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January 2007
My boyfriend has always gotten just about whatever he wanted
from me in bed. I have gone above and beyond my comfort level
to engage in very kinky things to please him. He is also very
selfish. It's all about him, and there has been little interest
in my style of sex or my sexual needs. I don't expect
perfection, just compromise, or getting my way some of the
time. I get my way precisely never.
I finally told him that he's very selfish and our sex could be
more fulfilling, and it's a big deal to me that he never makes
the effort to give me orgasms. I've had zero with him, but I'm
capable if he were only interested in doing his part. I also
refuse to fake orgasms, because I deserve to have the real
thing. I told him that we have to grow as a couple.
He is very masculine and his pride is very hurt. He said I
have no tact and I should have sugarcoated it. I disagree
because in his dealings, he is always very direct, despite
hurting my feelings. I also needed him to really hear it and
not just brush this off because I was too nice in my delivery.
I want us to work together to have a mutually satisfying sex
life. I can't live the rest of my life with unsatisfying sex.
It makes me listless and hopeless.
The downside is now he doesn't want any sex at all. He says he
just has no libido right now and I caused it, but he wants a
relationship with me. In the long term, a relationship without
sex is a dealbreaker (even bad sex is better than no sex). Of
course I can be understanding in the short term (obviously,
since I've put up with his self-centered sex so long).
I want to work through this together, but being straighforward
and honest only backfired. I'm not pushing him at all to have
sex with me. I've hoped that he will deal with his
disappointment/feelings of failure and work it out with me, but
he has only retreated. I really need to get laid, and fix this
problem.
He would absolutely not be willing to see a therapist or doctor.
What should I do?
He insists on getting his way and you have given it to him? You
speak your mind, and he is now withholding sex? Sorry, but this
guy sounds like a very self-centered, abusive man. Dump the guy,
find someone who cares about you and communicating, read Dan
Savage, and buy a vibrator. Good Luck.
Jeanne
''I really need to get laid, and fix this problem.''
On the first point, DIY! From the sound of it, self-pleasure
would be an improvement over your current accomodations. To
quote Woody Allen, "Don't knock masturbation - it's sex with
someone I love." More importantly, it's sex with someone who
loves YOU.
And so on the second point, yes, you need to fix this problem.
Not literally--castrating him would only win you a charge of
aggravated battery--but figuratively, by breaking up with this
schmuck, and finding someone who can love you back.
Not to put too fine a point on it...
You don't say how long you've been dating your boyfriend but
regardless he sounds very immature. You communicated your
feelings openingly and honestly and now he's penalizing you by
withholding sex. This says a lot about him as a person and you
should not disregard this warning sign! You say you've had no
orgasms with him-zero-and this is news to him? He must not be
very intuitive since you apparently have not faked an orgasm
either (good for you by the way!). He sounds selfish, clueless,
immature and he's lousy in bed to boot. A good lover, and
loving relationship, is tantamount in order for a couple to
grow. You don't have that and chances are you won't since he
refuses to go to counseling. I'm not sure what you are waiting
for? Hopefully your self esteem is in tact and you have the
courage to walk out the door and stop investing in a dead end
relationship.
Best of luck.
Hello,
I could have written your post. Right now I am taking an
assertiveness training class at Kaiser and am learning how to
assert myself in relationships. I have learned that when you
try to get your needs met some of the existing relationships in
your life may fall away. It sounds like he was attracted to
you b/c you were passive or compliant and did not know how to
get your needs met. Several of us in the class are finding that
long running relationships based on one person getting their
needs met and the other not, are being seriously challenged by
our assertiveness training. It sounds like he can't or won't
meet your needs and you may have to find someone who will. You
could also try taking the class - you don't have to be a Kaiser
member to do it. Good luck!
anon
You didn't really say if you've been trying to communicate your needs to him
everytime you have sex. Could it be that your boyfriend had no idea how you've
been feeling all this time and that what you told him was a shock and a
surprise? By suddenly telling him everything all at once was
probably a little hard for him to process quickly and easily. Give him the time
and space to let the new information sink in. And let him know that you care
about him and that you didn't mean any harm. Don't look at it like he's
depriving you of sex while he is trying to deal with the new information. It
sounds like he needs to find a way to deal with it. Yes you need to be
straightforward, but in the future you need to keep the lines of
communication open and tell him what your needs are while
you are having sex. It is not fair to him or to yourself to withhold you feelings
and give in to his demands endlessly and then suddenly tell him how it has
made you feel in a way that is kind of shocking and even hurtful. He may be
selfish, but you have to help him learn how to be giving. Let him know how
important he is to you and let him know that you can show him what makes
you feel good. If you were having troubles with communicating to him in bed,
was it because you were afraid to ask him to please you? Are you shy in bed?
Were you expecting him to know what to do and you just waited and waited to
see if he would ever try to please you? What ever the reson is, you need to tell
him so that he can better understand where you are coming from and why it
took you so long to finally bring the subject up. Don't try to use the blame
game. It sounds like you both played a roll in this problem. You can't expect
your boyfriend to always know what to do in a relationship. I know it's really
tiring sometimes, but some men are just incredibly dense and need their hand
held and guided with very clear instructions. That's why communicating on a
regular basis is so important. And listening too. You have to learn to listen to
one another. I believe you both can work through this. Give it time. Let him
know how much you love him, talk talk talk, and make it work.
Goodluck
From Venus
Sorry to hear about your predicament. It seems like you have
put up with more than your share, given up too much, and have
gotten little satisfaction in return; that your boyfriend is
too proud to think of himself as lacking in any way, to seek
counseling, discuss things, etc. I disagree that your being
honest 'only backfired,' because it was very necessary for you
to bring it up, despite the current ramifications on your sex
life.
I hope this is not too direct: I think he has serious growth
ahead of him, and there's a possibility that this 'project' may
be too much for you to tackle. My suggestion: start setting and
announcing landmarks/time limits for improvement, beyond which
you may have to part ways. This will either shock him into the
seriousness of your needs or hasten the unravelling of an
undesireable situation. I wish you the best, whatever course
you take.
Oh, one last thing: I hope that you can see and use 'masculine'
(in quotes) when explaining your boyfriend's
obstinacy/selfishness to your needs. Maybe this was how my
gender tended to act more in the past. I think more and more
of us now see that it pays off (and it's lovely) to pay
attention, to learn, and to explore the mysteries of body and
sex.
anon
Move on. This sounds like a no-win situation.
Anon
I strongly recommend you do the HAI (Human Awareness Institute)
workshops on Love, Intimacy, and Sexuality. www.hai.org
They have some wonderful staff members at HAI who are experts
in the area of sex and sexuality. I recommend talking with
Peter Rengel or anyone of their other Workshop Facilitators.
They are amazing people.
I would also recommend checking out The Landmark Forum
www.landmarkeducation.com
best to you both,
David
Leave. That simple. You said yourself he is selfish. What makes
you think he is ever going to be different? how is that going
to work if you have kids? Believe me i have girlfriends in that
situation now and it is way worst as you have to consider
children. Anyone will tell you that while it might be hard to
leave now it will get so much worst and complicated later as
your lives get more entengled. I think you also need to take
some time to think about yourself and why you went beyond your
comfort level with him. Yes we all have a bit but this is not a
good base for a relationship. It sund slike you are afraid to
be without him and that you ar willing to go too far to keep
him...and that means you don't have much of a happy future
tgether.
First off, your boyfriend is right. It's pretty clear to me that
you ''played nice'' (or at least kept quiet) for a long time about
the sex, right up until you got so mad that you presented in a
very hurtful way
Regardless of anything, this is not the way to run a
relationship. You SAID that you said mean things to him. This
is not nice. If you want to break up with the guy, break up with
him. If you want to address sexual issues, do so out of the sack,
in as positive a way as possible. If you do this several times
and he doesn't respond, THEN you zap him. Come on. This stuff is
basic.
But let's talk about you. I have some advice. I am a
multi-generation Californian (Northern) and realized about twenty
years ago that the way that we raise girls around here leaves a
little to be desired. Girls (at least when I was growing up)
were taught that being ''NICE'' was good. Screw honesty. This is
a lovely concept, and works for Some women. For other women, it
makes them bitter, closet drinkers, or just nasty. Do you want
this? Probably not.
I would suggest that you spend a little time getting to know
yourself and noticing all of the times you try to be ''nice,''
especially about stuff that's really bothering you. Then cut it
out. Gradually. If someone's loud chewing bothers you, tell
them nicely that you're highly neurotic and their chewing drives
you nuts. Go ahead and apologize for it if you're being wierd.
What the heck. But get it out. Practice a bit.
If you love this guy, then you need to apologize, cop to the fact
that you let yourself get way too mad, and work harder. If you
are going to marry this guy (and yes, you should think about
marriage. If not now, then you should be practicing for it.),
then you'll have to live with him and yourself forever. Develop
the communication skills now. Learn to talk about your needs and
dislikes with humor, and in a ''here's the problem, let's fix it''
way. This is the type of lesson that many people don't learn
until after their first marriage and after the first five years
of therapy laugh
Be honest. Don't try to be too nice. If you do and let yourself
get too mad, cop to your fault in the matter and apologize.
Lastly, if this guy is really selfish, re-think why you're with
him. I didn't get married until I was 35 and ended up spending
100K in infertility because really, you don't have forever. If
this guy isn't someone you can really partner up with, toss him
and go find someone else who you can. Life is short.
Not Fake Nice - But a Great Person!
Hi there,
What should you do? You should dump this loser, big time. Let me recap: He is
selfish in bed and makes you do things you don't want to do without reciprocating
or considering your pleasures, he is blunt and selfish when communicating his
needs, but petulant and childish when his feelings get hurt, and now he is
witholding the aformentioned crappy sex because you didn't sugar coat the truth
and his machismo got all bent out of shape. Puh-lease! Tell him to take a hike and
go find someone who cares about you, the longer you waste time with this dickhead
the more it will start to seem normal to be treated badly, and then you really will
have a problem. You deserve better, so go get it.
Over your boyfriend, and I don't even know him.
So let's see, he's selfish in bed, so macho he can't see a
therapist or counselor, and ridiculously childish and petulant
in response to your attempts to discuss the problem.
What was so good about this guy again?
Lose him and move on.
anon
''even bad sex is better than no sex'' ? I have to disagree
personally. but that is just me.
I had a boyfriend once who berated me for not sugarcoating my
opinions or insinuating them into his psyche somehow so that he'd
think it was his idea. He was Chinese, I'm white and I told him
(we were living in China at the time) that if that was the way
they do it in his country then he should go out and find a
Chinese woman and that I was not going to manipulate him. Since
then, I have gotten the impression that this is not just a
Chinese thing but a feature of many relationships and many cultures.
you sound like you know what you're willing and not willing to
live with and the same is true for him. That's a good thing. It
can't hurt for you to see a therapist by yourself to figure out
what you want to do about it.
I think people's sex lives are often a litmus for the rest of the
relationship. I get the feeling your BF is hiding behind his
masculine facade so he doesn't have to deal with you of his own
feelings of inadequacy. What if he actually tries to get you off
and fails? that would be a much bigger blow to his inflated ego.
Have you asked yourself why you stay? There are other men out
there who would be more interested in you and your needs.
good luck
Are you a mom? Seriously...
You don't sound like any mom I know. ''In the long term, a
relationship without sex is a dealbreaker...'' Not for any mom I'm
acquainted with.
Seriously, if you are a parent requesting advice about how to get
more sex out of a partner who is unwilling to compromise, you
have bigger issues on your plate than just figuring out a way to
get laid. If there are kids involved, the advice you would
receive, at least from me, would be totally different than what I
would tell a single, childless woman, which frankly, that's who
it sounds like you are from your post.
If a parent, you might consider reposting with essential details
like whether or not he's the father of your child(ren), what
age(s) your children are, is your relationship working (ie is
there compromise in other aspects of your relationship?)
otherwise? In which case I might offer the suggestion of going to
see a therapist on your own for guidence and gaining essential
tools for just such a relationship where more than just you (ie
your child(ren)) would be affected if you should decide to leave
the relationship.
If not a parent, I would say move on, find someone who will make
you happy and is willing to compromise, because that's what
relationships are all about, in the end. Compromise.
ESPECIALLY, if and when you bring kids into the picture.
All that said, if you are the latter and not a parent, I
frankly, don't feel you should be addressing a parents forum for
advice.
anon
You don't say how long you've been with your boyfriend or what
keeps you with him, but if your bf is not willing to get therapy,
it'd be better for both of you to move on and find more
compatible mates. Sorry. Lose him.
Anonymous
What should you do??? DUMP HIM. He sounds like a self-centered,
immature, exploitive, uncaring, manipulative LOSER.
Why would you even consider staying?
--
Outta There
Ummmmm dump him? Sounds like your boyfriend is working overtime to try to control
you and assert power over you via sex. To be direct, as you mentioned in your posting:
if he won't meet you half way on anything, not even seeing a therapist, dismisses your
needs because they weren't ''presented properly'', and accuses you of being solely at
fault for your problems as a couple, where do you think the relationship is going to go?
anon
I'm sorry you're having such a hard time w/ the boyfriend! But, you're right, sex is
really important in a relationship and if it's not working for you, then the relationship
needs work. I'd suggest couples counseling. OUr therapist said: 'couples that talk well,
f*ck well' and she turned out to be right. Maybe you could have used the old 'i love it
when you do _____', although I tried that for years and never got what I wanted. SOme
men are too dense to get the hint (sorry!). But really, if you can't talk about it, it's not
going to get better. Some people are really scared of couples counseling, but it only
helps. GOOD LUCK!
namastesf
I want to work through this together,
but being straighforward
and honest only backfired.
Another way to look at this. If you cannot ask for what you want,
if you cannot communicate what you feel, if he cannot be honest
enough to acknowledge that the two of you have a problem and
be willing to work on it together, what's in this relationship for you?
Maybe it's time to leave.
anon
I want to preface this with an apology for not ''sugar coating'' my
response to your query. Break up with this guy. Do not marry
him, or get pregnant. You will regret it for the rest of your
life. These issues seem to go beyond just sex, and are more
about respect and love, or the lack thereof. After some time has
passed without him you will hopefully have some perspective. It
would probably be helpful for you to do your own personal work
such as therapy to work through what are probably complicated
issues around relationships with men.
anonymous
OK, so your boyfriend is selfish, demanding, unwilling to
compromise, and unwilling to work on issues with you.
Do you think these are elements of a healthy relationship?
What sort of future do you see with him?
Why are you tolerating the inequality and disrespect in this
relationship?
What would you tell a friend who came to you in the same
situation, asking for your advice
Can you give this advice to yourself?
----You Deserve Better----
The boyfriend with lack of libido would be perfect for alot of
women who write to this list about their lost of interest in
Sex;-)
Seriously When your single you should have an awesome sex life,
something that you can look back for the rest of your life and
relish on. The last thing you want is to start off with a poor
sex life and go downhill from there. I suggest you find a new
boyfriend that satisies your sex life over and above. Theres
plenty of Fish in the sea, especially guys that will want to do
this for you. Sex is only going to downhill as your
relationship matures. Whenever you marry and have kids you
will probably be the one with lack of libido and your husband
will be the one complaining.
Thinking of any kind of counselling for your significant other
before marriage is another good reason to get out of a
relationship.
concerned male
I am glad that you like direct. Get out of this relationship.
He is acting like a little boy with hurt feelings and acting out
and trying to blame and punish you for wanting a sexual partner
that is willing to listen and be attentive. It is unlikely that
he will grow up in this lifetime. You can definately find a
partner that will love to love you just as you like it if that is
what you want. Don't ever compromise on being straightforward
and honest. Life is too short for that.
anon
It's easy to assume that a man who's this selfish in one aspect
of his life is the same way in many other parts of his life.
He's not willing to reciprocate, he does not care about what
pleases you, he's hurt when you try to communicate about your
needs... To be totally blunt DUMP THE LOSER! My first serious
relationship was with a man like this and it took me way too long
to end things with him. Once I met my husband, I realized how
good it felt to be treated well and how awful it was to be with
such a selfish man before.
Been there, wouldn't go back!
Your boyfriend sounds both arrogant and terribly selfish. He also
sounds very insecure, and now he's blaming you for his insecurity
and is punishing you for making him feel like a failure in the
sack. It sounds like you were honest and blunt, and I can only
assume that you've brought this issue up in the past and gotten
nowhere with it which is why you threw it in his face so
blatantly this time. But it does seem like a predicament; you've
vocalized your sexual preferences and needs, and he's completely
rejected them and turned it all into how cruel you are for not
shutting up and accepting the status quo -- which really means
you dinged his ego. You've done all kinds of things to/for him
that he likes, but he denies you the same. Now he's not even
gonna try at all and he won't go for counseling...
The one thing that sticks out as a possibility in my mind is that
he is afraid he won't do what you want the right way, that he
doesn't KNOW how to do what you want, and is afraid of feeling
immasculated if the Big O doesn't come storming out of you when
he does try. Poor guy; it's hard to be macho, isn't it?
Well, dear, it sounds like you've done what you can do, pretty
much. You certainly can't force him to have sex with you, but you
can tell him what you've just told all of us: a no sex
relationship is a deal breaker (and by the way, there's no reason
to accept bad sex, either) and that you and he work on this
together, or you're going to have to break it off. Oh, and tell
him that pouting and trying to punish you is simply NOT going to
work. I also don't buy that shit about his libido right now...
no, no, honey... he's punishing you because he feels like a loser.
You could offer to guide him; take a few interesting classes at
Good Vibes (check their website), plan some really erotic
evenings (with his consent) during which you show him exactly
what to do to please you. And try to be compassionate about his
fragile ego. BUT, if he just can't/won't come through for you,
you should probably check yourself out of this relationship and
find a more accommodating man.
--good sex is better than bad sex.
April 2006
Wondering if anyone has advice on how to communicate with spouse
about sex in a constructive, open way. My husband is a wonderful
man whom I love deeply (married 10 years, two young children),
but I don't feel I can talk to him openly about my needs because
he is extremely moody and sensitive, and of course, there's the
problem of male pride that requires extra tact and diplomacy. One
day I got tired of having to be so ''delicate'' and just blurted
out my frustrations, which turned out to be the biggest mistake
in the universe. The main issues are my desire for more love in
making love and less sexual fantasy (involving multiple partners,
which does not appeal to me but I go along with it to make him
happy), and his desire for me to fondle him for a great length of
time in the beginning (which I get bored and tire of, but again,
go along with to make him happy). Any ideas?
anon
Communication can be difficult and especially when the subject is a
sensitive one.
My advice is to- Use ''I'' statements. Tell how you feel. For example-
I feel uncomfortable about... I feel bored ... I like it when you
do... I would like to feel more loved. I like.... I feel loved ....
I feel xyz emotions...
Whatever you do...do NOT make the disquised ''you'' statements that
deceptively look like an ''I'' statement. It is still a ''you''
statement.
These look like this.. I feel that you..., I want you to..., I feel as
if you....
Don't use these!
If you make clear ''I'' statements you are not putting him on the
defensive.
If he starts to feel defensive then remind him that you are telling him
how you feel. Reassure him. Give him encouragement and some positive
feedback.
Communication is a key to better sex.
anon
I would suggest a course my husband and I took from the ''Welcomed
Consensus'' called Common Sexuality. My husband and I learned a heck of
a lot from these folks. www.welcomed.com
Good luck...ask for what you want...and have fun!
Deanna
Well unfortunatly you have trained him he ''CAN BE'' that spoiled and
selfish.. can you imagine having someone who would ''meet your needs''
in bed every time... what a wonderfule life for him I'm sorry but i love
my husband and hs isselfish too in this way but basically after i had
kids i just refused to just pleasure only him...and guess what the baby
is 1 now and he just had an affair.. so it just goes to show if you
don't do it , he will get it somehere else...
sad and scorn
DH
I'm an advocate of the carrot rather than the stick. "I love it when
you do..." (even if he's never done it!) works MUCH better than "I don't
like that or I'm sick to death of that." And do it in the moment, not
afterwards. Coaching works best in the game, not in replay. Also, I
read somewhere that it is a lot better to SAY it rather than moving his
hand, or whatever. Or at least talking while you are re-positioning
him. Give him CONSTANT reassurances about what an incredible turn-on it
is to be with him, and how you are just DYING to try this with him ...
Yes the frustrated ''blurt'' can feel disastrous but at least it's a
place to start. It's hard not to sound angry and frustrated when that's
how you are feeling! I think the key is to start from (and state up
front) the assumption that of course you know your husband (who is a
good guy after all) wants to make you feel good, and you'd like to talk
about or explore that with him. (And you have to be willing to say or
show what you want or need.
Like maybe sometimes it's you that gets the extensive foreplay!) It
sounds like he has fallen into some pretty selfish habits and has
probably been letting himself assume that what turns him on turns you on
too. Now that you've let him know that's not true he feels bad and is
probably acting defensive. Maybe you could suggest shopping together
online or at Good Vibrations for a book or video about sex. Even if you
never end up purchasing one, it is a good way to start a conversation
and feel like this is something you are doing together. There are always
going to be ruts that couples fall into, but hopefully you can move out
of the one you are stuck in at the moment.
wishing you satisfaction
First you need to acknowledge your own part in creating the situation
you're caught in- you're as responsible for it as he is.
I've too pretended that I liked things thinking it was the path to
getting my own needs met & it's never worked- I've learned that sex &
life go better when my actions are honest. Not to say that I don't do
things in bed for my partner's pleasure, only that if I'm doing them in
a way I enjoy & don't feel like I'm just servicing him, it's exciting
for me to feel him respond.
I've explored & experimented, having fun discovering what I like to give
& get, what's an erotic turn-on for me, & I've felt more loving & sexy
than when I did what I thought I was supposed to.
With fellatio I used to do the old 'up & down' until my jaw locked! I've
found that what I really like to do is slowly & sensually explore my
partner's genitals with my mouth & hands, & both of us love it!
I've discovered that asking for simple little things like "would you
run your finger along that tender seam where my thigh meets my hip?" can
open whole new doors.
My boyfriend is prone to feeling blamed (about anything!) & I felt like
I had to be super careful with him. It's taken many times of saying to
him, "we're in this together, I love you, I'm not blaming you, I want to
be open with each other & not walk on eggshells", for him to begin to
get that he can trust me not to attack him or to betray our intimacy.
We all have our pride & sensitivity about out sexual selves.
Years ago, a man I was deeply involved with "blurted out"
something very intimate & negative about me- I was devastated.
All any of us can do in life is to change our own behaviour. I find that
approaching problems as they arise, catching them when they're fresh,
works better than long re-hashings of the past.
Most of the time catching them means catching myself about to do or say
something that's not true to myself. I don't always know what I want to
do instead, but I find that if I just let a new space open up, new
things will happen. It can be scary & there's no guarantee that I'm
going to like what happens, but at least I'm free of the burden of
trying to be someone I'm not.
anon
I'm guessing others will say the same: You deserve to have your likes
and dislikes communicated and respected. If you can't openly say, 'This
is kind of boring,' or, 'I honestly don't enjoy this anymore,' etc., you
are not honoring yourself in my view, and setting yourself up for future
pain. Maybe you can set up a quiet time to talk in a neutral place. If
you are unable to or he reacts strongly to your words, maybe you need a
marriage
counselor. Have courage and don't regret it.
So relieved of my 'male' pride
December 2004
Hello everyone,
We've been trying to get pregnant but i have been having some
strange spotting after we have sex. obviously it's unprotected
so that is the only factor i can see that may be sparking the
spotting i get afterward.
the last 3 times we tried, i would spot lightly (pink/brown
like before a period) for up to a full week after the sex. and
it's happening again - but this time seems more blood/less
pink/brown - still only pantyliners worth. implantation
spotting is supposedly 4-7 days after - and i wasn't pregnant
any of those times so that isn't it.
i went to my NP at kaiser and they did a pap and tested for
STD's and nothing came up, she also did an ultra sound to see
if anything was going on in there.
now i'm frustrated because i feel like if i go back to the doc
they will just chalk it up to another female abnormality they
can't explain.
we had our first child 2 years ago, very little trying...=D
also, the birth was pretty traumatic, they used suction and i
had a 4th degree tear - and i bled for over a month after the
birth - which is well above the normal period as well.
has anyone had a similar experience and found out what it was?
could this be keeping us from getting pregnant?
your help is appreciated!
trying not to worry
My first thought is - could you be too dry up there? You may
need a lubricant to help things. When I was trying to conceive
my second, we used Pre-Seed and it helped a lot. Sometimes it
takes a lot longer to conceive the second baby - it only took 3
months for our first, but about 2 years for our second.
Good luck!
You might want to make sure your doctor tested for human
papillomavirus (HPV), since that sometimes causes a friable
cervix that will bleed easily from an abrasion. Sometimes they
will apply vinegar to the cervix and look for a whitening, which
also indicates an infection. A regular pap smear can't detect the
virus unless there are morphological changes to the cells (called
a dysplasia), and sometimes all they test for regarding STD's are
chlamydia and gonorrhea. Did you get a ThinPrep smear? In that
case, they can do a test for HPV if one hasn't been done yet.
lab worker
This could be completely unrelated to your situation, but hey, you never
know. I recently was spotting for 2 weeks (when i never have before)
and found out i have a Uterine Polyp. it is not detectable by ultrasound,
and i have heard it may block fallopian tubes. the only way to SEE them
is to do a ''Hysteroscopy'', where they go UP with a scope. the polyp is
on a stem and it flops about, hitting your uterine wall, which may cause
spotting.
good luck to you.
June 2004
Okay, I just watched an episode of Sex and the City from the
1st season in which Miranda's seeing a guy who goes and
takes a shower immediately after they have sex. She
basically tells him he's a freak and that sex is not dirty. Now
I'm wondering if I'm a freak because I like to clean up
afterward. I don't need to take a shower, but I don't like to lie
around all sticky, either. My husband can clean up or not,
depending on how tired he is. We are each other's one
and only, so have noone else to compare to. I don't think I'll
change depending on your answers, but I'm kind of curious .
sn
My husband does this too and I think it's a bit anal(not
literally). but I''ve had to let it go and realize he just has a
thing about feeling ''icky''.
I like to linger in the cozyness and warmth of an after-sex
body.He'll do it for a minute or two but then just HAS to get up
and go wash. Whatever!! We all have our ways about us!
anonymous please
I like to wash up after sex, and not doing so can make my vulva itchy. It doesn't
imply anything at all about sex being dirty, it's just a personal preference and
comfort issue. Forget Miranda!
anon
Yes, both my husband and I clean up.
anon
I'm with you--I usually clean up afterwards, too. I see
nothing wrong with it. My husband usually does not.
anon
Almost immediately after sex, my husband goes to the sink in
the bathroom and washes himself. Then he brings me tissues so
I can wipe myself, or I use a washcloth, or jump in the shower
with him. No big deal. I can't sleep with all that sticky wet
stuff between my legs. I don't consider it dirty, just wet and
sticky. Then we hop back into bed and cuddle somemore.
Kathleen
This is why I love condoms.
If we use a condom, no need for a full shower.
If we don't use one, yes please.
JMHO
:-)
Anon
Well, if washing up after sex is deviant, count me in. I don't
know why anyone would want to hang out, sleep or anything with
someone elses bodily fluids all over them. When I first slept
with the man who is now my husband, he was the best lover I had
ever had (still is). The first thing he would do after sex was
get a warm washcloth and wash me himself. Maybe it sounds weird,
but for me it seemed more romantic than cuddling, maybe because
it indicated a concern for my comfort as well as being very
intimate. In any case, one should probably wash one's hands
pretty soon after sex.
Not into sticky goo.
Hi, I wash after sex too but rarely take a whole shower. I also
don't like being sticky, but I don't want to wash away the
mood or my partners good scent (unless I have to go
somewhere right afterwards). I have been with people who
do like to take a full shower and I felt the same as the girl on
tv. Though some people sweat a whole lot and if they have a
lot of body hair it might feel sticky to them too. Whatever
makes you happy goes!!!
anon
Civilized countries have bidets in their bathrooms for this very
purpose! Which turns washing up after sex not into a kind of
furtive inconvenience, but a pleasant, even sexy post-coital
ritual. When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get a bidet in my house.
heidi
I hate sticky, too, and if I don't wash up it turns to mildly
itchy and I don't sleep well. Washing up seems no big deal and
not saying that sex is dirty. Don't worry about it.
me too
This episode cracked me up because years ago my husband and I
would hear our upstairs neighbors having sex (if you live in an
apartment, the muffled, thumping sound is unmistakable) and
then immediately as soon as the thumping noise stopped, the
shower would always turn on.
My interpretation of the issue in the Sex and The City episode
that you are talking about is more that her partner doesn't
stay to allow for some intimate aftertime- not even a minute or
two.
Personally, I don't sleep as well if I feel like I'm ''leaking''
all night, so 9 times out of 10 I eventually get up and go do a
quick wash up.
The last time I had a bladder infection, I read that it is wise
to go pee after sex in order to wash away any bacteria.
However, if you wish to stay in bed, you could always keep a
damp washcloth within reach.
Heather
No, you're not alone. I don't like the mess either. We've never
seen anything unromantic about cleaning up. I just chalked it up
to another way TV sex is unlike real life...
Mmmmm, ahhhh... excuse me
Of course you're not a freak! And I also believe sex is not
dirty -- but it is messy & no one likes to tell you about that
part. I don't know about others, but *most* times, I feel the
need to clean up as well. It's a rare time that I don't. Now,
I also don't have to go as far as taking a shower or even using
a wet washcloth to clean up. I usually just wipe up with toilet
paper and urinate. Especially for women-- cleaning up, and
especially urinating after sex is very good practice. It helps
prevent UTI's & yeast infections.
Frisky & Fresh
Following sex, men aren't left with a fluid-filled receptacle with an unsealable,
downward-facing opening. They can air-dry in seconds. If you want to clean up, do
so. I wouldn't base any behavior on Miranda's!
I use a pad, but maybe I'm just lazy.
I bought a big pack of those thin white hotel washcloths at Costco and we keep a
stack of them in the bedside table. My husband hands me one
afterwards, I do a quick cleanup and just toss it on the floor to pick up
the next morning. Nobody has to get out of bed.
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