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Ear tubes and adenoidectomy for 19-month-old?

July 2007

For the past 8 months, my 19-month-old son has had a perennial (on again, off again) stuffy nose, generally not connected with a cold. He's often so stuffy he can't nurse and breathe at the same time, and he snores a lot. He is speech delayed as well, so he got a hearing test, which he didn't do so well on. Today we saw a pediatric ENT (Dr. Gottschall at Kaiser) who said my son has fluid behind his eardrums, even though he has had no ear infections that we know of. He said my son's adenoids are probably enlarged as well, and recommended ear tubes and an adenoidectomy.

I've looked up past postings about ear tubes, but they all seem to be about children who have had a string of ear infections. I'd love to hear some advice from other parents whose children have had ear fluid in the absence of infections. Did you go with tubes, and if so, were they a good thing? What are the pros and cons? How big a procedure is it and how hard is the recovery from tube insertion and adenoidectomy?

I'd also love to hear about alternative therapies. I feel suspicious that there's an allergic component to my son's stuffy nose, since he was perfectly healthy until about 1 year and then got these problems just as solid foods started playing a larger role in his diet. Should I be trying an elimination approach to try to figure out if he has a food sensitivity? Are there other approaches that could be valuable? I'd like to get his stuffy nose and hearing problems resolved, especially as he's in such a sensitive period for language development, but I'm leery of poking holes in his poor little ears. Thanks!


fluid behind the eardrums can really cause a mild to moderate hearing loss which accounts for your child's speech delays. My daughter had that problem and the tubes helped but by the time we had it done there was already scaring and permanent loss of hearing. If we had Dr. Gotchall, he would have caught the problem earlier. (he has only been at Kaiser for the last year and our prior ENT was terrible) I trust him and he is the only ENT I will let work on my daughter. He is generally conservative with treatment and has given us options and time to decide. Tubes are no big deal and they usually fall out in 6 to 8 months. You need to take care to use earplugs when bathing but other than that it is worth it. Even if allergies cause the problem (and my child has lots of allergies) it doesn't account for the fluid building up behind the ear drums. Some times the eustation tube is not well developed for drainage or the adenoids are too large. You could ask Dr. Hillsinger for a second opinion (he is the heard of the department) But I have checked out Dr. Gotchall's credentials and they are impeccable. juliet
Hi, I am scheduling my 2 year old daugthers ear tube surgery this week. She has had only one ear infection, but is speech delayed so we did a hearing test. Though her speech was within range she flat lined the tympogram. The ENT said often there is fluid (it can be thick) so far back it can't be seen. In talking with the ENT and her speech therapist at length i am totally pro the ear tubes for my daughter. Yes, it's surgery, but a very short one (15mins) with easy recovery with almost no pain afterward. I have talked to parents who said they noticed their child vocalizing more almost immediately after the surgery. I have heard it being compared to hearing like you are underwater before the tubes are in. Sorry i don't know anything about the adenoidectomy, but i feel the more research you do on the ear tubes the less anxious you'll be aobut that part. EAB
My five year old son just went through this procedure in February '07 for the same problem. We put it off for about 1 1/2 years to try other approaches (homeopathy, addressing the allergies, medication). We also got a second opinion and did lots of research. Like your son, my son never had an issue with ear infections. My son's language was never delayed but he was having problems with peer interactions (and following adult's instructions) because he couldn't hear. The only thing I wish we tried prior to surgery is craniosacral therapy which is very gentle and I've heard it may help with this kind of congestion. As stressed and questioning as I was about the procedure, I am SO happy we did it. I too was worried about the recovery but it went extremely well, no pain at all. The only tiny problem was with some drops the surgeon gave us for his ears after the procedure. My son said they were very painful so the surgeon said we could discontinue them. My son can hear perfectly now and his peer interactions have greatly improved. If only he'd listen to ME! I wish you luck and strength! Please email me with any other questions. amanda
Dr Gottschall just put ear tubes into my 11 mos old son. He has had chronic fluid in his ears since birth. We put the ear tubes in to avoid hearing problems and speech delays. My son recovered very quickly. All we had to do was put some ear drops in for the first week after the surgery. My sister's children had ear tubes as well and did well with procedure. I think it is a relatively minor intervention with a big result -your son;s hearing and speech! - Pro-Ear Tubes
I would get an xray for the adenoids--our son was severely congested for 9 months and misdiagnosed and prescribed antibiotics too many times--in the end, we confirmed with two ears nose and throat specialists that it was his adenoids. He had them removed (age 5) out patient and he was overwhelmed that he could finally breath through his nose--if it is adenoids, I would do that first and wait and see on the tubes. Our son recovered in just a few days. Also keep in mind that he may be suffering with sleep issues b/c of the breathing as well. good luck. m
Hi, I had both my adenoids and tonsils taken out when I was a few years older for hearing loss and it was fine if a bit painful. I don't about adenoids getting better, but I know it can be very problematic for children who are just learning to speak to have hearing problems. anon
My then 4 year old had fluid on one side, even when whe did not have a cold. She was not complaining of pain. But her hearing was being impacted by the fluid's continued presence. My friend's child had had permanent hearing loss from prolonged fluid in their ear that was mis-diagnosed. I definitely wanted to avoiid that. Also, earlier in her life when she had more ear infections, I think she began to get a yeast infection form the antibiotics. So for 2 reasons we elected to get her tubes put in, and it worked well for her. It was done at Children's Hospital, with a doctor who does not push ear tube surgeries. It went very quickly. She recovered well. (It still is not fun to have your kid go through it - but we focused on the improtance of her hearing, and our wish to get her off of the antibiotics). So my advice is, if the child's hearing is being impacted, get it taken care of. It may very well be a mixture of things causing the problem. And one of those things may be the physical structure of your particular child's ear. Don't wait for the sometimes long-term allergy analysis to work out, and they don't always. Time is too precious for those rapidly growing ears and brains. Anon Mom
Hi there, My daughter was in a similar situation to your son, though for her it started when she was about 2.5. I think she had maybe two ear infections that winter/spring, but the larger issue was that the fluid behind her eardrums was just not draining. It definitely affected her hearing and thus her ability to follow conversations and interact with others. After trying homeopathy and eliminating dairy to no avail, we went ahead with ear tubes because we felt that the hearing loss, while not permanent, was really affecting her socially (and it would have affected her developmentally if it had gone on for longer). She'd been an early talker and an avid conversationalist, so it was sad to see her missing parts of stories and not understanding teachers and other kids were telling her.

The ear tubes definitely worked -- within days she'd stopped saying ''what?'' every time we told her something. Her teachers at preschool said they noticed a huge difference in how she interacted at school. It was totally worth it.

Then they fell out after just three months, which was really early. She'd had a bad cold and I think the congestion was enough to push them out. The fluid buildup began again and her hearing issues returned almost immediately. At that point her ENT said we should consider the adenoidectomy -- he told us that there wasn't any way to see for sure if her adenoids were enlarged until she was under anesthesia to replace her ear tubes. So we went ahead with the ear tubes and he found her adenoids were huge and went ahead with the adenoidectomy as well.

That was about 3 months ago and so far so good.

If you'd like to know any more about our experience, feel free to email me. Good luck with your decision! Keri


My daughter had a very similar situation. She had fluid in the middle ears which caused her speech delay. She only had one minor ear infection. We saw Dr. Wesman at Oakland Children's Hospital and had ear tubes put in and also had adenoids removed. The recovery was quick and she was back at her preschool the next day or so. Her speech picked up right after she's got the ear tubes. The first set came out after 9 months or so and the fluid started to build up again. We opted for another set of ear tubes. One of them has come out again now, but the fluid is not accumulating this time. She is 4 years old now and her speech has caught up. All is well now and we are happy with the results. anonymous
i'd be leery to!!! i was thinking ''allergies'' as i read your post, and then laughed as i got to the bottom paragraph. i think it's negligent that your ped didn't explore this first, rather than jumping to surgery.

dairy dairy dairy! cut it out for a month. look carefully at ingredients of processed foods, as it hides as casein, whey, etc, soy, wheat and corn are other culprits. if you are nursing, you should eliminate it, too. supplement with vit A cod liver oil and vit C, mineral supplements to boost the immune system. for fats, olive oil and coconut oil are great. give him probiotics.

go to mothering.com, and check out their allergy forum: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=307

good luck! signed: stuffy mama of mama of stuffy girls


Ear tubes for 4-year-old with hearing loss

Oct 2006

Hi, My good friend has a 4 yr old son that has been having inner ear trouble/fluid/ear infections since he was 2. His hearing is so bad that when you speak to him he doesn't hear you. He is starting to lip read. His pediatrician sent him to an audiologist: no movement at all in right ear, very little in left. Ear tubes are recommended. She has heard pro and con for the tubes, but it seems like in his case, it is necessary. Have any of you gone through this, taken your child to a good ENT, successful surgeries, horror stories, etc? thanks for any info rachel


My son had tubes put in his ears when he was 2. There were no complications and they eventually fell out a couple of years later. Ear drums healed fine. Now he is 17 with normal hearing. We had this done in Kaiser. It's apparently a very routine procedure. Best wishes on your decision ProTube Mama
Ear tubes was a great thing for our 4 yr old (who is now 10). We did not want her to lose movement in her eardrum and wanted her to be able to hear 100% - what parent wouldn't? We also didn't want her on repeated doses of antibiotics. For us and our daughter, ear tubes were an easy choice. We had to be brave and get over our own fears of surgery and do the right thing for our child's life long ability to hear other people speak, hear music, hear cars driving towards them, etc. etc. Getting tubes in ears is surgery BUT is truly minor on the spectrum AND it is such a quick procedure that it is over within a few minutes. I encourage you to ask you friend to go talk with an ENT DOc ASAP for the sake of her child's hearing. Sometimes as parents we have to be brave and do scary things. Also 9as the moderator said) ther is a whole bunch of stuff on this in the archieves Grateful Mom of Hearing Child
You'll hear many referrals for Robert Wesman at Children's Hospital, but here's another one. Took my son when he was two and lip-reading, had the tube surgery done. It went beautifully, no problems, and was well worth it. The surgery itself takes 5 minutes, and the child is up and running around by the next day. Hearing at this age is absolutely critical. If the child can't hear properly, have the tubes put in Karen
Ear tubes were recommended for my son about a year ago when he was four. We decided to try other methods--such as try to clear up his allergies which seemed to be the reason for constant congestion and stuffy ears. He's had a little relief from the allergies/hearing loss with the help of homeopathy but it's not a dramatic change. I began to reconsider ear tubes when I recently saw an article regarding research that found that kids that get ear tubes are more likely to suffer hearing loss later in life due to the ear tubes. Go figure. Anyway, I obviously don't have an answer but it's another piece of information for your friend to consider --Huh? What?
I can't imagine why anyone would NOT get ear tubes in this case. Not hearing can have long-term effects on speech, language, and reading development. Of course, my child got ear tubes at 4 years, for chronic ear infections, and we've been pleased. No horror stories. We are Kaiser members, we didn't shop around for a different ENT Heather

Ear sensitivity after having tubes put in

Oct 2006

Our 4 year old son had tubes put in his ears last spring after a string of ear infections. Overall he seems to be doing fine. We used wax plugs for baths for the first month or so and then stopped. He did a lot of swimming over the summer without plugs and we never heard a complaint. Lately, when we are giving him a shower, he screams the moment we get his hair wet, complaining that we have hurt his ears. We are very careful about not spraying water directly in his ears, but he still gets very upset every night. We doubt that his ears are really hurting, but I was wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience with their child, and/or has some good ideas on how to deal with it. I am thinking that I will go back to the ear plugs for shower time just to keep him from screaming! Concerned Mommy


I am surprised that your child's ENT didn't tell you not to get water in his ears until the tubes fell out. swimming and showering and bathing are ways water gets into the ear and causes infections. Your child should see a pediatric ENT to see why it is hurting.
mom of another ear tube child

How long can ear tubes be left in?

Oct 2005

Our 2 1/2 year-old daughter had ear tubes put in both ears a year and a half ago after having 8 ear infections in 6 months. My understanding is that typically, tubes fall out and the ear drum closes up on its own. We have been told that if they don't fall out, they need to be removed after two years. This is a surgical procedure. The risk in not removing them and leaving them in is that when they do eventually fall out, the ear drum would not heal itself and a surgery would need to be done to patch the ear drum.

Does anyone have more information about this? Could anyone share their experience with this matter? It seems to me that we either have a surgical procedure to have them removed with the risk that they would need to be reinserted if she begins chronic ear infections again. Or we leave them in and she may need a the patching surgery at a later time. I'm leaning towards leaving them in. Are there risks to this? I'd love any input people have. Thanks!


My daughter had ear tubes put in when she was 15 months old. One of them finally fell out when she was 4 1/2; the other one didn't. I'd had conversations with her pediatrician from when she was three about removing them -- first we put it off to get through another cold season with them in; then I just wound up busy and didn't deal with it. Shortly after she turned five I got a referral to a pediatric ENT who looked at it, said it was part way out on its own, but kind of stuck (so it wouldn't just fall out). He said we could 1) have him just yank it then and there, which would hurt or 2) set up a time to have her put under for a removal procedure.

I went with 1. He used a long tweezer like thing, it was over in seconds, she cried and then she was fine.

Anyhow, to get back to your question, it's not a big deal to have them in there for a few years, so long as you're checking in with your pediatrician to make sure everything's okay; at least in our case waiting to have them removed meant a much easier removal in the end. I worried over this for the longest time and in the end, it was not a big deal that we waited. Kathy


Gosh, we sort of had the opposite problem. Our son's ear tubes fell out within a few months (they were put in when he was about 2 and a half), and we had to have them redone a year later. So leaving them in might be useful, especially since you mention your child had a lot of trouble with ear infections (ours did too -- he was on a course of antibiotics every few weeks for awhile!). In our case, both parents have ear troubles as well, so our son's inner ear workings are probably genetically inefficient.

However, you don't mention what your ENT recommends (or who he/ she is, for that matter). I would tend to follow this person's advice. Our ENT, Dr. Wesman, is extremely competent, and very conservative when it comes to surgery -- he has been spot on with his recommendations, and I would completely trust him. Karen


Recurring ear infectins - tubes?

Jan 2004

Wondering about peoples current experiences dealing with reoccurring ( 3-4x per year) ear infections in toddlers. Thanks


My daughter had 5 ear infections in her first year and we went to a specialist to discuss tubes shortly after her first birthday. From what we understood from our meeting, the surgery would only give us around a 50% chance of eliminating the ear infections and came with the concern about general anesthesia. We decided to try alternative methods for one year and see if we could minimize infections on our own. With help and suggestions from family and friends, we did the following: switched from cows milk to enriched rice beverage (my daughter is intolerant of soy), made a 'rule' that bottles were to be consumed in a chair, and when she had a cold we: eliminated dairy, put lavendar oil (3-4drops) in her vaporizer, gave alternating doses of pulsatilla 30x and kali bichromic! um 30c, kept her well- hydrated and gave dimetapp elixir at naptime and bedtime. She had 6 or 7 colds in her 2nd year and no ear infections. I'm sorry to say that I can't tell you which of the above suggestions might have been the secret, because with each successful avoidance of infection I became less willing to mess with a good thing, if you know what I mean. Good luck! diana
After a relatively ear infection-free first three years, my daughter began to develop ear infection after ear infection to the degree that her hearing was not coming back up to normal in one ear, but she wasn't in pain. She also began to develop yeast infections as an antibiotic side effect. We began to notice her hearing in one ear was off because at bed time when her good ear was on her pillow, she had to lift her head to hear us speak. Also, in a loud room if we whispered in that ear, she couldn't hear us. Soooooo, we felt we needed to take care of her hearing and that physical intervention (tubes) was safe enough to go for. Also, I, and at least one of my sibs-in-law had them when we were youg, so it wasn't a totally new experience for us. For our daughter, we used an ENT surgeon at children's who had a lot of experience (Wesman) (He has a great audiologist on staff). The hardest part for us was being with her when she went under anaesthetic. But it all went very quickly. We were in the waiting room for a very brief time before we were called in to her. She was cranky as she woke up, but okay soon after. Her hearing has been great ever since. She has had no more yeast infections. She is in elementary school now. My advice in brief?...do what feels best for you, but make s! ure you get your child's hearing checked (by a truly qualified person in a quiet environment) periodically. anonymous

Ear tubes for 2-year-old with hearing impairment?

April 2003

It is looking like we might get ear tubes for my son. He's two, has had multiple ear infections, and currently has some hearing impairment due to fluid in his ears (the auditory nerve is fine), even though he hasn't had an ear infection for months. Although he is talking lots! -- including complete sentences -- his pronunciation is not great, and he very often mishears me, especially when I'm not talking and looking right at him (e.g. I say cook and he hears book). What have been people's good and bad experiences with ear tubes? Were they worth it, or did they create more problems than they solved? Karen


My daughter has a hearing loss due to nerve damage, but on top of that she has had ear infections and fluid build-up in her ears. She has had tubes 2 times now (they fall out within 9-12 months) and both times her hearing has greatly improved. Her vocabulary increased, she understands what I'm saying better, and she speaks clearer.And she has only had one minor ear infection since she got them in January. This last time they put tubes in I was amazed at her progress and she doesn't even really need her hearing aid anymore. I highly recommend getting tubes for your your son, especially since he is at a critical age and he needs his hearing to be at an optimum for learning, and speech and language development.I wasskeptical at first about the need for tubes but I've seen what a difference it makes. Like I said, they fall out after 9-12 months, which is kind of a bummer because then he might have to have another set put in, but to me it's worth it.If you have any more questions, feel free to email me. I do consider myself an expert on this since my daughter has had so many ear problems, and I did too when I was young. Rachelle
My daughter had 11 ear infections in one year. She had ear tubes put in at 20 months of age. To date, she has not had another ear infection (she's 3 1/2 now). For me, the benefit of the tubes far outweighed being off and on antibiotics for a year. I have many other friends who have had only positive results from ear tubes for their children. Good luck with your decision! Patty
For our daughter, the ear tubes were definitely worth it, but that's not to diminish that the ''it'' -- inserting them under general anesthesia -- is pretty scary with a very small child. Our daughter got the tubes at age 13 months, after several months of many ear infections. More importantly, like your son it seems, she constantly had fluid in her ears that did not drain even when her ears were not infected. We did go to an audiologist, who felt that her hearing was affected.

The surgery was really hard on us, her parents; probably not so much on her. Maybe I will sound oversensitive since the actual surgery was very brief. She was not allowed to eat for twelve hours before, and at that age she was still accustomed to nurse during the night. At the hospital in the morning, they put us in a room and the anesthesiologist gave her an oral sedative, which made her very sleepy and smiley. After it took effect, the anesthesiologist took her away wrapped in a blanket. They used gas to put her under, put the tubes in, and brought her out again in under ten minutes. She was already starting to wake up when they brought her out, so I think the anesthesia must have been quite light. However, she had monitors taped to her and a kind of a tube blowing oxygen under her nose, which was scary for me. Actually when they first brought me into the recovery room with her, they had told us that only one parent could come in, but I looked so bad that they went and got my partner. Our daughter perked up really quickly though, drank a bottle of sugar-water that they gave her, and we left in an hour or so. I think we gave her some Tylenol but there was no indication she was in any pain.

The tubes helped our daughter enormously. They did not stop her from getting ear infections, although she got a lot fewer. The main benefit was that her ears could drain. You would not believe what has drained out of our daughter's ears -- sticky yellow mucus, a couple of times blood, and once some stuff that looked like pea soup. The only thing grosser than seeing this stuff come out of the ears is thinking about it building up in there with no way to get out.

Because the ears can drain, the ear infections are really different. The kid starts acting really sick and miserable for a few hours as the pressure builds up, but there's nothing visibly wrong. Then the level of fluid gets high enough to start the draining, the pressure goes away, and the kid is running around again, happy as a clam, with some really disgusting goop coming out of her ears. It is such a relief to see her feel so much better so quickly, but it's kind of comical because she's oblivious to the stuff draining out that to an adult looks horrifying.

We always get the doctor to check the ears out when this happens, and they prescribe antibiotic ear drops. Once the ENT cleaned her ear out with a tiny suction device. One thing I wish we had followed up more on is that before we got the tubes, we were told that one advantage of getting them was the ability to treat ear infections topically rather than with systemic antibiotics. However, with the few ear infections she has gotten, the doctors have usually prescribed both antibiotic ear drops and systemic antibiotics. In retrospect I wonder if this is overkill but at the times we've been too concerned about the obviously yucky state of her ears to question whether the systemic antibiotics are necessary.

One of our daughter's tubes just fell out after being in there about two years; the other is still in as far as we know. She hasn't had an ear infection in at least a year. Back when she was still getting ear infections we stopped taking her in the swimming pool, but she is crazy about swimming now, we've made little effort to keep her ears dry, and she hasn't had any infections. We did not worry about her ears in the bath. There's no indication the tubes have affected her hearing adversely.

So, in sum, I would not do it lightly, but I would definitely do it again in my daughter's situation. In fact, since her ears were more or less blocked up from about 7 to 13 months, in retrospect we probably should have agreed to have it done sooner.

I hope this helps you with your decision. Teresa


My daughter got tubes at age 2 after a year of infections and fluid in her ears. Her speech and intelligibility improved dramatically and quickly.

We had absolutely no problems with the tubes. At her final checkup with the ENT the tubes had fallen out and the ears had healed completely with no scarring.

A couple things to consider first, our ENT told us that prolonged fluid that never drains can cause permanent scarring in the ear tubes. Second, hearing impairment due to fluid can also cause some kids a certain level of social isolation.

The tubes changed all of our lives. Huge fan of our ENT


Ear tubes for 1-year-old with "Severe Otitis"

My son, now one year old, has had fluid behind his ear drums for nearly two months now. We've been to a pediatric ENT (Wesman) who told us he had "Severe Otitis" and recommended antibiotics with possible tubes in the future. Our family doctor is willing to be patient and recommended an acupuncturist (who we are now seeing). My son definitely has some hearing loss, but is gaining a few words, so we feel we can afford to spend the time to wait and see if alternative methods work.
Question #1: if alternative methods are not successful, has anyone had success with antibiotics for this condition? It's not clear to me that an infection is the root of the problem. I'm not eager to have tubes put in, but I've heard so many stories about "multiple rounds of antibiotics" that I'm not eager to go through that if we'll end up getting tubes put inanyway.
Question #2: I'd also be interested in hearing about people's experience with tubes - how big a deal was it to have them put in, are they hard to care for once they are in, and did they make a difference?
Question #3: Has anyone had experience with Dr. Wesman (the pediatric ENT) they care to share? He would probably be the one to do the surgery if its needed.


We found that my son had hearing loss when he was in kindergarten - he had fluid behind the ears due to enlarged tonsils and adenoids. We went to Dr. Wesman who eventually did surgery - adenoidectomy and tonsillectomy. We found Dr Wesman to be very personable, easy to talk to, and forthright. He was great the day of the surgery (as were all the staff there - very caring, parents themselves, most of them, empathetic, etc.) Our story ended happy - our son's hearing was restored. Good luck.
Dr. Wesman put tubes in my daughters ears in August when she was 27 mos old. The operation took 5 minutes, and she recovered from the anesthesia within 2 hours. When these tubes fall out, I will not hesitate to replace them if needed. Being able to hear better made a big difference to her. She became more physically active, more talkative, more social. I suggest that you talk loudly and keep the TV, stereo, radio off while your child's hearing is even slightly impaired. Our daughter with "mild/moderate hearing loss" could understand speech only when there was NO background noise. So, although she could and did learn words, she didn't get the opportunity very often. Good Luck!
My daughter went through the usual rounds of toddler ear infections, which diminished as she got older. Then last spring at age six, she had several rounds of ear infections and developed a severe hearing loss in both ears, which we were slow to recognize because of problems at school. We were referred to Dr. Wesman, who confirmed fliud behind both ear drums, accompanied by a severe hearing loss in both ears, which was not permanent. He could not tell us the cause of the continuing problem, nor did he seem to care. He was definite that the solution was to put tubes in the ears, under a general anesthetic. He also mentioned that sometimes the tubes fall out, and they have to repeat the operation. I was hesitant, partly because of earlier mails on the parents list questioning the efficacy of tubes, but mostly because there is always a small risk of death with a general anesthetic. In my opinion, it takes a lot to justify general anesthetic. Dr. Wesman tried a prescription decongestant, which didn't help. I suggested testing for allergies, which came up negative. In the meantime, she continued to get ear infections, which her family doctor would treat and proclaim cured, only to be followed by another. And the hearing loss persisted. I finally concluded, contrary to my doctor's opinion, that rather than having a series of ear infections, she had a single persistent ear infection that was being declared "cured" by the doctors whenever it subsided down to a certain level, then kept popping up again. I persuaded one of the doctors to put her on a three-month low- intensity regimen of antibiotics. We finished the three months about a month ago, and, according to the normal family-doctor-style hearing test, her hearing in both ears has returned to normal. We'll be following up again with the family doctor in another two months, and I plan to follow up with Dr. Wesman to test her hearing more precisely. I have been very torn throughout this time. My own sister has a permanent hearing loss, and in fact a permanent inner ear infection, stemming from when she was seven or eight years old. So I don't want to avoid treatment if it's necessary. But I had to trust my own judgement over the judgement of the doctors, who had no idea what her problem was, but were nonetheless extremely sure of the solution. Dr. Wesman seems to be extremely competent, following standard medical practices, but was impatient with my desire to explore alternatives. I have since explored some medical databases:
 
http://www.icondata.com/health/pedbase/
http://www.med.jhu.edu/peds/neonatology/poi.html
http://search.info.nih.gov/

I learned the following by reading medical studies:

1. Prescribing decongestants for otitis, as Dr. Wesman did, has been 
shown by research to be ineffective. 
2. The tubes themselves tend to be effective, in statistical terms.
Although Dr. Wesman did not admit to any risks, there are some.
3. Removing tonsils is ineffective.
4. Removing adenoids sometimes helps, but only if the adenoids are 
inflamed.
5. I can no longer find the reference, but I saw a study on treatment 
of otitis using the non-sugar sweetener, xlylitol (sp?). The study 
divided a large group of children with otitis into 4 groups and 
treated them with 1) ordinary syrup, 2) ordinary chewing gum (I don't 
remember if it was sugar-sweetened or not), 3) syrup with xylitol, 
and 4) chewing gum with xylitol, and the study compared the results. 
Both the syrup with xylitol and the chewing gum with xylitol were 
each statistically effective -- that is, they helped in some cases. I 
think maybe as many as 40% of the cases. It also mentioned that 
xylitol was already known to be effective in reducing detal cavities. 
I went looking for gum sweetened with xylitol myself for my daughter, 
but I couldn't find any.

I had tubes in my ears from ages 4 (I think) through about 7 (in the '60's). My recollection is that they were a MAJOR pain for everyone. I remember endless rounds of vaseline and lamb's wool in my ears every time I wanted to go in the family pool. And if I forgot, and put my head underwater, it was a huge deal, as well. I didn't get to learn to swim till I had the tubes out, which was definitely a problem with a pool in the backyard! On the other hand, I also had fewer ear infections after that, so I suppose they helped. And I apparently experienced no hearing loss from any of the infections, nor from the tubes themselves. Notably, I *don't* remember the surgeries, either to put them in or take them out (usually they "grow out" by themselves, but for some reason they did not for me, so I had them in much longer than is common, and then had to have them removed). In addition to antibiotics and tubes, I also had allergy shots till I was about 10 or 12 years old, which did seem to help as well. BTW: to this day I am REALLY twitchy about getting water in my ears! Good luck!
My son had fluid in his ears, hearing loss, etc. At about 18 months he had tubes put in, by Dr. Moyce. It was about as easy as surgery with general anesthesia can be -- definitely a big deal in our family, but not as surgeries go. Unfortunately, both tubes fell out within a couple months. We continued with ear infections, antibiotics, etc. until he was about 2.5, and then had Dr. Wesman put in new ones. These lasted much longer, until those little ear canals grew bigger on their own and the infections stopped happening. Dr. Wesman was fine to deal with throughout. The tubes require no maintenance or special care, except that swimming and other head-immersing activities were off-limits. We had ear checks with the pediatrician, but no more often than we had already been seeing him with all the infections before surgery. The tubes stopped the infections, and made a dramatic, obvious difference in my son's ability to hear.
I recently read in Child (or was it Parent??) magazine about a new procedure using lasers to make a tiny--well I hate to say it, but--a tiny hole in the ear drum to let the fluid drain out, instead of having to put in tubes. The article said the procedure was much easier than the tubes, did not involve general anaesthesia, and did not have to be repeated as tubes sometimes do. Might be something to look into. Also, since you feel you are not in an emergency situation, I would definitely look into homeopathy--I like Christine Ciavarella at Hahnemann Clinic on San Pablo in Albany a lot. It might work, and can't hurt.
I have a boy of the same age with persistent and recurrent ear infections, so your request hit home with me. Why would you want to risk his language development? I am not an authority on tubes, but I know several people whose kids had them with no ill effects (except one had to have them inserted again when they fell out, which is common). Years of speech therapy to correct the delay caused by not hearing certain sounds as language develops at this crucial time will be more costly and potentially more damaging (to self esteem and lost opportunities for your child) than antibiotics and a minor surgical procedure.
I had ear problem after ear problem as a child and wanted to second the person who said you can pierce the eardrum to let the fluid drain. Tubes were horrible as a child for me although maybe they are improved now. I missed out on all water related events. To this day I have a full-blown phobia of getting water in my ears after so many years of "being careful." I would also check into all non-surgical means (I eventually had both my eardrums surgically replaced after years and years of damage from ruptured eardrums and, yes, scarring on the eardrum from the tubes). Try eliminating the fluid through the lengthy antibiotic run or natural means, have you looked into flaxseed oil? I know it sounds strange, but it can help with some ear problems/fluid if you can gag it down. Eventually, I simply grew out of the ear infections (eustacian tube growslarger and the fluid begins to drain). I was about 8 or 9. My hearing was affected when there was fluid, but there was enough time when it wasn;t that my speech development was not affected. Eventually, I'll bet your kid grows out of it. Just my 2 cents.
I heard about the same study detailing the effectiveness of xylitol chewing gum. I found the gum at the health food store -- General Nutrition Center or GNC -- next to the Berkeley Games store at the corner of Shattuck and Center in downtown Berkeley. My 4-year-old son has had a series of ear infections. I encourage him to chew the gum as often as possible. It doesn't taste very good so he spits it out after a while... The gum is called Ford Xtreme Xylitol Gum. 12 pieces cost 99 cents.

Tubes for 2-year-old with fluid in his ears?

April 2002

My 2 year old son has been diagnosed with fluid in his ears as a result of an ear infection. We were told that he needs to get tubes in his ears as soon as possible. Has anyone had any experience with this? While I am open to getting tubes in his ears, I am also looking for information on alternative treatments, such as chiropractic and homeopathic methods. At this point, as soon as possible to the ENT our HMO referred us to means two months away. My little boy seems ok during the day, only pulling on his ears occasionally, but cries at night when he is lying down. Is there anything I can do for this? I gave him a big pillow to lie on so that his head is more vertical, but it doesn't seem to help. emily


Give Garlic mullin ear drops when the nose starts running (to prevent ear infections. If I didn't pay attention and an ear infection crept up unrelated to a cold (i.e. bathwater got into ear), I have treated it with Goldenseal, which I put into the infected ear. It reduced pain and helped the ear drain and cured the infection. However, it won't stop me from taking my daughter to the doctor to get a clear diagnosis of the degree of infection. At the age of 5 she has only had 3 ear infections in her life that I decided to treat with prescribed antibiotics. You can also cut down the risk of ear infection by not serving cold liquids at fridge temperature (I add a dash of hot water or heat drinks up to room temperature when she has a cold). Avoid drafts around the ear when your kid has a cold. Put that hood on, roll that car window up higher or skip the Marina afternoon winds. I read most of this advice in books at the herb store Llasa Karnak in Berkeley. Maybe, a bit inconvenient to follow these things, but it sure works! My daughter only got an ear infection when I slipped following these guidelines. A Mom
If this is his first time with fluid in his ear I wouldn't put tubes in his ears. Last year my daughter had 6 ear infections ( 3 of which were double) in 5 months (Dec- April) and only then did the whole tube thing come up. She also had fluid in her ears most of that time ( all but about 2 weeks of it). We had her hearing tested in April and it was perfect. We had the choice in April on tubes or no tubes and we decided (with guidance from our pediatrician) to wait and see since it was the end of cold season and she didn't have another ear infection until Oct and just now in April. So we feel the worst is over and I am glad we didn't do tubes. With tubes they can not get there ears wet without a lot of caution. there is also a great place to go and ask other moms who have been in this position it is at http://www.parentsplace.com/messageboards/ Then scroll down tothe heading kids health and click on earaches. Good luck Melinda
Concerning having tubes...I would like to respond to a point made in previous advice concerning getting your child's ears wet if they have tubes... My daughter has had tubes in her ears for about one year. Her ENT doc (Wesman) said that she could get her ears wet and could go swimming as long as she does not submerge her head more than 3 feet below the water 's surface. She continued her swimming lessons and baths and showers during the year without additional precautions and she has had no problems from getting her ears wet. mom of kid with tubes
Hi, I went through 8 months of ear infections with my son when he was about 1.5 yrs old. During the last six months he was on constant antibiotics of all sorts, but it never went away. He had also, at that point, never slept through the night without waking. After very reluctantly scheduling ear tube surgery, I was pointed by a chiropractor to the book ''Healing Childhood Ear Infections'' by Schmidt. I was up to that point very leery of alternative treatments. Boy did I make a turnaround! I don't know which of the recommendations fixed my son's problem. But that very first night after beginning treatment (including homeopathic remedy, removal of dairy products, and a particular method of massage), he slept clear through the night. His ear infection cleared up immmediately, never to return. I will be happy to loan you the book if you like, but strongly encourage you to avoid surgery until after you try this alternative. Michelle

3-year-old having tubes put in ears - swimming OK?

After 16 ear infections, tons of antibicodics and a bit of speech delay our 3 year old is about to have tubes put in her ears. Have others dealt with this? We've been told no swimming for the next 6 months to a year and to keep her ears dry while shampooing. O.K. the swimming part I can handle but how about some tips on hair washing? She already doesn't like it so I'm hoping to get to some fun and easy shampooing experiences. CorViele
My daughter got ear tubes when she was 3. The experience was more tramatic for us parents then it was for her. We had it done at Childrens Hospital by a doctor whose name I forget but he's the one who does most of the ear tube work there. He does many of these so they have a very nice procedure for telling your kid what's going to happen ahead of time in a kid friendly way. The actual work didn't take long but they have to put the kids under so they don't move around. It did take an hour or so for my daughter to come out of it. We did have to be careful at bathtime but it wasn't too hard. The tubes did seem to do the trick for stopping ear infections. I've heard all kinds of stories about ear tubes but based on my experience I would give them a try. Jon
My son just got ear tubes put in by Dr. Wesman at Children's Hospital. Wesman allows swimming (going no deeper than 3 feet under) and hair washing without ear plugs. He says he hasn't had any complications from this. You my want to ask your doctor about it. Benson
I remember having my hair washed in the sink when I was a child with tubes in my ears. It's easier to do if you tip the head back into the sink, the way they do at the hairdresser's. The other thing to do, of course, is to pack the ears with vaseline and lamb's wool, but I don't recall that we did that for hairwashing, just for swimming. And the good news is that kids just don't need their hair washed as often as adults. Once a week is plenty for most kids (unless they just put their dinner in their hair or something!). Good luck! Dawn

Worried about getting ear tubes

My friend's son has been recommended to have tubes placed in his ear because of continuous ear infections. Although many children who bottle feed suffer from ear infections, this child's situation is worsen because of his allergies to all antibiotics. Unfortunately, there are not many medications he can take that will not cause any negative side affects. My friend is very concerned about this operation. She has been warned of the possible consequences in having this surgery, and is fearful that her son will have some complications. Can parents whose children have gone through this experience share some thoughts. She has consulted several physicians and they all have recommended the surgery, but she is still not comfortable with the idea.
I've known many kids who had tubes including my nephew and namesake. All did fine. If you are concerned or reluctant, however, you might want to consider homeopathic treatment first.

When considering ear tubes for our older child's chronic infections and hearing impairment, my wife and I were reluctant due to the need for anaesthesia. As a last resort we tried homeopathy at the Hahnemann Clinic -- over, I must say, my own grave doubsts and skepticism about its scientific basis (or lack thereof.) We say Christine, a nurse practitioner. My son was treated with a "constitutional" (you take it once or twice), and then with pulsatilla each time he showed symptoms of an ear infection. I was truly impressed by the results and have recommended homeopathy with a trained professional ever since (though by no means to the exclusion of traditional medicine.) On the first occasion we used the treatment my son's ear pain left after 12 hours, rather than the previous 2 or 3 days when on antibiotics. Each time we used pulsatilla after that, in response to earache/infection symptoms, it worked progressively more quickly, until he would go from screaming pain to fine in about an hour. Whatever you decide, I wish you and your child good health.


For the parents of the child recommended ear surgery: Before you decide to go through with the surgery talk with my homeopathic practitioner Christine Ciavarella in Albany. phone 510 524-3117. She has been treating my family including my three children for the last 9 years and I couldn't be happier about it. My youngest two due to her care have never been on antibiotics in their life, not that Christine wouldn't recommend them if needed. We have only treated one ear infection but I know of children who were tremendously helped with allergies, asthma and saved from ear tubes! Please give it a try. It will take some time and money but it is long term health of a little child that will be improved. Good luck and feel free to contact me for more info. or personal experience with homeopathy.
I have not had experience with ear tubes although my nephew (now 14) had them and was Ok with them. I understand your friend's hesitation and I would want to try other methods first. So here goes. Has your friend tried homeopathy? If she is not interested, I would suggest she confer with a nutrition consultant who knows herbs. S/he can offer suggestions appropriate to your friend's lifestyle. Some suggestions that can make a difference NOW are to have her give her child Lactobacillus acidophilus or Bifidus for one month (add powder to liquid). With all those antibiotics, the healthy flora of the intestine needs to be restored. Remove all mucus-forming foods: milk and wheat are the biggest culprits although any food that provokes an immune response (i.e., an allergic response) can produce mucus. When he has another earache/infection, use mullein oil warmed to 99 degrees F and put 1-2 drops in the affected ear. Otherwise, use a warm compress if that feels good to him. Administer alcohol-free tinctures of echinacea and goldenseal every two hours until symptoms subside and 3 doses/day for one week. One last suggestion, have her contact a Jin Shin Jyutsu practitioner. This type body work can be easily shown (it has been taught to Japanese children) to parents and children. My son has had a few ear aches and they last, at most, 1/2 hour or less using Jin Shin. Plus I use fresh squeezed ginger juice with warmed sesame oil in, and a warm compress on the affected ear.
On advice of our extremely thorough, competent pediatrician we had tubes put in my daughter's ears when she was 12 months old. I've read stories of negative experiences on the parents' line, but we had absolutely no problems. She did get fewer ear infections and the tubes stayed in until she was 3 or 4. We never noticed them come out but the doctor observed that they had. The surgery itself was quick and smooth. It's scary to see you child go under general anesthesia and to see her carried away through a set of metal swinging doors that say "Surgery--Medical Staff Only." Nothing changes that, so you might as well prepare yourself. But the one strong piece of advice I have is, if at all possible get the surgery done at Childrens' Hospital. Our daughter actually had three surgeries in her first 18 months, the other two at a regular hospital. I felt enormously better about our Childrens' experience--had complete confidence that the anesthesiologist knew what he was doing with such a small baby and the place is really set up to let parents be with their kids in a warm, comforting way before and after the surgery.
I would greatly recommend tubes for a childs ears especially if they are having repeated ear infections. My son had tubes in his ears when he was three because all of the antibiotics they put him on were not working. He did great with them and has not had another ear infection since. Of course as parents we tend to worry about the procedure as a whole but lay aside the worry and do it for your child because it will save you and the child from many, many nights of pain and fever and trips to the emergency room.
I am not familiar with the exact procedure you asked about, but I would suggest a consultation with an osteopath or cranial sacral bodyworker to see what is going on physically and address the chronic ear infections though direct physical touch. Cranial sacral therapy has helped my son and many of my friends children to either avoid or heal more quickly from ear infections. As a bodyworker myself, I trust hands-on healing work and have seen how powerful a tool it can be. One of my friends' sons had constant ear infections, lots of antiobiotics, etc. Now after a few treatments, he doesn't get them anymore. It's worth a try. I have recently heard of an osteopath in Berkeley, Catherine Henderson, who works with kids. She's booked for months at a time, but I hear she's good. Good Luck.
My son had chronic ear infections from 8 months until he was 3. We tried everything--chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy, herbs--as well as antibiotics and an intubation operation. The operation was temporarily successful. For the months the tubes were in place, my son had no infections. The rest of the time, the only thing that kept infection at bay was maintenance doses of antibiotics.

One of the first things I asked his pediatrician was whether allergies might be causing this, and she said it was highly unlikely. Eventually, my chiropractor persuaded me to do weekly elimination trials of common food allergens. As soon as we took wheat out of his diet, his constantly runny nose cleared up. We stopped the antibiotics a few days later, and he did not have another ear infection for 18 months, and has had them rarely ever since (and not for at least 6 years now; he's 12). I think he had a mild wheat allergy, and some kind of congenital narrowing of the ear drainage.

It's worth noting that it took his doctor a year or so to acknowledge that the change in diet may have helped. However, when I took a child development class, I read in my text that allergies are the most common cause of chronic ear infections in children.


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