a
hotel suite which INCLUDES me and my 2 best girlfriends.
Me and mine will have our own room and the 6 girls will
have the living area and the other room. So we
will ''around'' but will go by the girls' lead as to whether
they want us in or out of the action. We are having 2
esthetician riends come to do manicures and pedicures.
She is having snacks, vidoes and crazy games. The big
surprise is that in the morning, we have make-up artists
and hairstylist coming to do them all up and they will
have a professional photo shoot for momentos. They are all
girly girls and love to go the mall and get photos done
all they time, so that should be fun.
All of the parents will receive, in addition to the
invites, a detail of what we are doing. If any of the
girls' moms want to come, they are so invited!
It's expensive, but our whole family is pitching in. We
are spending about the same as if she had a huge party.
She just wanted her closest best friends. We are taking
them in a limo from the restaurant to the suite in San
Francisco.
My daughter really got into the planning and I have to say
that I am looking forward to hanging out with my friends
too.
Just my opinion. Good luck and congrats on your daughter
turning sweet 16!!!
Mom of 16 yr old too!
To the parents wanting to know people's opinions about an
overnight unsupervised coed 16th birthday party in a hotel: I think
your immediate reaction was the right one (''absolutely not for all
the obvious reasons''). I am the parent of two teenage daughters
(16 and 19) and would have never agreed to this kind of a
celebration. Of course your daughter is trying to convince you that
this is not about sex and booze. And maybe it's not for her, but
that doesn't mean it's not for some of the other kids. And then
they're all in a difficult situation with no comfortable way out; hardly
the way she, or anyone else, should spend a birthday. And if she's
doing this for her 16th birthday, will all the others do the same, and
then it's lots of unsupervised parties in hotel rooms at the age of
16. I can only imagine what they'll be doing at 17, or 18!! For the
price of two hotel rooms, the group could go to Yoshi's on a
Sunday afternoon to listen to music, or out to a fun restaurant for
dinner and then a movie (think Bay Street perhaps). One of my
daughters had a 16th birthday barbeque at the beach, with soccer
and volleyball. The other invited her friends to our house and we
served a fancy dinner and all the kids wore dress up clothes. One
of my daughter's friends rented a banquet room in a hotel, hired a
d.j., bought a bunch of munchies, and had a party for 4 hours on a
Saturday night. Another took a bunch of kids to Santa Cruz for the
day. There's a lot of fun stuff to do. Hang in there--it only gets
more interesting!!
anonymous
I would go with your instincts on this and not allow a co-ed
hotel sleepover! Even though your daughter says sex and
drinking can happen elsewhere, you don't want to be in the
position of providing a venue for behavior that is against
your rules (or other parents' rules).
How about a party at your house and then just the girls
sleep over? I think it is much easier to supervise at your
house (without being in the same room all the time).
Or since it is a small group, a dressy dinner at a nice
restaurant?
I hope you can find an alternative that your daughter likes!
Deborah
This is for the parent that asked about ''Unsupervised 16th
Birthday Parties'' and having hotel rooms for a co-ed
party, and saying that they weren't sure if it was a good
idea and that their daughter was trying to convince them
to say yes.
I have been working with teens and their families for over
20 years, and most of the time my advice to parents is ''If
you feel uncomfortable with it, trust your gut and say NO''.
If for some reason your daughter convinces you to go
against your gut feelings, call the other kid's parents
and tell them what is happening. My guess is, most of
them weren't told that this was going to be unsupervised,
or maybe not even told at all!
With whatever you decide, remember that it's hard to keep
balancing wanting to keep teens safe but also giving them
some freedom without unnecessary risks.
Fran Wickner, Ph.D,, MFT
No way. I let my daughter
do this when she graduated high school and that was soon
enough. Be creative. Find a luau restaurant like Trader Vic
and suggest wearing Polynesian-inspired clothes; suggest
doing one of those night-time boats on the bay like the
Horner, etc. --
Let her have something to look forward to for graduation or
who knows what she will request...
anonymous
My gut reaction to your daughter's request for an
unsupervised overnite party at a hotel is ABSOLUTELY NOT.
No matter how ''good'' a kid she is, it's a green light for
drugs, alcohol, sex and irresponsible behavior. And, if I
were the parent of one of the other kids in attendance I
would not let my child go(if I were informed in advance
that it was unsupervised) and if I found out after the fact
that it was unsupervised I'd be irate. There are plenty of
options for celebrations.....nice dinners out for a group
of friends...comedy clubs, concerts (drop them off and pick
them up...there are venues that cater to under 21...no
alcohol in SF and East Bay)a day trip to Santa Cruz
boardwalk....anything but a nite in a hotel with friends.
You'd feel horrible, guilty and worse if anything bad
happened on your clock.
Good luck
PS-from my experience, you've got to be more than willing
to tolerate your kids' disappointment.
mom of 2 teenagers
Sept 2005
My pre-teen daughter is interested in hosting a murder mystery party
for Halloween. I've seen lots of ''kits'' available online but I don't know
how to tell which ones are good. Has anyone out there ever done this
sucessfully? Any recommendations on kits or formats? Any tips to make
sure everyone has fun?
Thanks for the help!
Needs A Clue
I've been to four or five (adult) murder mystery parties and
have always had a great time. My friend (who has hosted all
of the parties) finds the boxed versions at garage sales.
They've all been a little corny, some better than others,
sometimes the cornier the better. But, the quality of the
story doesn't seem to matter much. What has been great fun
is that people have worn costumes (sometimes just a ''hint''
of one), taken on an accent, and otherwise tried to get into
character. I don't think it's as much fun to be an observer
(i.e. more guests than characters in the script) but I have
done that too.
I found this link on-line which, though a little pricier
than a boxed version, sounds great. It would be helpful to
have someone else accomodate the number and gender of the
guests. (My friend would usually try to do this.)
http://www.host-a-murder.com/teen.html
Sounds like a great idea for a party for pre-teens. You
might want to have some costume props available for those
kids who might not otherwise get into it.
Have fun!
Sally
March 2005
I'm very concerned about teen parties that appear to take
place every weekend at Berkeley, Oakland and Piedmont homes
where parents are away. They seem to explode rapidly into
something very large and sometimes out of control, are
attended by many many kids unknown to the ''hosts'', and are
accompanied by lots of alcohol, marijuana and, I suspect,
yet more serious things. Is this a growing problem
generally, or is it a problem that I'm only now tumbling to
given my child's current high level of interest in
participation? In addition to monitoring our own
children's behavior and talking informally with other
parents, is there any coordinated community effort to
address this phenomenon? I welcome information, thoughts,
advice, etc. etc. Thanks, Bea
I graduated from Berkeley High in 1982. This party
desciption sounds exactly like the parties I started going
to (unbeknownst to my parents) in 1977. They were wild and
fun and super exciting, and my friends and I did a lot of
really stupid things. I think most of us recovered.
The best result: I got all the partying out of my system
by the time I was a senior at BHS. I had no desire
to ''party'' at UC and did much better than some of my dorm
mates who had had a more sheltered high school experience.
--Good luck
Editor Note: These very helpful tips are notes from a workshop given
to parents about parties and drinking by local therapist Michael Y. Simon, MFT,
Director of Counseling, Bentley Upper School
March 2005
I'm posting below some information from a workshop I give
on parties/drugs in high school. I hope this helps.
Options for Dealing with Parties/Drugs and Their Likely or
Hoped-For Consequences
Strategy 1: Doing Nothing or “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
Parents decide that there is nothing they can do and they
can’t control their child, who is on the way to
adulthood. The likely consequence though is that your
child will feel ignored and abandoned in someway and will
feel that the unspoken bond of trust has been betrayed,
since children usually expect their parents to watch out
for them and their safety, even if they rail against it.
What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. When you have to confront someone you care about,
the best strategy is to just ignore things and hope for
the best. They probably can’t do the right thing, even if
they know what it is.
2. It’s pointless trusting or consulting my parents
because they won’t get involved or will feel burdened
anyway.
Strategy 2: Doing Everything or “No @#$@ Way”
Parents decide that there is no way that they can trust
their child to do the right thing. They forbid party-
going and constantly check their child for drug and
alcohol use. The child must answer to every inquiry and
the parents verify every answer.
What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. I can’t be trusted to do anything on my own; I’m
untrustworthy and can’t mess up in order to learn.
2. I am not capable of taking responsibility in a
difficult situation. People think I shouldn’t have
choices, just limitations.
3. I’m still a child and need to be micro-managed or
I’ll be out of control.
4. I need to act like a kid, to prove my parents
right OR I need to be “hyper-adult” to prove I’m not a
child (and thus, may in fact get in over my head as I
attempt to take on too much adult responsibility).
Strategy 3: “Its All In Good Fun” or “I’m my teen’s best
friend!” strategy
Parents might smoke or drink or use drugs in the house or
might bond with their child by telling them about
their “good old days” in the 60s and 70s when they too got
busted by the cops or pulled over for drunk driving or
snuck out of the house and fooled their parents or had a
party when grandma and grandpa went away. The idea is
that this bonding will encourage the child to share
information about sex, drug use and parties and will keep
it all from becoming a big deal. Plus, if it goes on in
the house, they can keep an eye on it all, right?
What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. My parents may be more concerned with what I want
than what I need.
2. I can be trusted no matter what I do and my
parents are really my friends, so if I mess up, its not
such a big deal (and, consequently, I can’t really go to
them).
3. Something is wrong if someone close to me has more
power than I do.
4. The line between freedom and responsibility is
blurry and difficult to figure out, because there are
never really clear limits or boundaries around potentially
dangerous activities.
Strategy 4: The Subtle Intervention: “No Big Talks”
Parents decide that they will not do one “big”
intervention, but will try many, ongoing, “little”
interventions, and include a number of strategies like:
asking what the child thinks about the party/certain
aspects of drug use; catching their child
being “responsible” and subtly pointing it out or
expressing their appreciation for a hard decision, well
made; offer advice when it’s asked for but provide
conditional offers of help from time to time, or
providing “cover stories” to save face e.g.,
saying, “well, I’m still not totally okay about this party
thing, but if you find that things are getting out of
control tomorrow, let’s arrange a phone signal and I’ll
come pick you up someplace where no one can see me getting
you.”
What Longterm Lessons are Being Taught?
1. My parents still care and are available in a pinch
but they have some faith in me.
2. I’m trusted to come up with solutions on my own,
because they often ask me what I think, rather than tell
me what to do.
3. My intuition and “inner voice” is valued and
valuable as a source of decision-making.
4. Things are not out of my control—I have choices
and can get over the fear I have that I won’t be able to
do the right thing (apropos of the essay you heard
earlier).
Tips for Changing the Setting and Set Around Drug Use and
Parties
- No parties without communication with parental hosts (if
possible)
- Parent hosts send out notice/announcement via
parent listserv or email list (compiled outside of school)
notifying of time, date, knowledge of party, what they
know about drugs/alcohol and their feelings about it,
whether they’ll be there, etc.
- Parents adopt “risk management” and “risk reduction”
strategies around drug/alcohol use at parties
- Read about drug and alcohol use (especially Over
the Influence and Uppers, Downers and All-Arounders) and
be prepared to help your child help him/herself reduce the
risk associated with drug and alcohol use…because the
bottom line is that you cannot stop them from taking drugs
or going to a party unless they voluntarily agree to it OR
they are involuntarily confined and under 24-hour guard.
Know the effects of the drug of choice (e.g., that even
short-term alcohol use has now been shown to effect short-
and long-term memory retrieval ability in adolescents)
- Set consistent limits and let those limits be set
in conjunction with your kids—they get to have input, but
not veto power or “final say;” the older and more mature
the student, the more the input; the more successful
demonstration of responsibility, the more the leeway,
e.g., you don’t freak out when an otherwise responsible
teen is home 20 minutes late every once and a while
- Parents having a NQA or “Get out of jail free”
card where parents pick up their child and take them home,
any time, No Questions Asked (that night, anyway; it is
unreasonable to expect that parents won’t pursue the issue
when all participants are sober and awake and things have
calmed down)
- Parents being willing to be put on a “NQA” list
(no questions asked); they can be called on party night
and will pick up any child who needs a ride and would
otherwise be driving under the influence or would be in a
car with someone under the influence
- Align with Teachers (But Don’t Expect them to Parent)
As Mike Riera points out, in grade school, when
kids have problems, they go to their parents, teachers and
then friends, in that order. Teens reverse the order and
go first to friends, then teachers, and finally parents.
So it makes good sense to align with teachers because the
teachers often hear of struggles before you do. It’s not
about interrogating the teachers, though; it’s about
knowing the adults in your child’s life.
- Adopt a “Silence=Death” policy
This is a dramatic way of putting it, but the
point is, that you send the message that, “in our home, we
talk about drug, alcohol use and parties…no exceptions;
its on the table for discussion because we love you and
will help protect you and help you protect yourself.”
This doesn’t mean you interrogate your child or get into
every aspect of their business; it does mean that you will
ask questions respectfully and demonstrate your care,
regardless of whether they want it or it makes them
uncomfortable.
- Arm yourself with important information about legal
consequences:
Have knowledge that arrests and or citations can be made
for the following offenses and understand (and have your
child understand the consequences of each of this legal
interventions):
- Providing Alcohol to a Minor
- Sale of Alcohol Without a License (if money is charged for the party)
- Possession of Alcohol By A Minor
- Drunken Disorderly Conduct
- Driving Under the Influence
- Vandalization of property
- Irresponsible upkeep and improper garbage disposal
to the point where it becomes a health hazard or eyesore
(large parties with kegs/clean up)
- Understand that Parties are Opportunities to Help Your
Child Develop their Intuition/Conscience and Learn to Act
on Their Own Behalf (Make the right decisions, that are
truly their decisions)
- Understand that Freedom and Responsibility go together in
complicated ways.
Teens need freedom to learn the right choices and to
demonstrate their ability to respond well. And they need
the chance to mess up in order to learn to respond well.
Therefore, learning how to be responsible demands the
chance to misuse or misunderstand the freedom that you
grant to your teens. So, a logical but disconcerting
consequence of this is that teenagers’ screw-ups are not
necessarily reasons to curtail freedom, because this is
the necessary condition for learning. “Screw-ups” can be
occasions for teaching planning, stress management
techniques, “threat” assessment, failure analysis, and a
host of other important skills that can only be developed
through hindsight and new chances to demonstrate newly
incorporated information about what works and what
doesn’t. And you might have to give up some more of your
short-term freedom to teach them long-term responsibility.
Mike Riera tells us that teens maturity cycle includes
movement back and forth between “not enough
responsibility” and “too much freedom” in getting to the
goal of consistent responsibility in difficult
situations. Try to match “screw-ups” with the appropriate
amounts of freedom curtailing and new opportunities to
learn and demonstrate responsibility. Give them things to
do that they can be successful at, so that they can ramp
up again to try out their hard-won knowledge…which leads
to a final tip:
-
Remember that Teenagers Do Well on Things When They Are
Feeling Good. And Feeling Good About Oneself Comes from
Doing Well on Things.
One consequence of this information is that when your
child messes up, work with them on making the situation
right and learning from it, but try to help them (subtly
or not) find something they can succeed at. Not to point
too fine a point on it: If they fail by messing up, help
them succeed at fixing their mess…but don’t do it for them!
Michael Y. Simon, MFT
Director of Counseling, Bentley Upper School
Sept 2004
I am a parent of a very social 15 year old sophmore at
BHS. My daughter wants to be able to attend parties where
there are no adults present in the home. My rules have
been that there must be a parent in the house during the
party, and I need to have the name and phone number of the
parent of the kid that is hosting the party. My daughter
complains that I am way too strict and that lots of her
junior and senior friends have parties without parents in
the home all the time. I would like to hear from parents
of other high school age kids, (especially girls)
regarding your rules for party attendance.
We have a 13 year old girl and a 16 year old boy, and we
feel the same way you do. Absolutely no unsupervised
parties -- just too much potential for problems. By the
way, I lived with my boyfriend and his twin boys for 6
years, when they were age 15-21. We let them have parties
at 15, 16, 17, but we were around, mostly in our room but
with occasional passes through the house to check. Awfully
glad we were around, because these kids (nice kids, good
students, scouts, band, etc) just come up with DUMB
ideas... and the girls were certainly the instigators at
least 1/2 the time. Dumb ideas like let's go wander thru
the neighborhood, or let's dangle so-and-so over the
balcony. It seems like fun to them, because they are
KIDS. Parents have to be there or things can easily get
very risky.
Been There - Don't!
First of all, you should definitely read the previous
postings (including student perspective). I am also the
parent of a 15-y.o. (well, almost) girl, and I ALWAYS insist
on getting the address, phone number, and host's name for
any party being contemplated. I really do call the home,
introduce myself, and check that parents will be home
throughout the party. While I realize this is no guarantee
that ''nothing will happen'', I do want to verify that the
parents are aware of/approve of the party (as in, not out of
town), and to make them aware that at least one guest's
parent cares enought to check it out. My daughter insists
that I'm the only one who does this, but I tell her that
part of my job as her parent is to help assure her safety. I
think she knows that at least a few other parents do this,
too, although she wouldn't admit it. I also repeatedly
stress that she can call me for a ride at any time, if she
is in any way uncomfortable. I also make a point of
discussing my concerns with her every time (to her dismay,
but that's how I am). So far, she has been good about
calling me if she is going to be later than originally
planned. At this point, her ride home has always been with
either one of her parents, or another adult we know - never
kids.
Part of the problem with high school parties is the age
range. I guess by the time kids are getting ready to go off
to college, we do expect them to make their own decisions
about such things (after all, you won't be there to give or
withhold permission, or chaperone, when they're away). But
I certainly do feel that it's totally reasonable for me to
be checking things out at this stage. And even when she's
older, there will almost certainly be younger teens at the
same parties - so I'm not sure how I'll deal with that.
Let your daughter know that at least some of us are still
taking our parental responsibilities seriously.
Anon.
I've got a girl sophmore at BHS, too, and while she's
probably not as sociable as yours, my rules are exactly the
same. Stick to them. At this age, ''EVERYONE'' gets to do
EVERYTHING (how convenient!), but I seldom believe it. And
parents who do go off and let the kids party unattended are
just being irresponsible.
How about checking in with her friends' parents and getting
their opinions, maybe make some agreements about how you'll
manage your kids' socializing? It's always nice to have
some peer support, and our girls need to know that their
parents are wide awake and looking out for them, however
much they protest it.
Good luck.
Melanie
Hi,
I meant to write this last go-round re. the "unsupervised parties."
I have some feelings about it as I find that the sexually active young
women and their male partners are needing a place to do the experimental
sexual stuff that young people do. We've had the problem of these
people "sleeping over at our house" as a pretext for their connection.
I've heard from one of the parental parties that "they've been sexually
active but not regularly so I'm not worried." Well,,,it then becomes
the responsibility of the host family to ride herd/supervise, whatever,
those young people. I know it's a very tough issue to think clearly
about/ sort out. My friends who were parents of HS young years ago met
the other "subject parents" and made an agreement to provide a safe
space for these kids to sleep together. I liked that so much as it
honors the experiemental nature of the young people and their natural
desire, honors the parents who are NOT party to this so really don't
have any reason to host sexually active young people and makes sex
something "speakable" in their families. If you think you might be one
of the parents of a sexually active young person please consider my
request. Thank you.
Anonymous
What goes on at Teen Parties?
1999
As the recent, somewhat naive, hosts of an evening party for a group of
middle schoolers, thought I should pass on a few tips I could have used
beforehand. First, it is really important to be clear with your teen
about the invitation process, i.e. keeping it very specific and discrete
and creating a list for you to use in admitting people. Even then,
think about how you plan to handle uninvited guests. Second, at the
risk of underscoring my naivete, I'll pass on what may be obvious to
everyone: hide and lock up all alcohol and all contents of medicine
cabinets, unless it's o.k. w/you for people to consume these
substances. Third, put away EVERYTHING you want to protect into a
locked off area of your home (childproofing techniques, e.g. putting
something high up or closing a door is mere "child's play" for a teen
already well into his/her growth spurt and in a feisty, party mood).
Fourth, don't expect to be able to control the movement and whereabouts
of your guests. They have a tendancy to roam to do who knows what, &
there is no way you can control what goes on beyond the confines of your
home. Finally: hosting a teen party is not for the weak of heart and
even the strong of heart need to have anywhere from 2 to many adults to
help them (depending on the party's size). In the interest of space,
I'll stop here, but am happy to correspond by e-mail w/any parent who
would like to discuss party planning. The important P.S. is that
despite the grim list above, my daughter had a great time and a great
party and our home was unscathed. PPS: Corollary to #4 above is that I
don't think we can hold hosting parents responsible for the behavior or
even the whereabouts of our offspring during the course of a party. It
is physically impossible for them, and we can only hope that each of our
children has adequate judgment to keep out of harm's way.
Joan
Hooray for you - This sounds very much like the party my daughter was
"invited" to last Saturday night by a friend of a friend of a friend.
She decided not to go because she doesn't trust the party scene, even at
fourteen. As it turned out, someone did spike the punch with rum and
there was a lot of hanky-panky between boys and girls, even though the
parents were on premises. I have been to one of those parties myself
and the moment the parents leave the room, the kids do what they will
do. I'm shocked that these kids are all so willing to be "bad." I
personally will be keeping any parties either single gender or VERY
parentized. My daughter kind of represents that most of her friends are
from broken homes and not well supervised between the two homes. I was
going to tell her she couldn't go just because I wasn't about to have
her at someone's house I didn't know, driven there by another friend I
didn't know well - I don't think so - but she made the decision herself
and I told her I was really proud of her. I think parents communicating
with each other is the best defense.
I am so glad Joan wrote in about her experience with teen
parties. They are a big mystery to me! Perhaps others will shed more
light. Here is what my 17-y-o BHS son tells me:
1. there is no such thing as an invitation. anyone can go to any
party. if you heard about it, then you are invited. you just show up.
2. you will not find out where the party is, or who is giving it,
until the day of the party. this is to prevent too many people from
showing up.
3. we can never have a party at our house, since too many people will
come and also they will steal things.
4. parents are never present at parties.
5. alcohol is always consumed at parties (but there are designated
drivers (?!!).
Is this pretty much the situation? Does anyone know?
Here is a recent quote: "I'm going to a party. I'll be home by 11. It's
somewhere on ______ Street ( a nearby address). I don't know whose party
it is - some kid from Head Royce. Everybody is going."
Would you say OK to this?
Would I say OK to this?
NO!!!!!
"Party" is okay; "home by 11:00" is okay; "somewhere on ____ Street" is
NOT okay--I want to know where my kids are and what the phone number is;
"I don't know whose party" is definitely NOT okay. "Everybody is
going"--that and a quarter will buy you an Examiner.
Regarding discussion of teen parties
The short answer is no I wouldn't go for it. Our kid is only 13 so
we've only been faced with this situation once so far. He asked to go
to a party with "Johnny" a school friend we know pretty well. The party
was to be at the house of a friend of Johnny's. We said it was possible
-- who was the friend, what was the address, and phone number? And by
the way we needed the phone number in advance to touch base with
Johnny's parent, guardian whomever. After being told repeatedly at
major decibel levels that we didn't understand, that to call someone's
parents just wasn't done, etc., he dropped the whole thing. I don't
know what our rules will be when he is 17, but for the next few years
the rules are: we need to know where he is going and what adult
supervision there is planned for the event. With that information we
will decide whether he can go; without it the answer is an automatic
no. I believe that there are a lot of other parents who support this
type of responsible parenting; perhaps we can make that known somehow so
the kids will know (before they have kids of their own) that this is a
general norm not an
aberration.
My 11th grade BHS son gives the exact same definition of parties. I
don't let him attend. He says he's the only kid at BHS not allowed to
attend such parties, and that his reputation at BHS and the local preppy
high schools is a pair of four-letter words as a result. He's my third
high schooler and my rule has always been parties are ok if adults are
present the whole time, I am given a phone number where I can reach the
parents and my kid at any time, and I can come in and physically meet
the parents at the beginning of the party and any other time during the
party's duration, and my kid must be home by midnight. I found this
resulted in my kids choosing to attend parties which, while not drug and
alcohol free as apparently no high school parties are, were less wild
than some parties I heard about. I encourage other parents to have the
courage to staff parties occurring in their own house, and not to let
their kids attend unchaperoned parties. And the final party piece:
although I always insisted my kids write down the name, address,
parental names and phone number of the kid who was going to drive them
home from the party, I also made clear I would always do a midnight
pickup, uncomplainingly, if the designated driver was not sober; I made
many of these pickups, and I drove home many girls whose parents didn't
care if they walked alone across Berkeley at midnight. I think if we
give our kids the message that we have rules not to control them but
because we care about them, it only strengthens our relationship with
them in the end.
Re: Teen Partying at homes unknown to you: I never let any of my 3 kids
go to parties in homes where I didn't know the child or the family
before my own were 16. After that, I decided case by case. By then I
had a solid idea of what kinds of people and places and "fun" my kids
were attracted to and could I decide based on whom they were going
with. But they ALWAYS had a firm curfew (they are now all in college)
and they honored it. They were allowed to negotiate for a later curfew
for some events but that was rare...it had to be pretty special and I
had to know all the details.
My biggest fear was always driving, whether it was my child or another.
This past weekend one of my children "confessed" to me that when I used
to give my speech to them as they were heading off in a car, that she
knew she was supposed to act embarrassed in front of her friends but
that she was grateful for the advice. The usual speech was: wear seat
belts, don't distract the driver and DON'T have a party in car! All
three of our kids, I'm grateful to say, survived both their dad and me
AND the drives!
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