Nov 2011
My son will most likely be attending a private high school (although
we are looking at two charter high schools as well) next school
year. He currently goes to a middle school in Berkeley and is zoned
in for Berkeley High. However, we have decided not to send him -- he
is not used to such a huge school (has always been in small schools)
and thrives when he is in smaller class sizes. We are also concerned
about the safety of students in Berkeley High, class sizes,
academics, etc.
- Is there a way on making the public to private school transition
easier for him? He knows he won't be attending BHS next year, and is
not very happy with the idea, as he thinks he won't be able to talk
or hang out with his friends anymore. Is there someway we can assure
him that he'll still be able to spend time with them?
Thank you!
-family switching from public to private
Your son will lose touch with old friends unless they are
really close now. I think most kids make new friends in high
school as they transition from being children to young adults
and redefine themselves. Most kids make new friends going
from middle to high school, don't they? Quite simply, he
most likely won't have time for his new friends and to hang
with his old friends. And his new friends likely won't want
to hang out with his old friends. Also, my limited
experience is that a lot of public school kids resent/don't
like the private school kids. You make choices, you live
with the consequences.
BHS Grad and Dad
My sons' transition into a private high school was made
easier by participation with sports teams. The sports at his
school encourage participation and many of the teams have
summer leagues or other activities where incoming freshman
are welcome. You can contact coaches directly by email.
Ellen
Sept 2008
We have two boys, one of whom is in second grade at Thousand Oaks
and one who will start kindergarten next year. Our sons
kindergarten year was great at Thousand Oaks, but about 1/2 way
through last year, we started feeling dissatisfied with our sons
experience at Thousand Oaks (academically, socially, multiple
reasons). We are considering sending our second son to a private
school (Prospect Sierra, if possible)and also transfering our
older son to this school as well at the start of next year (3rd
grade). I am curious what other parent's experience has been in
terms of how easy it is to transfer into private schools if you
wait until the 3rd or 4th grade- both how your childs experience
is and how easy it was to be accepted as a transfer into the
private school of your choice?
Thanks,
-Anon
The answer is that it depends. If you son is trying to get into
a certain grade, it will depend on whether that grade is fully
enrolled at that school, and whether there are openings because
of current students moving or changing schools. The school will
also look at your child and how he will fit into that particular
class of kids (i.e., is he a quiet, bookish boy who would nicely
balance out a class that has an abundance of very active kids?
Race, gender and other diversity factors also make a difference
at some schools.) It will also depend on whether you are seeking
tuition assistance and if the school's budget will allow it to
support another student on TA. Don't take it personally if you
child doesn't get in. Sometimes you have to persist for a few
years before there is a spot available. You should probably not
set your hopes on one school being able to accommodate both of
your boys, and look at a number of options.
As for the adjustment issue, I transferred my son from Berkeley
public to a private school when he was in 3rd grade. He wasn't
very happy about moving schools at the time because he liked his
school. But even though it was hard to do, I think it was the
right decision because the private school was better able to
serve him academically. He eventually adjusted, and I was also
glad that since the school is K-8, he didn't have to make another
switch at middle school. These are hard choices to make. Good
luck.
anon
I can't speak directly to Prospect Sierra but my son attends a
private school that has a somewhat similar admissions profile, I
think, and each year there are a few students who transfer in at
the lower grades from other schools, both public and private.
There is attrition from people leaving due to family moves, or
other reasons. Each year from first grade onward there have been
a couple of ''new kids'' and it is amazing how even in a close
school community how quickly the newness wears off and they fit
right in! At our school the admissions director would happily
put you in touch with a family new to the school so you could
chat directly about your concerns and their experiences. If you
would like to email me off list ask the moderator for my contact
info.
Good luck!
April 2007
I would like to have the opinion of parents who opted to
transfer their child from public to private schools and vice
versa. Any regret or, at the contrary, satisfaction ? I am
considering to have my child start 6th grade in a private
school next year after he was in a elementary public school in
Berkeley, but I am still hesitating. Thanks for any relevant
experience in this matter.
We are about to make the switch from years and years of private schools
(in
different parts of the country due to moves) to public. Two pieces of
advice I can
offer from all my experience is that 1)- you don't necessarily get what
you pay for
as my expectations were high and I always found that accountability was
negligible
in terms of the administration caring whether you were a satisfied
customer or
not. 2)- it's all about the teachers. So, I would try as hard as
possible to meet the
teachers and talk to them at length. Also, curriculum is all over the
map in private
school. We never felt like there was enough coverage of the basics in
private school.
anon
March 2007
My daughter is currently enrolled in a public school but will be
switching to a private school next year. She's not making this change
at a standard entry year, such as kindergarten or middle school. What
kind of transitional issues should I be aware of, and what questions
should I ask of her new school before she begins in September? I'd
love to hear from other parents who have transitioned from public to
private about their experiences and any suggestions they may have
about making this a smooth change. What do you wish you had known, and
how do you suggest I prepare? We're very excited to be joining this
new school and want to do what we can to have a wonderful experience
from the start. Thanks, parents!
anon
I would say that you should be optimistic, but also realistic:
every school has its plusses and minuses, and you may be very
happy with most aspects of the new school, while still finding
yourself missing aspects of the old school. We changed to a
private school for 5th grade after K-4 in public school. We had
had some problems at public school that the private school did
solve, but the private school had some problems that we did not
anticipate. On the plus side, the atmosphere was calmer and less
chaotic, class size was smaller, and my child seemed more content
at first. He had no problems making new friends. He had attended
the new school's summer session before he started so it was
familiar by September. On the minus side, the school had taught a
foreign language since kindergarten and my child had never had a
foreign language. The new school made no provision for him to
catch up - we were on our own! Rules about behavior and dress at
the new school were much, much stricter, something I had not
expected. The academics at the new school were much more
demanding than in public school - homework took 5 or more hours a
night. We knew there would be more work, but we were unprepared
for how much more. Other kids who'd been at the school since K
were used to the work and had made changes years before to
accommodate it. A big surprise for me was that there was little
flexibility in teaching style or in teacher's expectations -
every kid needed to function at the same level, different from
public school. Finally, the insular environment that we had
actually sought out in this private school, proved too stifling
for my kid. We fully expected to have a wonderful experience at
the school, and we did for the first few weeks, but after the
initial honeymoon period, the minuses began to outweigh the
plusses and we returned to public school the next year. The
school was simply a bad fit for my child. So, just be aware that
you may not like EVERYthing, but hopefully the plusses will
outweigh the minuses!
Mixed results
I am happy to say we had a very smooth transition from public
to private school this past year. Our two daughters began third
grade and fifth grade at a private school this year after
attending public school since kindergarten. We also enrolled
our kindergartner. We have been very happy with the smaller
class sizes and higher teacher to student ratios. The homework
takes the same amount of time as at the public school, but the
difference is our daughters know what they is doing and can
work independently. The homework assignments are also
interesting and meaningful. We are happy there is no homework
in kindergarten, unlike the public school. Our kids are all
very excited and happy about school now. The school did a
wonderful job supporting us in making the transition. The
teachers looked at each child's individual needs and brought in
the resource specialists right away in areas where they needed
to bridge a gap. The teachers were always approachable and
available through email to answer our questions. They had
useful suggestions on how we could help at home. The best
surprise in our move was the very welcoming and friendly school
community. The students are taught beginning in kindergarten
the value of community and working with others. The school
creates buddy pairs and families made up of teachers and
students from each grade level to promote students getting to
know others throughout the school. Our children cherish this
special time for buddy and family activities at school. In this
environment, the students in third and fifth grade were very
open and welcoming to us. The girls quickly made new friends
and felt part of the class. As you prepare for your transition,
I recommend getting involved as a family in your new school
community by attending school events and getting together with
families at the school. Still make it a priority to maintain
your child’s friendships from the public school. Also, partner
with your child's teacher to ensure everyone is doing what is
needed to support your student to make a successful transition.
Good luck!
Prospect Sierra Parent
Jan 2007
We are considering switching our daughter to a private school
after this year (she is currently in Kindergarten). We did open
enrollment and she is in a decent public school in North Oakland.
While this school has good arts and music programs, we are
concerned about the overall quality of the curriculum- a lot of
open-court, inability to differentiate instruction based on
different learning levels, homework at Kindergarten (lots of it),
too many worksheets,a focus on teaching to the test, an emphasis
on extrinsic rewards for learning and a shift in our daughter's
attitude towards school and learning. Our child has always been
a very intellectually curious person and loved going to
pre-school. She is complaining of being bored at school and she
is starting to view school and homework as a chore. I've also
noticed a shift in her attitude toward trying things she doesn't
know how to do (if she can't get it perfect, she doesn't want to
do it). I've read the previous postings on the network. This is
my challenge, I fundamentally disagree with the curriculum and
instructional philosophy being implemented at my daughter's
school. While socially she is very happy there, I am concerned
about this shift in attitude. Am I over-reacting? Should I just
suck it up and be happy that we have a somewhat decent, free
public school. Or, is dissasisfaction with the educational
philosophy (i.e. open court, worksheets, extrinsic rewards)
enough reason to go private? I am particularly interested in
hearing from parents who have done this shift from public to
private. Thanks.
Anon
For what its worth, here is my own experience: We also strongly
considered switching our son to private school after
kindergarten because he was not excited about going, and often
when I asked him about the activities at school he said they
were ''boring''. We decided to wait it out - now he is in first
grade, and he is much happier. I think the main differences
are that now he goes for a full day, not just a three hour
kindergarten, so he has recess and lunch periods to play with
the other kids and make friends. He also gets to do the art,
music, and PE programs (kindergarten doesn't get those).
Another thing that helps is that his first grade teacher allows
a lot of independent activities and choices, which is great for
my son's personality, whereas in kindergarten almost everything
was done in groups. So we are going to stick with public for
now, as it seems to be working out.
Just my 2 cents
I started my son in a private school, but thought I'd reply
because I shared a number of your concerns last year. To start,
I want to tell you some of the best advice I got about elemntary
school as a whole: while looking at schools, both public and
private, I told a friend with older kids that I just wanted to
find an elementary school I loved as much as I loved my son's
preschool. ''Oh, you won't,'' my friend told me bluntly. ''Both
you and your child engage in preschool in a different way than
you will in elementary school.'' I find that to be true. But I
also think you can like your kid's elementary school a whole lot,
and feel that he or she is in the right place.
Your post sounds like you think your daughter's school might not
be the best for either of you. The things you mentioned as
concerns are real and valid, and I don't think you'll feel
settled until you look at and weigh the options.
In a private school, chances are your daughter will get an
education that is not ''teaching to the test,'' and not workbook
based (however, there are some elementary schools that use the
Open Court workbooks). Teachers have different requirements at a
private school, and often few kids per class, or more help in the
classroom. That means that the kids tend to get more individual
attention. Also, most private schools know a lot about learning
differences, and even if schools don't have learning specialists
on staff, teachers are often given the resources to work on more
individual plans with kids.
However, all this comes at a cost. Tuition is a fact of private
schools, and even with financial aid it's not easy. Be aware,
also, that tuition is just the biggest part of the cost, there's
also volunteer hours, annual giving, fundraising, field trips,
t-shirts, gifts for teachers, etc.
Some people say that they can understand paying for part of their
kids' education, but not all of it. Often people think middle
school or high school is more important than grade school. I
think that the first years of learning set up a pattern for later
years. Disengagement in kindergarten is a big red flag for me.
Yes, kindergarten is different and often harder than preschool.
My son feels it too. But he has never said he felt bored. I
believe that the good habits and attitudes and the love of
learning he is developing now will last his whole life time.
You are going to have to weigh your dissatisfaction with public
school and the costs of private school. But before you even
start looking at private schools, decide if you can afford it. If
you have more than one child, decide if you can afford to send
them all to private school. If you can't, try to somehow make
your daughter's experience in her current school better. Because
you might find it really hard to look private school and then
turn away.
berkeley parent
I think the issue is not only your disagreement with the
philosophy/curriculum of her school, it is also that she is
already looking at school (the learning aspect at least) in a
negative way in Kindergarden! I agree with your concerns about
her school and think you are right to consider private school.
As a product of public schools it saddens me to see them turn
someone who was intellectually curious and make them dislike
school. (Not to put all the blame on the individual schools,
there are many great teachers and administrators, but with No
Child Left Behind, they have huge pressures on them leading to
messed up education.) We feared what you describe when we were
looking for schools for our child and decided on private
school. We and our kid have been very happy with our choice
(Aurora). There is a wide variety of private schools in the
East Bay. I encourage you to check them out.
Happy Mom Happy Kid
I feel for you sister! I don't have an answer but I feel
somewhat in the same boat--mostly about the homework (although
we can't afford private school at this time, so it is more
about how to adjust). Have you actually been in the classroom?
What I have seen in our school, in K anyway: the teacher is
extremely creative with open court, and supplements it with
more interesting ''writer's workshop'' type activities. Her
approach to the curriculum makes sense to me--she seems to have
a range of different type activities, some pretty basic (and
some of which my daughter needs) and some more creative, higher
level (also some of which my daughter needs). Yeah, it is HARD
to get on board with the worksheets, but I try to look at the
big picture which is: for some kids this really is all they
get, they are not coming from literacy rich environments, and
skill drills are probably helpful. (and frankly, the homework
is the similar to the crap I had in elementary school and at
times I loved it, when I didnt I survived!) Also, in the big
picture: my daughter gets tons of informal and
formal ''enrichment'' by being a child of liberal, middle class
parents who care (desperately?) about her education. Also,
having taken the PSAT, SAT, GRE, LSAT, gone to law school, and
taken the cal bar etc--I have had to do plenty of ''studying for
the test'' so it is not the worst skill to acquire, along with
an earnest love of learning!
Making the best of a good school in the OUSD
You and your daughter, like many others, have be subjected to the
trials and
troubles of the American public school system. It is not in a good
state right now. I
would not consider a school that is robbing your daughter of her love
of learning
decent. If you can find a private school that fits her better, and can
afford it, I would
do it. She spends at least half her waking hours in school, and it
should be a place
where she can explore, discover, and learn. If she is not getting that
at her currant
school, I would suggest a move as soon as possible, before it further
infringes upon
her life. I'm sorry if I'm sonding a little melodramatic, but few
people realize what
the 'teaching to a test' school system can do to kids, and it really
worries me. If you
can, I would get your daughter out of there.
Mark
You are absolutely not overreacting. I have the same set of concerns
that you have. My son, who loved his play-based preschool, and has
loved learning of all kinds, hates Kindergarten (also at one of the
''good'' Oakland schools) and has told me so many times. He refuses
to even attempt to read or write most of the time, and gets angry if I
suggest it. I also am strongly considering a shift to private school.
What OUSD is doing is wrong, and there is plenty of research to back
me up in suggesting this. And there is plenty of research, too,
showing that child's attitude toward learning is of vital importance.
Karen
I don't have any advice for you about whether you should change to
private school or stay in public school, but if you do decide to
change, I can tell you this: most private schools will have very few
or no openings at the first grade level. If you do find a private
school that has a lot of openings, you should take a good look at it,
because there might be a reason why, and that reason might mean that
your current school is a better option for now. I changed my child
from public to private in fourth grade, and the only school that I could
get him in to turned out to be really dreadful, and he was back into the
public school the next year. Hate to be all doom and gloom, but this is
a real possibility of enrolling in private schools outside of the usual
entry points. There are exceptions of course, but they are rare.
a mom
I wanted to respond to one of the previous posts to this
question. It was stated that it's hard to switch to private
schools outside of a couple of key years when there's a lot of
transition or when they open the grades up to taking more kids
(typically 6th or 9th grade). My kids are in private school and
I have noticed that there is a lot of movement after
Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grades and quite a few spots open up in
each grade. Usually this is because families have faced the huge
expense that is private school and they decide to switch to
public. Fee increases hit about this time of year for the coming
year and many families are looking at putting their 2nd or 3rd
child into school and realize that it's just not financially
feasible to stay in private schools. It's my theory that soon
our private schools are going to be populated by mainly single
children as multi-child families simply won't be able to pay the
fees.
So don't be discouraged, there are places available in the
private schools and it's not because there's something wrong with
the school.
Nov 2003
Hi - a general question, while considering switching from
Berkeley Public schools to a private school setting. Are
the possibilities for entering private school just K, and
then 6 (middle school)? Or, have parents had success in
applying in some intermediate grades: 3rd, 4th. If you
were advising someone considering the public - private
switch, would you suggest waiting until 6th grade so
the ''break'' is clean? Or do you think kids can
successfully transition at 3rd or 4th. Any thoughts,
advice, experiences, opinions, etc. on switching from
public to private are welcome! Thanks.
Berkeley parent
In response to the question of when to change schools from public to
private, I don't think it matters much at all. I had one son change at 6th
grade, another at 2nd, seen childen come into the class at 3rd, 4th, 5th
7th, 8th... The real answer is one should put the child in the school
that is appropriate at that moment, and not wait. The only reason to
wait is if one is forced to because the school of choice has no space.
Don't Wait
We moved our daughter from a Berkeley public school to
private school at 3rd grade. She has done great. Some of
it may be the school, Berkeley Montessori, which stresses
non-clique type social interactions so she made friends
very quickly. Also, the change in learning environment was
so welcomed by her that we have had nothing but a positive
experience. We also made sure to maintain one strong
friendship from public school which may have helped in the
transition. Good luck.
Alice
Dec 1999
I am seeking advice about switching my two children to a private
school. They currently attend early grades in a local public school.
I would like to hear from other parents who have tried to do this.
Have you been successful? What did you do? Did you apply when families
typically apply for kindergarten?
We have been very happy with the teaching in our local elementary
school but have grown increasingly frustrated with the behaviors tolerated
outside the class room (especially on the playground), as well as with the
heartbreaking set of problems that interfere with learning on the part
of many of our children's classmates.
While we know of a few cases where families have successfully made the
switch to private schools, the general opinion "out there" seems to be
that if parents don't opt for private schools at the kindergarten
level, its impossible to get into private schools later. We hope that this
isn't true but need to know if this has been the experience of other
parents.
Thanks for any information and/or helpful advice.
From our experience at Windrush School in El Cerrito, children coming
in to the school after kindergarten are welcomed and do not have problems
with the transition. Now is the time to be investigating and applying to
schools, although I don't think they will know about openings until
they get the contracts signed from returning students. There are often a
few openings even in mid-year for various grades at the private schools,
for instance I know there are 2 openings for 2nd grade girls at Windrush.
My experience is that there are a handful of new students each year
coming from either public school or other private schools, and the kids who
have been there welcome the new children (in a small school, new friends
are very exciting). Private schools do experience some turnover, from
people who move, decide they can no longer afford it, decide to give the
public schools a try, decide the school's philosophy is not for them, etc.
I would recommend investigating the schools you are interested in, take
the tours and talk to the administrators, teachers and parents, find out
which schools have openings now, and then apply. If you want more
information on Windrush, feel free to contact me.
We moved our daughter from public to private school this year for
fourth grade, in part for the reasons you described (behavioral, etc.)
and in part because her mind was not being challenged enough in public
school. The range of capabilities among students gets to be enormous (
in public school) by the time they reach fourth grade. There are always
some openings at any school from year to year; Families move,
educational tastes change, etc. We have been extremely happy with the
transition. Our daughter has keenly felt the improvement, right from
the beginning. The climate in the classroom and on the playground is
drastically better, according to her. The level at which she has been
challenged and asked to truly analyze and understand her academic
subjects has been refreshing for her and for us. She actually
appreciates having more homework, which is far more interesting than the
little bit of homework she had last year in third grade at public
school. The enrichment classes (science, music, technology, etc.) are a
plus and she enjoys them a lot; but they were not the reason for the
move. We moved her for the basics nd we are happy with the results.
One caveat, however, is that changing schools for any reason is
difficult in fourth grade. Friends are left behind and although she
still sees friends from the old school, this has been the most difficult
area for her.
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