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What are the Boyfriend's Parents Responsible for?
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(Editor Note: This followed on a discussion about Prom Night
I feel compelled to write again because I have had so many thoughts since I
wrote the first letter which initiated all of this conversation about hotel
rooms and prom night. After speaking with numerous parents about this issue,
most of whom are parents of boys, I want to turn the conversation to what our
responsibilities are, as parents of boys, when our boys start dating,
particularly when they are dating younger girls (which is usually the case).
Perhaps it would be useful to have the conversation outside the events of
Prom Night, so that it is less personalized. I would like to hear from
other parents about how they handle these issues. I don't want to perpetuate
what I grew up with--a "boys will be boys" atmosphere in which it was the job
of a girl and her parents to be sure the girl takes care of herself. I would
like to create an environment in which we care about everyone's child as if
that child were our own. I know this sounds "Pollyanna-ish". Somehow,
though, what I would like to see is that we create an community in which
parents of boys feel responsible for the girls their sons date as if those
girls were their daughters. I wonder how other parents feel about this
issue, and would welcome a dialogue about this.
To the parent who wondered if other parents of boys were feeling
responsible for the girls that their sons date: Yes! Here's a story from
our family. A month or so ago my son's girlfriend (just turned 16) invited
him to a Rave. She had purchased the tickets online, and had been to one
before (without him). He had never been to one before. First we discussed
this Rave business, then (having been convinced by the teenagers that they
would behave responsibly there), we discussed logistics. The stated time
for this event was from 8 pm Sunday night to 4 am Monday, and the location
was a mystery until about an hour before it began. My son (recently 18) had
not yet taken his driver's license test. He and the girl were thinking they
could meet at the BART station, take BART to close to the event and walk
the rest of the way. Then walk back to the BART, she'd proceed to San
Francisco alone, and he'd take the trains to El Cerrito. As you can
imagine, my husband and I did not think much of this plan! We told my son
that no way was he going to walk around at night in an unknown location
with a young woman, much less leave her on her own to get back home. And
incidentally, the early morning was a Monday holiday, with BART trains on
holiday schedule.
We made arrangements with the girl's parents to drive the kids to the
place, and to drive them home to our place where she could sleep the rest
of the night in our guest room before returning home with her mother as
chauffeur the next day. The complications were numerous: we were attending
a special 50th birthday party that same night, the girl forgot her ticket
and had to return home to get it (via BART), my son forgot his ID and had
to be driven home to retrieve it, my husband spent the party on the cell
phone and driving around in circles, we got an hour or two of sleep before
waking up to make the return trip. But it was worth it for the peace of
mind! The girl's mother and father really appreciated our efforts, and I
think the teenagers realized that good planning is not a deterrent to
having a good time. We loosened up a bit about Raves, and what parent
doesn't remember that music and dancing are essential to life?
Bonnie
I was so happy to see this come up -- right to the point where the
(anonymous) author postulated that a society "in which we care about
everyone's child as if that child were our own" might be contrued as
"Pollyanna-ish."
This current generation is the first in which outside perceptions of
appropriate parental behavior carry any weight or importance
whatsoever. CARING WHAT OTHERS THINK is part of what we do most
poorly by our kids. In a diverse and multi-cultural society the
boundaries of appropriate behavior are different for different
families, but there still MUST BE BOUNDARIES. Please don't assume
there AREN'T because you don't want to be perceived as naive or
Pollyanna-ish.
In a "village" where rules are different in different homes the
logical consequence would be MORE talk between parents, and an
understanding that OUR morals (mine and those of my child) are LIKELY
not to be YOUR morals (you and your child). When in doubt -- the
"highest" or most conservative boundaries rule until a discussion can
be had. If you can't bring yourself to ask me honestly if I'd mind my
child participating in an activity, the default decision must be NOT
to include my child in the activity. I don't assume to know your
rules, please don't assume you know mine. If your child can't give
you enough information (phone number) for the two of us to speak,
please, assume s/he KNOWS I'll object.
At the risk of ending my (12 year-old) daughter's dating career
before it starts -- if I found out an older boy took my daughter to
a hotel (after the prom or any other times) without the full
knowledge and consent of all parents involved... I'd consider
pressing charges for statutory rape, unless I could find something
more serious -- kidnapping might be useful or conspiracy to commit
kidnapping (the parents are the ones I'd really like locked up). If
the roles were reversed, I'd expect you to do the same... even tho'
my expectation without our real conversation is dangerous.
In exchange for your consideration, I can assure you that I will try
NOT to let anything happen to your child that would make you want to
put me or my child in jail. Is that fair?
Heather
In response to the e-mail from a parent regarding the discussion about prom
night and hotel rooms, and wanting to go beyond the "boys will be boys"
mentality. I have an 18-year-old boy and a 16-year-old girl so I can see
this issue from both sides of the fence. More importantly, I have had frank
discussions about sex and sexuality with my children since they were young.
Not that I had anticipated telling my children about sex, or even homosexual
sex, at the ages of 6 and 8, but being forced to come to grips with the fact
that our children are exposed to issues I know I never was even as a
teenager. This came out of watching the Ryan White story and trying to
explain AIDS and consequently, homosexuality. I was VERY uncomfortable but
it made me take a good hard look at what my children were dealing with.
I've talked to both my children about sex and responsibility and the
differences in meaning of a sexual relationship for a teenage boy and girl.
With my son's first girlfriend, I talked to him about the emotional
ramifications for both of them about having sex. Since she was a regular
visitor at our house and we were relatively comfortable with each other, I
also talked to her about protection and responsibility, especially since I
knew her situation at home (her father was abusive). This was a girl who,
because of remarks she made, I thought was in danger of intentionally
becoming pregnant to remove herself from her family and ensconce herself in
ours. Because her mother refused to even talk about things, I took them to
Planned Parenthood so she could get a check-up and they could get birth
control. I also talked with my son about the need to use condoms EVERY TIME
regardless of whether his girlfriend was on the Pill; that if he was going
to participate he had to share the burden of responsibility. We talked
about in detail what it would be like for him to be a father at the age of
16.
I have approached it much the same way with my daughter, talking with her at
length about the emotional ramifications, not just the physical
possibilities of pregnancy and STDs. None of this has been easy for me, at
times it's quite difficult. But I think it is VERY important for us as
parents not to consider teenage boys' and sex as "boys will be boys," which
I consider to be turning a blind eye that would be wide open if their son
was female. Yes, our kids hear lectures on sex and responsibility in their
sex ed classes, but they also learn it from their parents' actions and
reactions. A "boys will be boys" wave of the hand is an implicit condoning
of their actions by their parents. Children learn how to assume
responsibility based upon what they see as well as what they hear.
I am the mother of a 15 1/2 year old daughter (and a 6 year old son). She
has been interested in and involved with boys for the last 3 years or so but
until recently that seemed to mostly involve talking on the phone and
hanging out together at school. Within the last 6 months she has started to
take a more serious interest in the boys she dates and we are on to the
second boyfriend she is serious enough about to bring home. Though she is
more serious than she was in the past she is clear that at 15 there is no
rush to get heavily involved or committed. She is well educated about sex
and all the precautions she should take if she decides to be sexual. We
have also talked about the emotional aspects of sexual involvement. My
suggestion to her was that until she and her potential partner felt
comfortable having a frank discussion about safe sex and pregnancy
prevention that they were probably not ready to be having sex. If she
actually follows that rule of thumb she'll be a virgin into her 30's - how
many adults really feel comfortable with this type of discussion - but it is
food for thought for her.
My goal for her is not that she abstain from sexual activity because of
moral beliefs, instead I want her to wait until she is old enough to be
enriched by her experiences not overwhelmed or degraded by them. With that
in mind, we try to provide the limits that help her be safe from doing
something she isn't ready for. Our rules are that she may not be inside
anyone's house with boys if there are no adults home, and that if she has a
boy over at our house that they may be in her room but the door must stay open
(her room is right off the main hallway). She, of course, tells us that
these are unreasonable and that NONE of her friends' parents are sooooo
strict! Since we are not supervising her every minute it is likely that she
does not always follow the rules but they are there for her to help her
modulate what situations are and are not comfortable for her. And if we
find out that the rules have been violated we ground her, and I swear there
are times it seems she deliberately creates a situation where she will get
grounded because she needs some time to regroup and can't take it for
herself.
Recently I spoke with her new boyfriend's mother and I unfortunately felt
like she was not interested in discussing supervision issues with me.
Beyond agreeing to my supervision request there was no discussion or
discourse. I think it is imperative that parents of dating teens try to
have some discussion about what the expectations are and to make sure that
the kids know what the parents have discussed. I think that this is exactly
what our daughters and sons need from us to create an atmosphere of mutual
respect and to help them resist social pressures. By discussing with each
other and our young adults the realities of sex, romance, peer pressure, and
choice making, we model the kind of respectful communication that we hope
they will bring into all their relationships, and we bring these issues out
of the fantasy realm of Dawson's Creek into the realistic world that they
inhabit.
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